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[Shutter]

Georger, I do see your point with some people trying to profit. each case is always a little different. Eric shelled out a lot of money for the conference. Bruce is on hard times at the moment. if the data is wrong then you tell them about as you did in the last post.

I don't know what it's like not to have a lot of things that are basic to me. Bruce needs to stay in touch and has limited resources. that's why I sent him a tablet. that doesn't imply I agree with everything he writes or says. sometimes I email him about errors. I understand you like to keep things factual. I also agree with that, who doesn't? but you always tip the cart trying set the record straight. misinformation goes with just about every topic known.

I don't think this constant bickering gets anyone anywhere. I spoke with Eric on the phone the other day for about an hour talking about the T-bar location. to me that's a hundred more times important than this. it's something everyone needs to understand even those who have been there and claim some couldn't even find it. funny thing is those experts have been going to the wrong location!!!!

[Shutter]

Has anyone read this on The Mountain News....

Forget about Blevins holding a Cooper symposium in 2019. I heard that Anna Stephen’s from Minnow Films in London is going to sue Blevins and Adventure Books for sending her on a wild goose chase over the Ken Christianson story. Turns out that Blevins is so desperate to peddle his fake story that Stephen’s caught him in multiple lies which cost Minnow Films lots of money. Blevins is well known in the Cooper world as one of THE biggest liars. All Ms. Stephen’s had to do was to contact Dave Brown, aka Shutter, to get the truth on Blevins. Anyway, Ms. Stephen’s is being apprised of Blevin’s yarns and the suit should be filed soon. Stay tuned.

I'm not sure any legal action can take place with something like this?

Didn't we all kinda know that it would wind up this way?

I'm not sure of the accuracy of the comment but it wouldn't surprise me that it could be true. Robert makes a fatal error believing that most of these producers give a shit about you.

[Parrotheadvol]

Shutter - I couldn't find that comment on Bruce's site. Was it in the comments section of one of the articles?

[Shutter]

Shutter - I couldn't find that comment on Bruce's site. Was it in the comments section of one of the articles?

I noticed my link disappeared and have to use a reply comment on wordpress to locate the article....Bruce?

[Shutter]

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[georger]

Georger, I do see your point with some people trying to profit. each case is always a little different. Eric shelled out a lot of money for the conference. Bruce is on hard times at the moment. if the data is wrong then you tell them about as you did in the last post.

I don't know what it's like not to have a lot of things that are basic to me. Bruce needs to stay in touch and has limited resources. that's why I sent him a tablet. that doesn't imply I agree with everything he writes or says. sometimes I email him about errors. I understand you like to keep things factual. I also agree with that, who doesn't? but you always tip the cart trying set the record straight. misinformation goes with just about every topic known.

I don't think this constant bickering gets anyone anywhere. I spoke with Eric on the phone the other day for about an hour talking about the T-bar location. to me that's a hundred more times important than this. it's something everyone needs to understand even those who have been there and claim some couldn't even find it. funny thing is those experts have been going to the wrong location!!!!

I basically agree- no point beating dead horses.

If you discount a plant theory, the money is where it's at perhaps because (1) Tina Bar is a natural deposition area due to hydrology, or (2) due to the sediments deposited in that area just to keep any beach in that area viable (in 1950 prior to shoreline building there was no Tina Bar and no Fazio property due to constant erosion, or (3) Cooper landed near to where the money was found (which I rate as unlikely). 

Its interesting to me that Caterpillar Island has existed through 'thick n thin' over the decades while the area just north of Cat Isle comes and goes due to the topological forces active in this area of the river. From that point of view the money at Tina Bar is there only 'because it can be there', which is a bit humorous  imho. 

[Shutter]

I don't believe the money was planted...I believe other reasons why the money was found were it was found. where its actual location is important and far to many people don't understand where the spot actually is. they have went by Tom's location and work. it's so simple to see...

[Bruce A. Smith]

Georger, I think you have missed the point on what I'm pissed about.

It's not about what you think of my writing. I know you don't like my journalism.

What I am pissed about is that you infer that I steal information and make a buck on it. That is simply not true. On this point I am still waiting for an apology.

[Shutter]

Bruce has brought up the point I was making about "making it right"

[georger]

Georger, I think you have missed the point on what I'm pissed about.

It's not about what you think of my writing. I know you don't like my journalism.

What I am pissed about is that you infer that I steal information and make a buck on it. That is simply not true. On this point I am still waiting for an apology.

Can you reed!?

That is not what I said!

Have you read my reply posted above a day ago?

What I said was, quote: "Much of the material Ive been able to read on EU's site is stuff he gleaned from other sites and people including this site. Now he's charging others for it? Smith is likewise guilty. Maybe I will publish my algebra notes from Miss Britch's class and charge $9.99 per page? "

I did not say what you are claiming I said. I did not say: "  you infer that I steal information and make a buck on it. "

I am not responsible for your inability to read English and leap to conclusions.

Go pester someone else with your psycho-babel.   

My point was and is - this started with EU not with Bruce Smith!:

We all have inherited material and discussions from a loot of people over a very long period of time. Many of EU's points about Sheridan have been stated by others many times over the years, notably Sailshaw. There is a "common corpus" of information in the DB Cooper case. After a while arguments tend to be repeated over and over again. Should somebody ask anybody else to pay for that?, Its rather like somebody asking people to pay for the phone book! THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING! I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PEOPLE STEALING, SMITH. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP!

I didnt say Ulis was stealing. I didnt say you were stealing. I said 'there is a common library of knowledge in the Cooper case and should anyone be asking others to pay for that?'

What I said is true. And the question I posed is reasonable.

What if Tom Kaye charged for reading his page? What if the FBI charged for reading its 302's? What if Shutter charged $9.99 a pop for every time somebody comes here? I didnt say one word about people stealing. So stop trying to put words and thoughts in my mouth, Smith! One of my concerns is creeping commercialism into every walk of life. A free internet has been vital to our whole discussion of the DB Cooper case.

Now you apologize?



   

[Bruce A. Smith]

Me thinks a gentleman would simply say, "I'm sorry. It appears that my words were misconstrued, and I apologize for any ill feelings they might have caused."

That is what I am looking for, Georger, not a hostile, relentless rebuttal.

[georger]

Me thinks a gentleman would simply say, "I'm sorry. It appears that my words were misconstrued, and I apologize for any ill feelings they might have caused."

That is what I am looking for, Georger, not a hostile, relentless rebuttal.

So the whole thing has been an example of missunderstanding, misapplication, and ona nd on and on. I apologize also.

But I am still concerned vital DB Cooper info remain free to access and discuss! THAT IS MY CENTRAL POINT AND CONCERN! I think that is a valid concern in terms of being able to have access to the Cooper case material into the future. 

[377]

Georger wrote:  "377 has never gone commercial so far as I know."

That's true Georger, but I have no beef with those who do try to make a profit out of Norjack as long as they are truthful and ethical.

I try to help everyone who is doing serious research on the case even if I think they are misguided as to their choice of suspect.  I loaned parachutes to the History Channel free, they only reimbursed me for shipping. I have spent a lot of time with various Cooper sleuths answering technical questions about the rigs and making a passenger jet jump. Even though I do not agree that Walter Reca was DBC, I have offered to help the Reca folks with technical questions. I have never requested compensation.

EU spent a lot of money on the 2018 Portland CooperCon and made it 100% free for attendees. I don't have a beef with him charging for his report. I know he has given copies away. His balance sheet on Cooper matters has to show a big loss so far.

I am so disappointed that Sheridan killed the book publication that Snow was helping him with. Snow put in considerable effort and expense trying to help Sheridan clean up the manuscript. It was in dire need of editing if it was to have any hope of appealing to mainstream readers (those other than Cooperites). Snow sought nothing in return.

TK and his crew have done a lot of work for free. Their discovery of exotic materials on the tie was very significant and much more useful than speculating on who Cooper might be based on hunches and circumstantial evidence.

We have a good group of people here. No Cooperite is less good in my view just because he or she tries to make a profit.

377

[Robertrand]

Georger wrote:  "377 has never gone commercial so far as I know."

That's true Georger, but I have no beef with those who do try to make a profit out of Norjack as long as they are truthful and ethical.

I try to help everyone who is doing serious research on the case even if I think they are misguided as to their choice of suspect.  I loaned parachutes to the History Channel free, they only reimbursed me for shipping. I have spent a lot of time with various Cooper sleuths answering technical questions about the rigs and making a passenger jet jump. Even though I do not agree that Walter Reca was DBC, I have offered to help the Reca folks with technical questions. I have never requested compensation.

EU spent a lot of money on the 2018 Portland CooperCon and made it 100% free for attendees. I don't have a beef with him charging for his report. I know he has given copies away. His balance sheet on Cooper matters has to show a big loss so far.

I am so disappointed that Sheridan killed the book publication that Snow was helping him with. Snow put in considerable effort and expense trying to help Sheridan clean up the manuscript. It was in dire need of editing if it was to have any hope of appealing to mainstream readers (those other than Cooperites). Snow sought nothing in return.

TK and his crew have done a lot of work for free. Their discovery of exotic materials on the tie was very significant and much more useful than speculating on who Cooper might be based on hunches and circumstantial evidence.

We have a good group of people here. No Cooperite is less good in my view just because he or she tries to make a profit.

377

I couldn't agree more.

[georger]

EU has communicated with me privately and sent an enclosure. I appreciate this. He didnt have to do this. Thanks EU.