To clarify things.....
Flyjack is referring to the calculations used in a PDF about drift factors. he believes it would drift a lot further than the calculations R99 speaks of. nobody has shown any calculations (publicly). the drift distance basically tells that. he's quoted that several times.
I never asked you to post anything about his comments. I simply responded to the comment due to a complaint. I've already mentioned that I'm not siding with anyone.
I have posted several documents surrounding who made the map and references to the Portland area multiple times with people still responding saying nothing has every ever been shown? actual FBI documents and nobody see's them or cares to acknowledge them.
"The crew of the above airline has now spotted a possible area for this suspected departure of the hijacker to be over the lake Merwin, near, Woodland, Washington"
The quote above is troubling trying to move the path away from the Lake Merwin area.
The document below (posted twice) clearly states where the map came from.
Are we now compelled to believe these statements and documents are diversions. the radar operators are wrong, and now the pilots. where does it end?
I'm not debating whether the map was provided by McChord AFB. I'm debating whether it's accurate.
I'm not sure exactly what Shutter is referring to but the take-off time from SEATAC was 7:36PM PST according to Captain Scott and that time was used in all my calculations.
The time that the placard separated from the airliner is not known but could be estimated if the flight path was accurately known. The time of the jump was estimated by the flight crew as being about 8:11 or 8:12PM PST. And at that time, the airliner was in the vicinity of Tina Bar.
The flight crew did NOT know their exact location at the time of the jump and, according to Rataczak, told the people on the ARINC hook-up to "mark your maps". This means that the airliner was NOT on V-23 at the time of the jump but was being vectored by ATC direct from the Malay Intersection to the Canby Intersection and bypassing Portland on the west side.
Lake Merwin doesn't figure into this in any realistic manner. The towns of Woodland and La Center are both WEST of the centerline of V-23. Since it was night time and the airliner was above an overcast and several other layers of clouds, the flight crew would NOT be able to give a jump location based on visual sightings of landmarks on the ground.
Quote: "The flight crew did NOT know their exact location at the time of the jump and, according to Rataczak, told the people on the ARINC hook-up to "mark your maps". This means that the airliner was NOT on V-23 at the time of the jump but was being vectored by ATC direct from the Malay Intersection to the Canby Intersection and bypassing Portland on the west side."
How does Rat merely saying
"mark your maps" lead to your conclusion "
This means that the airliner was NOT on V-23 at the time of the jump but was being vectored by ATC direct from the Malay Intersection to the Canby Intersection and bypassing Portland on the west side." R2 testified 305 was flying within V23 the whole time.
Where is this missing evidence to support your claim that 305 was 'being vectored by ATC direct from the Malay Intersection to the Canby Intersection'. If 305 is actually being vectored (being issued instructions) by ATC as you claim, where is the evidence of that? Who at ATC is issuing this instruction? That would be extremely important information! That information would be as important as God appearing in the cockpit of the plane as a Burning Bush - and nobody reports it? Why would there be no record of it?
One possible answer is: they are concealing that. Who is the 'they' and why are they concealing it?
Are people trying to track Cooper and his actions, or not?
Rat merely saying "mark your maps" does not mean they are lost! Rat's instruction to "mark your maps" could happen even if they knew exactly where they were at. Rat did not say: "We are lost. Mark your maps and tell us where we are!"
If these people are concealing something - why? If they are uncertain where the plane is when Rat tells them to "mark your maps" them maybe they are also tracking the wrong plane ?! Surely somebody at the time has a general idea where the plane is !!!
I mean even you say there is a limit to this uncertainty, and the plane was not over the Washougal. R2 says the only uncertainty possible was in the time of Cooper's bailout, not 305 being on V23.
So it's you vs. R2. R2 was there. You were not!
And even if you are correct and R2 is wrong or lying, that still does not prove that Cooper bailed at Tina Bar.
