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[georger]

I've put the link to the Cooper Vortex podcast up at the Mountain News, along with a few thoughts on how it all came to be, and how refreshing I found the project. Darren will be adding to it in the days to come.

In the meantime, here's a link to the link:

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I agree with the Mayor on this. It would be nice to have an in-depth oral history of the case from several principals that requires little more than closing your eyes and listening to enjoy. Also, the side stories are a nice compliment that are not terribly feasible in a concise written form but work well in a podcast format.

Have any " principals " in the case come forward saying they will participate?

[EU]

I've put the link to the Cooper Vortex podcast up at the Mountain News, along with a few thoughts on how it all came to be, and how refreshing I found the project. Darren will be adding to it in the days to come.

In the meantime, here's a link to the link:

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I agree with the Mayor on this. It would be nice to have an in-depth oral history of the case from several principals that requires little more than closing your eyes and listening to enjoy. Also, the side stories are a nice compliment that are not terribly feasible in a concise written form but work well in a podcast format.

Have any " principals " in the case come forward saying they will participate?

I think Bruce and Bradley are a good start.

Also, it would be nice if we heard an interview with you. The opportunity to get your info down in one area would be a terrific resource.

[georger]

I've put the link to the Cooper Vortex podcast up at the Mountain News, along with a few thoughts on how it all came to be, and how refreshing I found the project. Darren will be adding to it in the days to come.

In the meantime, here's a link to the link:

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I agree with the Mayor on this. It would be nice to have an in-depth oral history of the case from several principals that requires little more than closing your eyes and listening to enjoy. Also, the side stories are a nice compliment that are not terribly feasible in a concise written form but work well in a podcast format.

Have any " principals " in the case come forward saying they will participate?

I think Bruce and Bradley are a good start.

Also, it would be nice if we heard an interview with you. The opportunity to get your info down in one area would be a terrific resource.

That is not going to happen - I am under attack here apparently ........... from somebody who calls himself BULLJAX/FLYJACK.  He appears to be another guy with a suspect agenda. There is nothing I can do about it!

[EU]

I've put the link to the Cooper Vortex podcast up at the Mountain News, along with a few thoughts on how it all came to be, and how refreshing I found the project. Darren will be adding to it in the days to come.

In the meantime, here's a link to the link:

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I agree with the Mayor on this. It would be nice to have an in-depth oral history of the case from several principals that requires little more than closing your eyes and listening to enjoy. Also, the side stories are a nice compliment that are not terribly feasible in a concise written form but work well in a podcast format.

Have any " principals " in the case come forward saying they will participate?

I think Bruce and Bradley are a good start.

Also, it would be nice if we heard an interview with you. The opportunity to get your info down in one area would be a terrific resource.

That is not going to happen - I am under attack here apparently ........... from somebody who calls himself BULLJAX/FLYJACK.  He appears to be another guy with a suspect agenda. There is nothing I can do about it!

Listen, let's put that aside for a moment.

You have a wealth of first-hand information that is of great value. Unfortunately it's scattered over thousands of posts, on two different forums over several years. It would be nice to condense this material into one spot. The podcast or a similar interview makes a lot of sense.

[georger]

I've put the link to the Cooper Vortex podcast up at the Mountain News, along with a few thoughts on how it all came to be, and how refreshing I found the project. Darren will be adding to it in the days to come.

In the meantime, here's a link to the link:

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I agree with the Mayor on this. It would be nice to have an in-depth oral history of the case from several principals that requires little more than closing your eyes and listening to enjoy. Also, the side stories are a nice compliment that are not terribly feasible in a concise written form but work well in a podcast format.

Have any " principals " in the case come forward saying they will participate?

I think Bruce and Bradley are a good start.

Also, it would be nice if we heard an interview with you. The opportunity to get your info down in one area would be a terrific resource.

That is not going to happen - I am under attack here apparently ........... from somebody who calls himself BULLJAX/FLYJACK.  He appears to be another guy with a suspect agenda. There is nothing I can do about it!

Listen, let's put that aside for a moment.

You have a wealth of first-hand information that is of great value. Unfortunately it's scattered over thousands of posts, on two different forums over several years. It would be nice to condense this material into one spot. The podcast or a similar interview makes a lot of sense.

My frank response, and the thing I have been pushing for years, is there needs to be more and better testing in several areas of the case including the Tena Bar money. This is why I joined a Cooper forum clear back in 2007 and before. GG dubbed me "the lab geek".    He was marginally correct but he only touched one small aspect of my life and working experience. But none of that really matters here ...

Im a strong believer in forensic testing/evidence.

What I do think might be of value is a collaboration among people who have studied the Ingram money situation, from a forensic point of view. But, I dont see that happening any time soon, for a variety of reasons.

Kay's testing of the tie particles is a case in point - it was only after Gates financed Tom's stubs being tested by McCrone that a fuller body of data became available and I believe that story is not finished. A similar treatment could be given the money.

[377]

I listened to the podcasts and although I found them pleasantly entertaining, the interviewer didn't really do any journalism here. The questions were all softballs and answers were accepted without critical response.

Listening to Bradley, I found him to be a likable guy and his story sounded pretty good. But when you probe a little bit further he got so many facts wrong in his book that you have to question all of his assertions and memories. Look at my review of his book on Amazon. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I pointed out many factual inaccuracies. The interviewer should've brought some of this up to Bradley during the podcast. Still, Bradley's father does make an interesting suspect. I was always puzzled why he receives so little attention.

Bruce got the same softball treatment. I really like Bruce and he has done a lot of good work. The reason remote viewing hasn't produced any useful information is not because of a CIA conspiracy of silence. It's because remote viewing does not work. The only tests that found positive results could not be repeated by third parties using sound experimental procedures. If remote viewing really worked then people who are good at it would be fabulously wealthy. They could remote view the offices of big company CEOs and get inside information  about upcoming mergers, acquisitions, and financial performance.

You can't opt out of physics. It applies to you regardless of your beliefs. I would love to be able to levitate. Think of how much I could save paying for skydiving airplane rides. I would also like to remote view. I would love for these things to be real, but they are provably not.

When an interviewer doesn't really challenge an interviewee, he serves as a mere microphone holder. Let's up the game in future podcasts. It won't decrease their appeal and it will improve their value.

377

[georger]

I listened to the podcasts and although I found them pleasantly entertaining, the interviewer didn't really do any journalism here. The questions were all softballs and answers were accepted without critical response.

Listening to Bradley, I found him to be a likable guy and his story sounded pretty good. But when you probe a little bit further he got so many facts wrong in his book that you have to question all of his assertions and memories. Look at my review of his book on Amazon. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I pointed out many factual inaccuracies. The interviewer should've brought some of this up to Bradley during the podcast. Still, Bradley's father does make an interesting suspect. I was always puzzled why he receives so little attention.

Bruce got the same softball treatment. I really like Bruce and he has done a lot of good work. The reason remote viewing hasn't produced any useful information is not because of a CIA conspiracy of silence. It's because remote viewing does not work. The only tests that found positive results could not be repeated by third parties using sound experimental procedures. If remote viewing really worked then people who are good at it would be fabulously wealthy. They could remote view the offices of big company CEOs and get inside information  about upcoming mergers, acquisitions, and financial performance.

You can't opt out of physics. It applies to you regardless of your beliefs. I would love to be able to levitate. Think of how much I could save paying for skydiving airplane rides. I would also like to remote view. I would love for these things to be real, but they are provably not.

When an interviewer doesn't really challenge an interviewee, he serves as a mere microphone holder. Let's up the game in future podcasts. It won't decrease their appeal and it will improve their value.

377

well said ...

[Darren]

I listened to the podcasts and although I found them pleasantly entertaining, the interviewer didn't really do any journalism here. The questions were all softballs and answers were accepted without critical response.

That is actually what I'm going for. I'm not a journalist, I'm not trying to solve the case, and I'm not going to be real critical or confrontational with anyone's story. The intent of the show is each episode is a stand-alone account of that person's story or theory on DBC. I am there to hold a microphone and hopefully help them in telling it. Ideally each episode is plausible to the lay-person. I want to present many different stories and theories, and leave it to the listener to decide what to believe.

Thank you for listening to the show, I really appreciate it. I hope you'll continue to listen.

[Shutter]

Good Job Darren, I listened to some of it due to it getting late when it was posted...will catch up over the weekend with it...

 

[Shutter]

I haven't forgotten the recent "disagreements' going on. I've been a little busy with emails the last couple hours and it's already past midnight here...work in the morning..it will be addressed tomorrow...

[Bruce A. Smith]

Georger and 377 have excellent points, and maybe we could have a discussion answering the "tough" questions in contrast to the "softballs" Darren threw.

Nevertheless, Darren's contributions are worthy in my view. He is cataloging the Cooper Lore, and that is both entertaining and valuable.

I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to cut and past a short essay from Darren that he wrote for the Mountain News describing his journey into the Cooper Vortex. However, it won't go. But if you'd like to read it, it's posted in the MN article on the podcast:

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[snowmman]

Bruce, I've found the site doesn't take non-ascii, sometimes non-visible chars you can pick up when you copy paste. I provided the online site to strip non ascii elsewhere. Shutter should be able to get site to handle non-ascii

[Bruce A. Smith]

Okie-dokie.

[georger]

Be careful - red flags and malware warning at Kaye's McCrone spreadsheet page.

Kaye you might want to clean your site up! ?

[snowmman]

georger
are you talking about how windows disables editing of xls files downloaded from the web, unless you enable editing?
That's normal now. They do it because they know that it's safer that way. Doesn't mean there's an issue.

Or are you seeing something else?