Where do I start! Poster distinguishes between ATC (air traffic control) Transcripts vs ARINC radio patch and teletype network transcripts, and any-and-all other possible transcripts that may or may not exist, for the flight path positional information he is seeking.
The unredacted transcript he wants is an unredacted ATC transcript vs. any and all other transcripts. He claims the original unredacted ATC TRANSCRIPT would reveal "position information" which would prove a west path vs the FBI flight path. I believe he is saying 'any and all other transcripts of plane communications' are irrelevant as they would not contain words or numbers relevant to the flight path the plane flew. Or when and where Cooper jumped in the 8:10 to 8:20 period part of which is entirely missing in the published ATC Transcript, and in the NWA Transcript also, provided thru Sluggo by Carr in about 2011.
Poster further states: "Here are some facts. Even in 1971, all radio communications between aircraft and air traffic control were recorded. These recordings were used during investigations of accidents and incidents. The Cooper hijacking was an "incident".
The Seattle Air Traffic Control Center recorded all radio communications it had with the hijacked airliner during the time it was in their airspace. That includes the time frame starting with its departure from Portland a few minutes after 3:00 PM PST until it was handed off to the Oakland Air Traffic Control Center in Northern California at 9:45 PM PST.
Gerald H. Osterkamp, Chief, Seattle Center, had a transcript of those communications prepared and certified that "I hereby certify that the following is a true transcription of the recorded conversation pertaining to the subject incident". Osterkamp had a Xerox copy of his original true transcription prepared and certified on that copy that "I certify that this is a true copy of the original which is on file at this office". It is a partial copy of that copy that made its way into what we have today which has 19 redactions. There is absolutely no way that we have a copy of the original transcription that Osterkamp prepared. It is plainly evident that Osterkamp's original certifications page was prepared on a different typewriter than the redacted transcript that found its way to Sluggo or wherever."
Poster even says he has evidence of different typewriters being used! Poster has never shown the world an example of these different typewriter texts in use, which might help prove his contentions! ?
Back in the day (Dec 29, 2010 to May 2011) at Dropzone we were trying to unravel the flight communications, or plane to ground control communications, options. People were asking if vital flight plan information had been made by 305 with the ground, prior to 305 even leaving Seattle, and would there be transcripts/recordings of those communications we could see today ... for example certifying that 305 announced it was taking V23 south ? Posts were not hostile between posters then, in contrast to today! The Poster posted the following comments Dec 29, 2010:
Robert99
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December 29, 2010
"...Things are vastly different in the Oakland Center transcripts which also include the "phone talk" between controllers as they discuss the aircraft's location, intentions, and flight path. The Oakland transcripts contain all the information that is necessary to figure out what the controllers and flight crew are doing. Where is that information for the Seattle Center?
Robert Nicholson
" It may not exist. As in the conversations never took place.
At least not in flight.
The plane was on the ground at Sea-Tac for some time.
It's entirely possible the necessary conversations took place prior to takeoff on a different frequency than they used for normal ATC comm traffic. Purely a guess on my part, but think about it. The FBI, ATC and the airline could easily have had these discussions over a landline. Also, the options were fairly limited if they were going to follow the instructions Cooper gave. As Sluggo has made clear, V23 was the only real option.Wolf, The air traffic control people have a protocol for handing an aircraft from one enroute controller to another. By its very nature, this is done in flight and they must communicate by phone with each other to accomplish this (any exception to this would be under extraordinary circumstanes). This could not be done prior to takeoff.
The FBI does not have anything to do with air traffic control (except maybe make "requests"). The ATC and airline people could talk to each other by phone. But the only way to communicate with the airliner was by radio.
Note that the Oakland Center transcript includes both the "phone talk" between controllers but also much more detailed conversations with the aircraft. And this is not available in the Seattle Center transcript.
Robert Nicholson
*edit: If "It's entirely possible the necessary conversations took place prior to takeoff on a different frequency than they used for normal ATC comm traffic." then those conversations would not be in any ATC Transcript! WHY would Poster then turn around years later and file an FOIA for ATC documents he has already said in 2010 'may not exist' !?
