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[georger]

Cousin Brucie's Two Cents

I, too, was shown the incorrect "Money Discovery Site" at Tina Bar by Al Fazio in 2011. He was quite specific, "It was down there, just below where that stump is." It was a spot just below the Tina Bar sign that is seen in numerous pix.

But he was off by hundreds of feet, if not yards. I was astonished during the 2016 Expedition Unknown Shoot when Robert99 had us walk about two-hundred feet further north from the Tina Bar sign and gate to reach the discovery site, one he claimed was based on a triangulation of wingdams, local landmarks, and aerial photos.

Now, it appears that Eric has pinpointed the exact spot even more precisely based upon the old jeep trail and a bend in the road. It's a spot a little north of R99's 2016 spot, as I figure.

Nevertheless, it's a long way from where Al Fazio directed me initially, which adds to my concern about many of the things Al has told me about this whole affair, such as what he saw on the beach in the early stages of the FBI dig. Not sure exactly when Al arrived on the scene, but by the time he arrived at his ranch, the FBI was well ensconced in their recovery effort, even posting guards on the Lower River Road. Those agents prevented Al from entering his property until they received an "OK" from their superiors.

Bruce, you need to get your memory fixed.  What you call "R99's 2016 spot" was determined by the GPS coordinates that Tom Kaye gave me based on his determination of where the money was found.  And that spot can also be identified by landmarks including some landmarks on the Oregon side of the river.  And that point is a lot more than 200 feet from the Tina Bar gate.

Can you give a specific location for where Al Fazio told you the money was found?

For the record, the person who found the money was present when Tom Kaye determined the GPS coordinates.  But according to a news report at that time, that individual was unable to locate the area where he found the money.

For God's sake Robert he was eight years old when he found the money and that was decades ago! He told Tom he didnt have the faintest idea where the original site was. Where have you been for the last 10 years to not know this ? Its been posted numerous times.         Get a life.

[georger]

It is worth noting that Tom's site points to two different spots as the money find spot. Neither spot is accurate.

I brought this to Tom's attention a few months back, however, he has not updated his site.

I have no vested interest in one site vs another. All I require is somebody figure it out some way. However, the site was marked with stakes by FBI agents with Harold present. They dug that site. The Fazios were admitted and saw the staked site and the digging at that site. Wherever that was! 

Above Galen refers to a " Palmer 302 provided to me by Curtis Eng." I have no idea what that is and its the first Ive ever heard of this. What is the nature of this 302? Could we see it? Does it have the coordinates of the money find site?

[georger]

How big is the WHOLE Palmer Report? What I hear is that only a few pages have been shared.

Georger, do you have a copy of the Palmer Report?

I have no idea how big the FULL Palmer report is vs some partial version given to Tom. Until Galen brought it up it had never occurred to me. Tom and I have never discussed this. Carr never said anything about this to me. Ask Tom. Galen's time with Eng supersedes Carr even being on the case in Seattle. My impression has always been that Galen had a special relationship with Eng, somehow, but Im not even sure about that. 

[Shutter]

I'll have to look for the photo but it's one you posted years ago that is very telling. then the helicopter video explains it further. it's not where Tom has the location marked...

[Robert99]

It is worth noting that Tom's site points to two different spots as the money find spot. Neither spot is accurate.

I brought this to Tom's attention a few months back, however, he has not updated his site.

FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION

At 3:00 PM PST today (about 30 minutes from now), Expedition Unknown will air a program on the Cooper hijacking.  This program is listed as being first aired in early 2018 so it apparently is not the identical program that was first aired in early 2017.

The program is on the Discovery Channel.

Thanks, R99. I think this is our show.

Bruce, is the Expedition Unknown program on Cooper that aired today the same one that aired in 2018?  I didn't see the 2018 program but today's program is definitely not the same one as the original Cooper program that aired in early 2017.

I didn't see today's broadcast. Was today's Ex Unk episode the one where Josh Gates tandem skydives into the brush outside Reno, with you, me and Meyer Louie starting off the program at the beginning at T-Bar?

It appeared that the Tina Bar segment was shortened and the segment related to the possibility of Cooper jumping at Reno was lengthened.  There was no discussion as to how the money could have gotten from Reno to Tina Bar.  That would have been nice since there are several mountain ranges between those two points.

[EU]

With your permission Shutter, I'll post a link to the Forum on the CooperCon site and feature it in some manner at CooperCon. I'd like to drive some new blood into the site.

[Shutter]

I have no problem with that....you should know that 

[Shutter]

You might want to get in contact with Darren and make a podcast?

[EU]

Very cool. Will do.

By the way, I'm addressing a civic organization in about a week in the Vancouver area that Tom Manning used to belong to. I was told to expect about 120 members in attendance to hear me discuss CooperCon and the Cooper case. This will also serve as a terrific opportunity to get the word out about The Forum.

[EU]

You might want to get in contact with Darren and make a podcast?

He'll be speaking at CooperCon. I believe he'll be recording a podcast as well.

[Shutter]

I was leaning towards promotion purposes....

[EU]

I was leaning towards promotion purposes....

He has one already that he posted about a month ago. He interviewed me about CooperCon.

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[Bruce A. Smith]

Very cool. Will do.

By the way, I'm addressing a civic organization in about a week in the Vancouver area that Tom Manning used to belong to. I was told to expect about 120 members in attendance to hear me discuss CooperCon and the Cooper case. This will also serve as a terrific opportunity to get the word out about The Forum.

Sounds fantastic.

[377]

I’m looking forward to CooperCon 2019. We Vortex people may never solve the case but events like this keep the Cooper legend alive. That’s a VERY important function. If the Cooper legend becomes too obscure somebody who finds important evidence may toss or ignore it because they won’t see the relevance. Bring on the candidates however improbable. Most new candidates generate some press and this keeps the legend alive.

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[Shutter]

IMO, it needs to be recorded so the event can reach out further than the local area where the crime actually occurred. then each year can be viewed by anyone at anytime around the globe. it increases the odds of finding that person who possibly knows something.