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« Reply #495 on: July 29, 2015, 05:36:54 PM »
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What did you think about St. Johns landing, or the wind change?
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« Reply #496 on: July 29, 2015, 05:46:16 PM »
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I am still puzzled by Cossey's lies about chute ownership and his role as an initial supporter of the FBI's certain death jump story. A jet jump from 10,000 ft isn't so tough, especially if you pull off the stairs. Its all about the landing. Cossey knew it wasn't a certain death jump so why did he support the FBI's conflicting theory?


I think it's possible Cossey's arrogant's might of got in the way. I agree, since he was known to hang out with the gambling crowd it opens possibilities for what happened. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the Cooper case. last time I checked while over at Greg's house  8) Detective Blevins will have that case wrapped up as well as he did the Cooper case.

I find it hard to believe Cooper walked all over the place that evening. the area was hot, so walking around at night leaves you wide open for capture. I still don't buy into the bury some money thingy. the only thing I agreed with them on was the jump being closer to the Columbia, but that's something that hasn't been verified.


Jo sends a lot of emails in my direction, and the FBI among others  :o she's still trucking along.
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« Reply #497 on: July 29, 2015, 06:24:44 PM »
I thought the radio piece was well done.  Bruce did a great job and hopefully that will get him a few book sales.  I pretty much agree with shutter's statements.  Gossett's a tough sell.  Don't forget, all that walking would have been done in stocking feet.
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« Reply #498 on: July 29, 2015, 06:31:23 PM »
I don't know enough about Gossett to dismiss him, but I didn't agree with some of the things they were talking about. holding onto the money is odd as well, unless someone could prove he didn't do it for the money...


How does Clyde think Cooper drifted 25-30 miles before landing?
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« Reply #499 on: July 29, 2015, 09:54:22 PM »
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Don't forget, all that walking would have been done in stocking feet.


A straight line to Tina Bar is about 9 miles. that's 18 miles round trip....that's a lot of walking. :o
 

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« Reply #500 on: July 30, 2015, 10:00:06 AM »
377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
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« Reply #501 on: July 30, 2015, 04:01:31 PM »
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377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
Bob Sailshaw

377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job

I learn something new every day. I had no idea you and 377 (and all the others) were there! Must have been crowded in the back of that aeroplane.
 

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« Reply #502 on: July 30, 2015, 10:34:21 PM »
Hi everybody, I'm back. My computer was busted for about a month and now I have a re-conditioned rig that I'm just learning how to operate. I can't even get my emails!  UG.

I'm impressed that so many people listened to the Ground Zero show. Thanks! Even though Clyde pushes Gossett, it's clear that he has learned a lot about Norjak since I met him in Ariel in 2011.

I would have liked to comment on Gossett, but I didn't get the chance. Technically it was tough since I was on a "hold" on the phone line while Galen was in the studio with Clyde so they could banter. 

What I would have asked would be how connected Gossett was to covert ops in  Vietnam. Where did he learned the nitty-gritty about jumping from a 727?  The 727s were used in apparently very secretive covert ops, maybe something like a special SOG-Delta Force team, because the SOG author, Major John Plaster, told me that none of his troops used 727s and he didn't know any outfits that did. So where were the 727s deployed?  And how did Gossett get linked to them???

And thanks, 377, about the details between an NB-8 and the rigs an army trooper would have used.

Also, Clyde needs to confront a truth about Gossett, which is that Clyde told me that Gossett was the biggest bullshit artist he had ever met. If Galen and Clyde are developing profiles of Gossett and DB Cooper and seeing where they overlap, then this dynamic must be included. Additionally, Gossett's five wives is a red flag to me. Did DB Cooper have a bevy of gals? Maybe there's no way to tell, but a guy who has trouble with women doesn't seem to be a skyjacker of Cooper's caliber. My sense is that Cooper is a more stable man - a 45 year-old guy who has a gal that doesn't ask any questions. Like a career army wife.

Nevertheless, I do think it is charming that Clyde has so many overlapping connections to Gossett.

Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.

Lastly, lastly, I didn't get to say that Cossey's gambling buddies were very disappointed that the KCSO didn't investigate any of the bad boys in the Seattle gambling scene. Cossey's friends gave the cops names and places, and they say the cops did diddily-squat, which really pisses them off and leads them to think that a cover-up is in progress.
 

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« Reply #503 on: July 30, 2015, 10:40:39 PM »
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Kinda surprised Jo didn't call in. She lost her audience when Dropzpone shut down the Cooper forum and she was excluded from this site. I still wish she would get probationary privileges here just as an act of kindness. This Duane=Cooper stuff is her life and she is now quite isolated.

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Jo is lonely. She called me last week, as chatty and fishy as ever. We talked Cooper for five minutes and then she switched over to how miserable her life is. I could handle about five minutes of that and then had to bid adieu.

Jerry Thomas called me tonight to say he listened to the radio show, too, and tried to call in but was unable to connect with Ground Zero. He also mentioned that Jo called him about a month ago.  Jerry, btw, is having medical issues - feet problems related to diabetes.  Sounds a bit tough for JT.

JT also told me he is sticking to his guns no matter what on every issue!
 

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« Reply #504 on: July 30, 2015, 10:56:57 PM »
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Hi everybody, I'm back. My computer was busted for about a month and now I have a re-conditioned rig that I'm just learning how to operate. I can't even get my emails!  UG.

I'm impressed that so many people listened to the Ground Zero show. Thanks! Even though Clyde pushes Gossett, it's clear that he has learned a lot about Norjak since I met him in Ariel in 2011.

I would have liked to comment on Gossett, but I didn't get the chance. Technically it was tough since I was on a "hold" on the phone line while Galen was in the studio with Clyde so they could banter. 

What I would have asked would be how connected Gossett was to covert ops in  Vietnam. Where did he learned the nitty-gritty about jumping from a 727?  The 727s were used in apparently very secretive covert ops, maybe something like a special SOG-Delta Force team, because the SOG author, Major John Plaster, told me that none of his troops used 727s and he didn't know any outfits that did. So where were the 727s deployed?  And how did Gossett get linked to them???

And thanks, 377, about the details between an NB-8 and the rigs an army trooper would have used.

Also, Clyde needs to confront a truth about Gossett, which is that Clyde told me that Gossett was the biggest bullshit artist he had ever met. If Galen and Clyde are developing profiles of Gossett and DB Cooper and seeing where they overlap, then this dynamic must be included. Additionally, Gossett's five wives is a red flag to me. Did DB Cooper have a bevy of gals? Maybe there's no way to tell, but a guy who has trouble with women doesn't seem to be a skyjacker of Cooper's caliber. My sense is that Cooper is a more stable man - a 45 year-old guy who has a gal that doesn't ask any questions. Like a career army wife.

Nevertheless, I do think it is charming that Clyde has so many overlapping connections to Gossett.

Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.

Lastly, lastly, I didn't get to say that Cossey's gambling buddies were very disappointed that the KCSO didn't investigate any of the bad boys in the Seattle gambling scene. Cossey's friends gave the cops names and places, and they say the cops did diddily-squat, which really pisses them off and leads them to think that a cover-up is in progress.

Bruce, exactly how many wives did you have?  3? 
 

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« Reply #505 on: July 30, 2015, 11:03:52 PM »
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....
 

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« Reply #506 on: July 31, 2015, 01:07:30 AM »
Robert Nine-Nine, I have had three wives. Yes. By my reckoning that rules me out as an innovative and bold skyjacker since I'm more, um, restless...
 

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« Reply #507 on: July 31, 2015, 01:08:41 AM »
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....

Clyde is simply intoxicated with Gossett and makes the claims of a drunken man. We'll set him straight at Ariel.
 

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« Reply #508 on: July 31, 2015, 09:39:13 AM »
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....

Clyde is simply intoxicated with Gossett and makes the claims of a drunken man. We'll set him straight at Ariel.
It sounded to me like Clyde has a certain audience with a certain belief system and he was pandering to them.  It makes for great radio to say, "I know who D.B.Cooper was, he was a buddy of mine".  Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!
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« Reply #509 on: July 31, 2015, 09:53:07 AM »
Updated information for the new website.  Let me know if you have anything to add or correct:

Name              Age   Height   Weight   Hair color   Eye color
               
Dan Cooper Suspect   45   6'   180   Black   Brown
               
Don Burnworth               
Ted Braden               
Ken Christiansen   45   5'7"   150   Brown   Hazel
Jack Coffelt               
L.D. Cooper               
Bobby Dayton               
William Gosset           41   5'10"   186      Brown
Ted Mayfield                 
Richard Floyd McCoy   29            
Sheridan Peterson   46   6'1"   180   Black   Blue
Duane Weber               
               
               
Robert Richard Lepsy   35   6'   180   Black   Brown
Melvin Wilson           44   6'   185   Brown   Blue
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