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[Robert99]

R99--You're right, I should do that. Hopefully I don't come off as completely nuts.

Let me assure you that you are not nuts.  The LDS History Library in Salt Lake City is the world's leading source for genealogical information.  They have microfilms of just about everything on this planet that is related to genealogy that they can get their hands on.  And they are continually adding to their ENORMOUS collections.  Further, I believe that they have ongoing programs to get the microfilmed data online so that it can be accessed by computers.  These programs probably involve thousands of volunteers both LDS and non-LDS, and you would probably be surprised at the number of non-LDS volunteers that are involved in this.  Genealogical research has many, many, many devoted people involved in it.

I have made at least five visits to the History Library in Salt Lake City in recent years doing my own family genealogical research.   Also, there are Family History Centers located with most LDS churches.  So a good place to start might be for you to check you phone book under LDS churches and see if there is a Family History Center close to you.  You could then pay it a visit and talk to their personnel who could get you started in locating sources that would help your efforts.  It should also be noted that the 1950 US census data will probably be online in another year or two.

I highly recommend the LDS History Library and Family History Centers.  They have always been of immense assistance to me.  For instance, in just checking me out on their computer system, they discovered two additional generations of one of my family lines.  And some of their publications moved that family line back to the 1500s.   

[Robert99]

BTW, I've had a "proposal" to use freely available genealogical records to find people who match the Gunther suspect's background... for years. It would be labor intensive, with a few thousand names to research, but at the end it would be a falsifiable proposal: either someone matches or doesn't.

So far, no takers. I'm about 10% through the list.

Sorry, but you don't need a "proposal" to use freely available genealogical records.  The only time you need a proposal is when you want someone else to fund your program or do the work for you for free.  Or, if you have the money and want someone else to do the work in return for the cash.

To the best of my knowledge, only the work done by MZ in getting the FBI files released and the analysis of Tom Kaye's tie were supported by funding from others.  The rest of us have done our own "self-proposals" and funded those proposals at our own expense.

That includes me.

So why do you put this out for the public to read!?

" Are you trying to scam someone into providing money to pursue one of your fantasies?"

Are you trying to put ideas in the public's mind about me ... on Shutter's forum at Shutter's expense!?

Who is screwing who here!?  On a free forum you don't pay one cent for.

What you printed and posted is scurrilous! Slanderous. But it rolls out of your mind with ease.

In my whole history on Cooper forums I have never said ANYTHING even remotely close to an accusation like this you are pointing in my direction.

One thing is 100% clear. You are having a profound affect here at this forum on everyone, whether they like it or not, whether they approve of it or not, whether you intended to or not, whether you know it or not, and you owe me and everyone who reads your crap an apology.... whether its true or not!

My bet is you dont even care if its true or not. You are just striking a blow to cause alarm and friction, trying to upset me and anyone close to me, ....... and that is all you care about! Truth is not your concern. Its the damage you can inflict at no cost to you!   

Georger, I guess the good news is that you didn't accuse me of being responsible for the Coronavirus outbreak.  Was this just an oversight?

To the best of my knowledge, Shutter has removed exactly ONE of my posts on this site.  And that post was in response to one of your posts which Shutter also removed at the same time.

I will never post anything here that I know to be false.  But when misinformation or disinformation is posted here, I will point out that fact.  As you should know, serious researchers carefully evaluate each others work and criticize it when appropriate.  That is the way the game is played whether you like it or not.

I don't remember knowing that Bruce Smith's world view included believing in UFO's (the little green men from Mars variety).  If that is true, I must say that I disagree with him.  Georger, with your interest in astronomy, do you agree with Bruce on this matter?

[Bruce A. Smith]

Of course I am as interested as EVERYONE to know what Georger thinks about my belief in UFOs, Little Green Men, etc., but perhaps I should state definitively what I believe regarding this subject.

What I know is highly speculative and based upon a very limited set of personal experiences, such as seeing lights in the sky or my abduction experiences of the lucid dream variety. Added to that data pool are readings from generally respected sources, such as Zecharia Sitchin and his writings on the planet Nibiru and their inhabitants, the Nephalim. Add interviews and readings with/on Budd Hopkins and others in the abduction field, such as Dr. John Mack.

My current perspective is this: UFOs come in two varieties.

1. Reverse-engineered aircraft ala the Area 51, Groom Lake, and Art Bell/Coast-to Coast theories, which I believe are involved in the cattle mutilation phenomenon as presented by Linda Moulton Howe, and visited upon the Fazios in 1991.

2. Fancy tin cans from other places, such as Planet X, Alpha Centauri, and any number of the billions and billions of stars out there. I consider these to be "real" UFOs, as opposed to human-built craft from Groom Lake.

Since I've had dozens of abduction experiences that I've recalled in hypnosis, such as it is, and have written and talked about publicly in many venues, I have a more advanced theory on who those folks are than the truth of "UFOs". Further, the beings that I've encountered in my "abduction" experiences may be flying in the so-called real UFOs, or not. The many lights that I've seen zipping across the skies of Cooper Country may or may not be UFOs, reversed-engineered craft of the US Space Force, vehicles of private companies, or tell-tale craft of the guys doing the abductions. I don't know.

What I do believe is that real UFOs and the beings who do abductions are primarily interdimensional beings. I call them "Being from Elsewhere," (BFE) and I consider them to be teachers and guides akin to Jesus, Ramtha, Buddha, Lao-Tze and all the fellows and gals who have been transformative agents in the history of humanity.

Along those lines, Sitchin says the Nephalim genetically manipulated Homo erectus and caused the development of the frontal lobes, allowing modern man to develop - voila, Homo sapiens sapiens started walking and talking these lands about 50,000 years ago. And goodbye to Neanderthals. Sigh.

Bottom Line, for me, is that my abduction-based memories are akin to fairy tales told to me by the BFE - they tell me a truth about myself and the reality of life that is hard to tell any other way.

My current perspective, then, is that I am much more than just a human being. Rather, I consider myself an interdimensional being, one destined for immortality and a remarkable existence.

[Robert99]

Of course I am as interested as EVERYONE to know what Georger thinks about my belief in UFOs, Little Green Men, etc., but perhaps I should state definitively what I believe regarding this subject.

What I know is highly speculative and based upon a very limited set of personal experiences, such as seeing lights in the sky or my abduction experiences of the lucid dream variety. Added to that data pool are readings from generally respected sources, such as Zecharia Sitchin and his writings on the planet Nibiru and their inhabitants, the Nephalim. Add interviews and readings with/on Budd Hopkins and others in the abduction field, such as Dr. John Mack.

My current perspective is this: UFOs come in two varieties.

1. Reverse-engineered aircraft ala the Area 51, Groom Lake, and Art Bell/Coast-to Coast theories, which I believe are involved in the cattle mutilation phenomenon as presented by Linda Moulton Howe, and visited upon the Fazios in 1991.

2. Fancy tin cans from other places, such as Planet X, Alpha Centauri, and any number of the billions and billions of stars out there. I consider these to be "real" UFOs, as opposed to human-built craft from Groom Lake.

Since I've had dozens of abduction experiences that I've recalled in hypnosis, such as it is, and have written and talked about publicly in many venues, I have a more advanced theory on who those folks are than the truth of "UFOs". Further, the beings that I've encountered in my "abduction" experiences may be flying in the so-called real UFOs, or not. The many lights that I've seen zipping across the skies of Cooper Country may or may not be UFOs, reversed-engineered craft of the US Space Force, vehicles of private companies, or tell-tale craft of the guys doing the abductions. I don't know.

What I do believe is that real UFOs and the beings who do abductions are primarily interdimensional beings. I call them "Being from Elsewhere," (BFE) and I consider them to be teachers and guides akin to Jesus, Ramtha, Buddha, Lao-Tze and all the fellows and gals who have been transformative agents in the history of humanity.

Along those lines, Sitchin says the Nephalim genetically manipulated Homo erectus and caused the development of the frontal lobes, allowing modern man to develop - voila, Homo sapiens sapiens started walking and talking these lands about 50,000 years ago. And goodbye to Neanderthals. Sigh.

Bottom Line, for me, is that my abduction-based memories are akin to fairy tales told to me by the BFE - they tell me a truth about myself and the reality of life that is hard to tell any other way.

My current perspective, then, is that I am much more than just a human being. Rather, I consider myself an interdimensional being, one destined for immortality and a remarkable existence.

Bruce, you are free to believe anything that you want to believe.  But I will not be going along with you on your journey through however many dimensions you wish to pass.

The claim that the USA has reversed engineered flying saucers at Area 51 is nonsense.  This claim was made by an individual who had taken a few courses in electrical subjects at a junior college.  Presumably, he was the only one allowed to examine the "flying saucer".  If such a flying saucer existed, there would be so many Albert Einstein caliber scientists studying it that our junior college fellow probably wouldn't be able to get anywhere close to it.

The first claims about flying saucers gained public traction about 1947 when a private pilot claimed to have seen one in Washington state if I remember correctly.  A number of years ago, a TV program made a detailed analysis of the original claim and concluded that things could not have happened the way the private pilot claimed.  So much for mass hysteria.  You can rest assured that whatever you have seen zipping across the skies of Cooper Country was designed, built, and operated by mere mortal beings who put their pants on one leg at a time like everyone else.

With the advent of DNA testing, it has been found that Neanderthals (and a couple of other such beings) did not disappear.  They were simply absorbed into what is now called the human race.  If you don't believe me, take the National Geographic's DNA test and discover your true ancestry.

Bruce, if you really want to do something to clear up a "mystery", here is how you can do it.  Call AeroVironment, Inc., which is located in Simi Valley, California, and tell them confession is good for the soul and it is time for them to come clean and explain what the "Phoenix Lights" really were.  If they hesitate, just tell them that the truth may come out sooner than they expect and they have had their chance to be on top of the revelation.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Okay.

In the meantime, though, what were those Phoenix Lights?

BTW: What are your thoughts on who's doing those cattle mutilations?

[Robert99]

Okay.

In the meantime, though, what were those Phoenix Lights?

BTW: What are your thoughts on who's doing those cattle mutilations?

Goggle AeroVironment, Inc. and check out their aircraft and a customer of theirs in the late 1990s.  Give them a call and if they blow you off, I'll fill in some of the details just from what I have seen on cable TV.

I would not classify cattle mutilations as involving anything supernatural.  Also, I would classify the people who tramp down crop circles in the middle of the night, which apparently is centered mainly in England, as people who have to much free time on their hands.

[377]

Bruce wrote: "My current perspective, then, is that I am much more than just a human being. Rather, I consider myself an interdimensional being, one destined for immortality and a remarkable existence."

My current thinking for my future after death is simply "dust in the wind". I'd like to join Bruce in his interdimensional postmortem future but I just can't make the physics work.

Tom might take a larger sample from my Cooper twenty to do a more extensive diatom investigation. We are negotiating size and location of the cut.

377

[Bruce A. Smith]

Bruce wrote: "My current perspective, then, is that I am much more than just a human being. Rather, I consider myself an interdimensional being, one destined for immortality and a remarkable existence."

My current thinking for my future after death is simply "dust in the wind". I'd like to join Bruce in his interdimensional postmortem future but I just can't make the physics work.

377

Yup, God-Realization and immortality is gonna take a new physics. Hence, the New Physics. I'm writing a book on it - and have been since 2003 - but the folks at the Ramtha School feel I have too much Ramtha in it! Go figure... So there have been delays.... Sigh.

[Bruce A. Smith]

I would not classify cattle mutilations as involving anything supernatural...

Okay. So what would you classify cattle mutilations as?

[Robert99]

I would not classify cattle mutilations as involving anything supernatural...

Okay. So what would you classify cattle mutilations as?

I would classify cattle mutilations as something done by human scumbags who operate in the standard three dimensional world (with time being a fourth dimension).  Have you made that phone call to California yet?

[377]

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In 1979, Sheriff Herb Marshall of Washington County, Arkansas, took a different approach when dealing with a flap of cattle mutilation reports in his jurisdiction. He obtained a fresh cow corpse and put it out in a field in conditions like the ones so-called mutilations were being found in. The corpse was watched for 48 hours straight. No aliens came for the corpse, nor did big predators; instead, the sheriff and his officers observed as a combination of bloating and blowflies went to work. Expanding gases split the stomach and exposed the internal organs; blowflies feasted on the organs and laid eggs in the soft-exposed tissues of eyes, lips, and anuses; and the resulting maggots devoured the soft tissues down to the bone. These flies can hatch in as little as ten hours, and the larvae can mature in as little as two days. The result was a carcass that matched the common mutilation story, all from natural causes. For Sheriff Marshall, that was case-closed on the mutilations in his area.

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In 1979, Sheriff Herb Marshall of Washington County, Arkansas, took a different approach when dealing with a flap of cattle mutilation reports in his jurisdiction. He obtained a fresh cow corpse and put it out in a field in conditions like the ones so-called mutilations were being found in. The corpse was watched for 48 hours straight. No aliens came for the corpse, nor did big predators; instead, the sheriff and his officers observed as a combination of bloating and blowflies went to work. Expanding gases split the stomach and exposed the internal organs; blowflies feasted on the organs and laid eggs in the soft-exposed tissues of eyes, lips, and anuses; and the resulting maggots devoured the soft tissues down to the bone. These flies can hatch in as little as ten hours, and the larvae can mature in as little as two days. The result was a carcass that matched the common mutilation story, all from natural causes. For Sheriff Marshall, that was case-closed on the mutilations in his area.

377

Well, so much for that Chupacabra theory.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Question #1: What is the Chupacabra theory?

Question #2: What is killing the cattle in the first place? Does Sheriff Marshall have any ideas on that? - even if post-mortem the maggots and flies cause the cookie-cutter incisions, drain all the bodily fluids, and leave large sections of the carcasses untouched.

Further, any idea on what killed the Fazios' seven cattle back in 1991? As I recalled Richard Fazio saying, they all looked healthy the day before they died.

Also, the vets from the Oregon State University could not provide any cause of death on the Fazio cattle deaths, as I recall. Nor did they report seeing any evidence of maggots, flies, etc. at that time, yet the work of these critters was already complete by the reckoning that Sheriff Marshall provides.

Your thoughts?

[Bruce A. Smith]

I would classify cattle mutilations as something done by human scumbags who operate in the standard three dimensional world (with time being a fourth dimension).  Have you made that phone call to California yet?

No, I haven't called California, yet. I was hoping you could tell us all what caused the Phoenix Lights instead.

So, you're saying scumbags from our three-dimensional world are doing the mutilations? Any ideas on how and where they got the tech to do it? The vets from Oregon State University said it was pretty sophisticated stuff - and done in the field, at night, and didn't leave any footprints or tire tracks. Pretty slick work, I should say.

They may be scumbags - if for no other reason than leaving their cattle messes for others to clean up afterwards - but they are also highly skilled as well. That makes them dangerous in my view.

Do you think it's a small group of scumbags doing all the mutilations? Or a larger cadre that travels across the country - Oregon, Colorado, Arkansas, etc. - or is localized into regional groups?

[Bruce A. Smith]

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... The result was a carcass that matched the common mutilation story, all from natural causes. For Sheriff Marshall, that was case-closed on the mutilations in his area.

377

That's not my understanding of the "common mutilation story," ie: bloated carcasses, bellies split open by decay and gasses, blowflies and larvae reducing the carcass down to the bone within hours of days.

At the risk of repeating old versions of the cattle mutilation evidence: the common scenario that I am aware of is -

- precise, "cookie-cutter" incisions in a "wwwwww" pattern. Pix from the Fazios show this clearly.

- absence of blood or any bodily fluids in the wounds.

- selected surgical removal of certain body parts, such as sections of a jaw, parts of genitalia, parts of anus, selected sensory organs such as one eye but not both, one ear, etc. Occasional removal of sections of heart or lungs.

- no obvious cause of death, ie: no gun shot wounds, no evidence of electrocution, no evidence of disease

- death is a recent event - only hours before discovery

- the incidents occur at night. Usually involve several cattle but not whole herds

- no human witnesses

- no footprints or tire tracks at scene