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[nmiwrecks]

The bottom line is "The Natural Born Story Teller" will not get a chance to start whining here. he should be writing a book about his dangerous adventures. warning shots fired, bullet fragments in his arm, motorcycle all over the road (no tickets). lost at sea, lost in the woods etc. etc.....Home Of The Whopper 

He has just what he deserves. a forum with nobody on it giving all him the all FREEDOM needed to tell his fantasies which would be to nobody but, himself. 

I'll bet he's already posted something about these recent comments. he told me over and over that he doesn't come here anymore, or the famous "couple times a month BS. just more lies from him.

No thanks....

To me, this website is a place where people can share resources and their opinions.  There seems to be a diverse bunch of personalities here coexist and even help one another.  So the question is, what is the purpose of this website?  Is it a place where we can work together for the eventual solution of this difficult case, or is it an entertainment site where we can watch people argue and flame each other?  DZ seemed to have evolved into the latter before it was shut down.  DZ was dominated by a couple people with suspect based agendas, who would post endless monologues about suspects the FBI, and anybody with half a brain, and a 1/4 cup of common sense, already dismissed years ago.

Progress is being made here (thedbcooperforum).  New suspects are being looked at and new information is being shared.  People's theories are tested and there are some pretty smart people keeping certain personalities in "check".  So would adding Robert or Jo help us move forward, or would this site digress? 

I for one don't need to hear about the world being flat or Rome being the center of the universe again and again.  Just because someone "believes" something and repeats it over and over and over, doesn't make it true.  Kenny Christainsen is not D.B. Cooper.  Duane Webber is not D.B. Cooper.  Most of us here know that as fact.  Watching a couple people trying to fit a round peg in a square hole here would be entertaining for a few hours, then it would turn into a nightmare of endless posts burying and obscuring the progress that has been made here.  Let's look forward, not backward.

[Shutter]

Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise 

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter

[georger]

The bottom line is "The Natural Born Story Teller" will not get a chance to start whining here. he should be writing a book about his dangerous adventures. warning shots fired, bullet fragments in his arm, motorcycle all over the road (no tickets). lost at sea, lost in the woods etc. etc.....Home Of The Whopper 

He has just what he deserves. a forum with nobody on it giving all him the all FREEDOM needed to tell his fantasies which would be to nobody but, himself. 

I'll bet he's already posted something about these recent comments. he told me over and over that he doesn't come here anymore, or the famous "couple times a month BS. just more lies from him.

No thanks....

To me, this website is a place where people can share resources and their opinions.  There seems to be a diverse bunch of personalities here coexist and even help one another.  So the question is, what is the purpose of this website?  Is it a place where we can work together for the eventual solution of this difficult case, or is it an entertainment site where we can watch people argue and flame each other?  DZ seemed to have evolved into the latter before it was shut down.  DZ was dominated by a couple people with suspect based agendas, who would post endless monologues about suspects the FBI, and anybody with half a brain, and a 1/4 cup of common sense, already dismissed years ago.

Progress is being made here (thedbcooperforum).  New suspects are being looked at and new information is being shared.  People's theories are tested and there are some pretty smart people keeping certain personalities in "check".  So would adding Robert or Jo help us move forward, or would this site digress? 

I for one don't need to hear about the world being flat or Rome being the center of the universe again and again.  Just because someone "believes" something and repeats it over and over and over, doesn't make it true.  Kenny Christainsen is not D.B. Cooper.  Duane Webber is not D.B. Cooper.  Most of us here know that as fact.  Watching a couple people trying to fit a round peg in a square hole here would be entertaining for a few hours, then it would turn into a nightmare of endless posts burying and obscuring the progress that has been made here.  Let's look forward, not backward.

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[MarkBennett]

Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise 

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter

Shutter,
I appreciate your efforts.  Sometimes managing a discussion site is a lot like herding cats.

As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

It's not an easy task and I appreciate all that you do to keep this site a positive experience with lots of good information.

[georger]

Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise 

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter

Shutter,
I appreciate your efforts.  Sometimes managing a discussion site is a lot like herding cats.

As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

It's not an easy task and I appreciate all that you do to keep this site a positive experience with lots of good information.

For me it's simple: comes a point where you have to take a stand against BULLIES!

Don't worry. Blevins still has his .45cal pistol and his woods. Jo still has her telephone. They just cant go out for recess any more and beat up everyone else on the playground!     Or spread their lies here.

[Shutter]

As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

Changing your personality is a huge effort. I don't see that happening here. rules are put into place for a reason. he decided to constantly go against them, so he gets what he deserves....nothing! I don't get any pleasure in blocking anyone, it's just part of the job. as I mentioned before, it will do more harm than good.

I took a look at his site and sure enough he is blasting away.....he will never change.

[Shutter]

Just saw this today:

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Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.

Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...

[georger]

Just saw this today:

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Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.

Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...

Christmas cards supposedly sent by the brothers after the escape, could not be authenticated.

Bones from a body washed up after the escape, claimed by LE as probably belonging to one of the brothers, turned out to be not genetically related to the brothers, but somebody else.

A photo of the brothers supposedly in Brazil years after the escape was judged by some forensic analyst as being identical to the facial features of the brothers.

The case is still active in the US Marshall's office.
 

 

 

[Robert99]

Just saw this today:

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Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.

Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...

Christmas cards supposedly sent by the brothers after the escape, could not be authenticated.

Bones from a body washed up after the escape, claimed by LE as probably belonging to one of the brothers, turned out to be not genetically related to the brothers, but somebody else.

A photo of the brothers supposedly in Brazil years after the escape was judged by some forensic analyst as being identical to the facial features of the brothers.

The case is still active in the US Marshall's office.
 

Since Brazil does not have an extradition treaty with the USA, there is no reason for the brothers not to at least privately inform their family that they are alive.  Assuming they are there in the first place.  Personally, I doubt if they survived.

[377]

Spent a lot of time on the waters of SF Bay and outside the Gate too. Really cold water, often 54-56 F. Strong tidal currents too. Can't say if the environment proved fatal but unless they had a good "boat" and an effective way to propel it, the odds were not good.

What about the alleged freighter report of sighting a body in prison garb between the Gate and Pt Reyes? Has that been authenticated? From Wikipedia:

"The FBI said in their report that on July 17, 1962, a Norwegian ship spotted a body floating in the water 20 miles northwest of the Golden Gate Bridge. Although they did not retrieve the body and did not report the sighting until October, they told the police the body was dressed in clothes that prisoners on Alcatraz used, and that the body resembled that of Frank Morris.[10]"

I'm wondering if in his revision Sheridan Peterson will delete the text passage about walking on the banks of the Columbia River in very cold weather in inadequate footwear? Seemed oddly out of place in a novel about Vietnam and had curious parallels to NORJACK from Cooper's perspective. So did making a wilderness jump at the end of the novel over unknown terrain, worrying about AGL altitude. And how about tipping the pilot a twenty? Will all that be deleted? 

377

[Shutter]

It's hard to say about the sighting from the ship. the Marshals are starting to believe the Anglin's might of killed Morris off. they had no use for him once they were off the island.

377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...

Lots of people have made rafts and crossed, but some of them also failed...mythbusters made it..

An inmate supposedly received a post card with a code telling him they made it...."Gone Fishing" Clarence Carnes was the inmate.

was it an over sight they buried some of these files, or was it intensional?

I wonder how much evidence is buried in the files with Cooper? I can see more reason to cover up the escape though..

[Robert99]

377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...

There may have been two bodies spotted.  I have seen a report that a ship departing San Francisco for the Far East spotted a body the day of, or day after, the escape attempt just outside the Golden Gate Bridge.  That ship couldn't afford to stop but reportedly radioed the US Coast Guard the location of the sighting.  However, the Coast Guard did not have a ship available to check out the report. 

[Shutter]

This is a pretty good video. it tells about the buried files. the good stuff is towards the middle of the video..

[377]

It's hard to say about the sighting from the ship. the Marshals are starting to believe the Anglin's might of killed Morris off. they had no use for him once they were off the island.

377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...

Lots of people have made rafts and crossed, but some of them also failed...mythbusters made it..

An inmate supposedly received a post card with a code telling him they made it...."Gone Fishing" Clarence Carnes was the inmate.

was it an over sight they buried some of these files, or was it intensional?

I wonder how much evidence is buried in the files with Cooper? I can see more reason to cover up the escape though..

The ship would DEFINITELY have had a radio. Required by law even then. A really good raft, effective paddles and slack tide would have increased their survival chances by a lot.

You need insulation from the cold water. Even in a floating raft they could become hypothernic because the raft bottom is not insulated. Two guys aren't going to bring SF Bay up to 98.6 F. SF Bay is trying to cool them to 54 F.

54 F isn't quickly fatal, it takes time, but it quickly reduces effectiveness as you become hypothermic and exhausted.

Water Temperature   Exhaustion Time   Death Time
(oF)   (oC)   (hours)   (hours)

70 - 80   21 - 27   3 - 12                  3 - unlimited
60 - 70   16 - 21   2 - 7                          2 - 40
50 - 60   10 - 16   1 - 2                          1 - 6
40 - 50   4 - 10   0.5 - 1                  1 - 3

Was it survivable? Yes. Did they survive? Maybe  Same deal as Cooper.

377

[Shutter]

Much like the Cooper case, it has options..did the raft fail right away, halfway, or did it stay intact. it's hard to say how much the water was an issue on/in the raft. did they off Morris giving plausibility to the sighting of Morris in the water? more sightings have surfaced with the Anglin's than Morris...the Anglin's were good swimmers, including swimming in lake Michigan during the winter..

I use to think they didn't make it, but now I'm not so sure?