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[Robert99]

One thing I've asked and have not seen an answer to is, does anybody know what the moon was that night? As in, how much ambient light was there?

Georger told us several years ago that the moon was slightly more than half, and gaining. I believe that is called a "gibbous" moon.

I also think there were no clouds above 305. Hence, DBC could see the moon. Marla makes a point of that and says that Uncle LD triangulated Mt. Adams, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Hood to ascertain where he was when he jumped.

Bruce, LD couldn't triangulate anything like that under the existing conditions.  In fact, he couldn't do it on a clear day using a GPS.  Please don't spread that nonsense.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Was this about a suicide or a base jump?

Suicide. A troubled young lad. He did not jump, not hurt himself. Last I heard he was getting help, such as it is.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Bruce, LD couldn't triangulate anything like that under the existing conditions.  In fact, he couldn't do it on a clear day using a GPS.  Please don't spread that nonsense.

I'm not saying that Uncle LD/DB Cooper triangulated anything. Rather, I'm staying that Marla is saying that.

Speaking of Marla.....It'll be fun to sit down with her over beers at V-23 and get the nitty-gritty on her and Curtis Eng.

[Bruce A. Smith]

That consideration takes us to the next question: Who best would ask the pilots to set the wing flaps at one of only a few predetermined settings for a 727? A novice with no understanding of what he is doing, or a pro?

Knowing about the operations of a jetliner doesn’t mean you’re an experienced jumper.

Again, my dear Chaucer, let's reverse your statement: "What does knowing the advanced metrics of flight operations tell us?

What DOESN’T it tell us?

Whether or not he survived.

Are you dodging the question, Chaucer? Tsk, tsk...

[Chaucer]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

[EU]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

In other words, ignore everything DBC said, did and knew because it's all speculation.

Good luck with your investigation.

[Chaucer]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

In other words, ignore everything DBC said, did and knew because it's all speculation.

Good luck with your investigation.

What does this even mean?

[Unsurelock]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

In other words, ignore everything DBC said, did and knew because it's all speculation.

Good luck with your investigation.

What does this even mean?

Eric, your investigation was off-target, and a lot of people said so. You gave it a good crack, and kudos, but how about you don't pile on and tell Chaucer how to investigate? Nobody's gonna solve this anyway.

[Unsurelock]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Getting a recipe doesn't make you a chef.

[EU]

Eric, your investigation was off-target, and a lot of people said so. You gave it a good crack, and kudos, but how about you don't pile on and tell Chaucer how to investigate? Nobody's gonna solve this anyway.

How very odd: "Eric your investigation was off-target." Followed up with, "Don't...tell Chaucer how to investigate."

Especially when you consider that my comments are the polar opposite of what you suggest. Indeed, people investigating and interpreting Cooper's words, actions and knowledge to arrive at suppositions is precisely what I'm advocating.

What I'm hearing from Chaucer and others is, "Cooper could have learned anything from anywhere, therefore, making any assumptions is foolish because they cannot be proved and are...assumptions."

A very odd criticism indeed.

[Chaucer]

You don’t know me very well if you think I’m the type of person to dodge anything.

First, I am dubious that telling the pilots to put the flaps at 15 degrees counts as “advanced metrics of flight operations”.

Assuming that it does, it simply tells us that he had knowledge of “advanced metrics of flight operations”. Any speculation about where he got that knowledge is just that - speculation. He could have guessed. He could have checked out a library book. He could have been a pilot himself. We don’t know.

It doesn’t tell us that he was an experienced jumper, and it doesn’t tell us he survived.

In other words, ignore everything DBC said, did and knew because it's all speculation.

Good luck with your investigation.

What does this even mean?

Eric, your investigation was off-target, and a lot of people said so. You gave it a good crack, and kudos, but how about you don't pile on and tell Chaucer how to investigate? Nobody's gonna solve this anyway.

Let’s be clear. EU wasn’t seriously telling me how to investigate. He was merely being sarcastic and condescending. He’s a real sweetheart.

What I'm hearing from Chaucer and others is, "Cooper could have learned anything from anywhere, therefore, making any assumptions is foolish because they cannot be proved and are...assumptions."

This is not what I am saying at all. My point is that Cooper knowing THIS THING doesn’t mean he’s an expert at THAT THING.

We don’t know how Cooper knew about the 15 degree wing flaps, do we? We don’t know why he chose one parachute over another, do we? We don’t know how he knew the plane could fly with the aftstairs deployed, do we?

No, we do not. So any speculative idea is possible including that he was a total amateur who read a couple books on aviation and skydiving and thought, “Fuck it, can’t be that hard.”

Lastly, EU, you’re the one who has spent the better part of a decade trying to prove Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper without success, so perhaps you’re the one who needs some luck.

Cheers. 

[EU]

Lastly, EU, you’re the one who has spent the better part of a decade trying to prove Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper without success, so perhaps you’re the one who needs some luck.

Cheers. 

Once again, this is not true. I wish some of you would get your facts straight before you go on the offensive.

Concerning Sheridan Peterson: I have never been out to prove he was DB Cooper. To the contrary, I have tried to determine who DB Cooper was and let the chips fall where they may. If you disagree, I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary.

I think Sheridan was likely DBC. That said, unlike suspect peddlers, I actually attempt to determine the truth. The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved. I do not know what the results will be. They will be what they are. Period.

I am of the mindset that DB Cooper was either Sheridan or a complete unknown. This is based upon a lot of research that goes a hell of a lot deeper than: He possessed the skills and resembled one of the myriad DBC sketches.

[georger]

Lastly, EU, you’re the one who has spent the better part of a decade trying to prove Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper without success, so perhaps you’re the one who needs some luck.

Cheers. 

Once again, this is not true. I wish some of you would get your facts straight before you go on the offensive.

Concerning Sheridan Peterson: I have never been out to prove he was DB Cooper. To the contrary, I have tried to determine who DB Cooper was and let the chips fall where they may. If you disagree, I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary.

I think Sheridan was likely DBC. That said, unlike suspect peddlers, I actually attempt to determine the truth. The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved. I do not know what the results will be. They will be what they are. Period.

I am of the mindset that DB Cooper was either Sheridan or a complete unknown. This is based upon a lot of research that goes a hell of a lot deeper than: He possessed the skills and resembled one of the myriad DBC sketches.

When you say: The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved.  What does that mean?

[EU]

Lastly, EU, you’re the one who has spent the better part of a decade trying to prove Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper without success, so perhaps you’re the one who needs some luck.

Cheers. 

Once again, this is not true. I wish some of you would get your facts straight before you go on the offensive.

Concerning Sheridan Peterson: I have never been out to prove he was DB Cooper. To the contrary, I have tried to determine who DB Cooper was and let the chips fall where they may. If you disagree, I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary.

I think Sheridan was likely DBC. That said, unlike suspect peddlers, I actually attempt to determine the truth. The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved. I do not know what the results will be. They will be what they are. Period.

I am of the mindset that DB Cooper was either Sheridan or a complete unknown. This is based upon a lot of research that goes a hell of a lot deeper than: He possessed the skills and resembled one of the myriad DBC sketches.

When you say: The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved.  What does that mean?

All I know is that the FBI apparently thinks they have a partial DNA profile from DBC. Of course, they may be wrong. I wish I knew more about their DNA sample.

That said, I know the FBI has publicly stated that Duane Weber and LD Cooper were not DNA matches. They have stated nothing publicly regarding Sheridan's DNA comparison. Beyond that, I am unaware of any other DNA comparisons that were actually carried out even though I know they considered McCoy and two other un-named suspects.

Therefore, my hope is that the FBI actually delivers the results of Sheridan's DNA comparison given that they have approved my FOIA request that was made with Sheridan's oldest son.

Once the results arrive we will see what they say. If they say it does not match and that Sheridan can be eliminated as a suspect, then I suspect that they're right--of course I'm placing a measure of faith in the veracity of their partial profile.

On the other hand, if they cannot eliminate Sheridan based upon the test, then I think Sheridan is the guy. Simple as that. I'm deferring to science.

[georger]

Lastly, EU, you’re the one who has spent the better part of a decade trying to prove Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper without success, so perhaps you’re the one who needs some luck.

Cheers. 

Once again, this is not true. I wish some of you would get your facts straight before you go on the offensive.

Concerning Sheridan Peterson: I have never been out to prove he was DB Cooper. To the contrary, I have tried to determine who DB Cooper was and let the chips fall where they may. If you disagree, I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary.

I think Sheridan was likely DBC. That said, unlike suspect peddlers, I actually attempt to determine the truth. The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved. I do not know what the results will be. They will be what they are. Period.

I am of the mindset that DB Cooper was either Sheridan or a complete unknown. This is based upon a lot of research that goes a hell of a lot deeper than: He possessed the skills and resembled one of the myriad DBC sketches.

When you say: The latest example being my FOIA request concerning Sheridan's DNA comparison with DBC which has been approved.  What does that mean?

All I know is that the FBI apparently thinks they have a partial DNA profile from DBC. Of course, they may be wrong. I wish I knew more about their DNA sample.

That said, I know the FBI has publicly stated that Duane Weber and LD Cooper were not DNA matches. They have stated nothing publicly regarding Sheridan's DNA comparison. Beyond that, I am unaware of any other DNA comparisons that were actually carried out even though I know they considered McCoy and two other un-named suspects.

Therefore, my hope is that the FBI actually delivers the results of Sheridan's DNA comparison given that they have approved my FOIA request that was made with Sheridan's oldest son.

Once the results arrive we will see what they say. If they say it does not match and that Sheridan can be eliminated as a suspect, then I suspect that they're right--of course I'm placing a measure of faith in the veracity of their partial profile.

On the other hand, if they cannot eliminate Sheridan based upon the test, then I think Sheridan is the guy. Simple as that. I'm deferring to science.

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