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« Reply #4755 on: April 10, 2018, 12:22:30 AM »
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These agents reminded me that up to the time NWA released an event-based (pressure event) search map, the whole flight path was under examination and searches were being conducted by all kinds of personnel from the area north of Portland clear down to Reno itself. The area around Eugene Oregon was being given special attention, and there were reasons for that (as we have commented before). FOIA files support that view (see attached).

After the release of the NWA search map based on a specific pressure event at ~8:10-11 pm, searches south into Oregon fell off, unless a specific tip had been reported warranting a specific search in a specific area. It is possible that Mr. Bland is recalling news of one of those searches but I cannot find any FBI file that documents any specific search in Oregon which involved 'muddy tracks leading to a vehicle'. There should be documentation of such a search if it happened.

Georger, if you know...what was the approx time-frame until the release of the NWA pressure event search map?  Hours or days?

Ok that was quick. My files are pretty well organised for retrieval.

The first notice of an NWA search/flight path map was on 12/671 and 6:06 PM PST. Other offices were notified immediately. The NWA fax included copies of the map. The map sent was large! Easily 30-150mb in today terms. I have reduced these docs to fit on this page -

 

Map which accompanied the first NWA release 12/4/71
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #4756 on: April 10, 2018, 12:23:58 AM »
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While Im here Dave: do you have a link to the latest FOIA release, on Colbert's site or somewhere else?

are you talking about the McCoy files...if so I don't think he posted them....I have the files...if it's his link to all of his uploaded files,I can post that?

No the newest latest FBI FOIA Colbert files you mentioned several days ago ...
 

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« Reply #4757 on: April 10, 2018, 12:28:01 AM »
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While Im here Dave: do you have a link to the latest FOIA release, on Colbert's site or somewhere else?

are you talking about the McCoy files...if so I don't think he posted them....I have the files...if it's his link to all of his uploaded files,I can post that?

No the newest latest FBI FOIA Colbert files you mentioned several days ago ...


Those are 3 PDF files discussing McCoy..
 

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« Reply #4758 on: April 10, 2018, 01:22:20 AM »
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While Im here Dave: do you have a link to the latest FOIA release, on Colbert's site or somewhere else?

are you talking about the McCoy files...if so I don't think he posted them....I have the files...if it's his link to all of his uploaded files,I can post that?

No the newest latest FBI FOIA Colbert files you mentioned several days ago ...


Those are 3 PDF files discussing McCoy..

ok hmmm I guess I saw that - only on McCoy? Well are they on Colbert's site or on the FBI site? 
 

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« Reply #4759 on: April 10, 2018, 01:36:45 AM »
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ok hmmm I guess I saw that - only on McCoy? Well are they on Colbert's site or on the FBI site?

I'll check but Colbert hasn't posted them as of yesterday..if he didn't, then I have the files that can be uploaded...he mentioned no time due to being in "Hollywood"
 

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« Reply #4760 on: April 10, 2018, 01:39:55 AM »
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ok hmmm I guess I saw that - only on McCoy? Well are they on Colbert's site or on the FBI site?

I'll check but Colbert hasn't posted them as of yesterday..if he didn't, then I have the files that can be uploaded...he mentioned no time due to being in "Hollywood"

ok tnx
 

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« Reply #4761 on: April 10, 2018, 12:08:48 PM »
Tom Colbert has given me permission to upload the files about McCoy...credit is also given. they can be found towards the bottom of the page...


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« Reply #4762 on: April 10, 2018, 03:37:48 PM »
We have a rather wild story going on with Gene Bland...it's come to my attention that the Gene" posting on The Mountain News" as Gene Bland is not the same person..I've been speaking with Gene on Facebook for several days now. he's claiming he's never been to Bruce's site, nor claims to know who Bruce Smith is...hopefully Bruce will learn to control what is going on over there..obviously, someone is lying somewhere in all of this..

a lot of his story is very conflicting with the story we all have come to know, and hear about. I'm getting reports from higher ups that they have never heard of him. he is very pleasant to speak with, but it's hard to get any real evidence out of him. he has a very impressive background and it would be a shame if he was making all of this up..I spoke with multiple people and they have no clue about any tracks leading from anywhere from Seattle to Reno...you would think someone this involved could be recalled by someone. some of his friends say the opposite to where they believe Cooper landed, they kind of agree with the FBI..we have a lot of red flags with this story...I don't think I'll be discussing anything further with Gene at the moment...
 

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« Reply #4763 on: April 10, 2018, 03:56:51 PM »
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We have a rather wild story going on with Gene Bland...it's come to my attention that the Gene" posting on The Mountain News" as Gene Bland is not the same person..I've been speaking with Gene on Facebook for several days now. he's claiming he's never been to Bruce's site, nor claims to know who Bruce Smith is...hopefully Bruce will learn to control what is going on over there..obviously, someone is lying somewhere in all of this..

a lot of his story is very conflicting with the story we all have come to know, and hear about. I'm getting reports from higher ups that they have never heard of him. he is very pleasant to speak with, but it's hard to get any real evidence out of him. he has a very impressive background and it would be a shame if he was making all of this up..I spoke with multiple people and they have no clue about any tracks leading from anywhere from Seattle to Reno...you would think someone this involved could be recalled by someone. some of his friends say the opposite to where they believe Cooper landed, they kind of agree with the FBI..we have a lot of red flags with this story...I don't think I'll be discussing anything further with Gene at the moment...

Hope Im not wrong about this, but so far Bland has not claimed to have spoken to any agent at Portland or Seattle, while he did say he had spoken to 'Mouse Causey' ? Nobody Ive talked to at Portland/Seattle ever heard of Gene Bland but more importantly they cant recall any 302's concerning a muddy field with footprints or naming Bland and  ... identifying as a possible Cooper LZ in Oregon. If Bland's account is true it would have been identified from the air first before any feet on the ground at such a site ... the searches south of Portland into Oregon and Nevada were all conducted by air  - that is a fact everyone agrees on, moreover that is documented in numerous newspaper articles from the first days immediately following 11/24.

I do think (and all documents support this view): until about 12/2 the whole flight path was being examined by air. The search in the Woodland area was initially based on pilot communications, ie. last contact with the hijacker. The crew knew where they were during that time period. Then the pressure spike evidence surfaced which lead to the first NWA search map published around 12/2/71-12/6/71 sent out by fax to various FBI offices from Minneapolis to Seattle, Portland, Reno, Eugene, Sacramento, etal ...

Although there is no firm documentation so far, it does seem Reasonable that Campbell (Reno) would have contacted the parachute experts in his area, and Bland was an official in that community on 11/24/71.

So far no agents or 302's or newspaper accounts or any other data documents a 'muddy field with footprints' being found or searched in Oregon. But it may very well have happened. Just no confirmation beyond Bland's word for it, so far.
   
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« Reply #4764 on: April 10, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »
He obviously has some sort of involvement in this somewhere..I can see them contacting him..I'm not sure they would have him there before the plane landed..he claims the prints were found on the first day of searching but fails to give any location. he claims to have been told about it from numerous agents..

 

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« Reply #4765 on: April 10, 2018, 04:12:18 PM »
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He obviously has some sort of involvement in this somewhere..I can see them contacting him..I'm not sure they would have him there before the plane landed..he claims the prints were found on the first day of searching but fails to give any location. he claims to have been told about it from numerous agents..

What we need is somebody from the Reno office who knew and interacted with Bland ... who would know about Blabd's role and the muddy field find. Agents at Eugene would definitely have known about such a find! We covered that this morning over the phone but what is mystifying everyone is 'no 302's on any of this that anyone can remember', and there definitely would have been paper-work generated on this from somebody.

The last three days ave brought forth new info in a number of aspects of the Cooper case. I will cover that at length sometime later, but its good material regarding R2, flares seen at Eugene, the Janet story, suspects at Reno and passenger interviws ... etc.


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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #4766 on: April 10, 2018, 04:14:37 PM »
Gene Bland and me:

About a year ago, I followed up on the link 377 provided to Gene Bland at Facebook. He never responded to my Fb outreach. But I did track him to Nocera, TX, and Lancaster, TX, leaving phone messages and one snail mail correspondence.

As for the "Gene Bland" at the MN, I have emailed him with no response. But the email doesn't bounce back, either.

Either way, Shut, you seem to be the only guy who is effectively communicating with Gene.
 

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« Reply #4767 on: April 10, 2018, 04:16:00 PM »
The lack of 302's are not really surprising to me given the fact that they have buried files in the past...nobody really remembering him seems to be more of a concern...
 

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« Reply #4768 on: April 10, 2018, 04:17:41 PM »
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Gene Bland and me:

About a year ago, I followed up on the link 377 provided to Gene Bland at Facebook. He never responded to my Fb outreach. But I did track him to Nocera, TX, and Lancaster, TX, leaving phone messages and one snail mail correspondence.

As for the "Gene Bland" at the MN, I have emailed him with no response. But the email doesn't bounce back, either.

Either way, Shut, you seem to be the only guy who is effectively communicating with Gene.


perhaps he doesn't remember you..he claims he doesn't know you, or has been on your site...I asked him how he found your site, and that's how it all started with him saying he has never been there...
 

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« Reply #4769 on: April 10, 2018, 04:19:19 PM »
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Gene Bland and me:

About a year ago, I followed up on the link 377 provided to Gene Bland at Facebook. He never responded to my Fb outreach. But I did track him to Nocera, TX, and Lancaster, TX, leaving phone messages and one snail mail correspondence.

As for the "Gene Bland" at the MN, I have emailed him with no response. But the email doesn't bounce back, either.

Either way, Shut, you seem to be the only guy who is effectively communicating with Gene.

I see my role as total non-interference ... working the side of the field as an observer only.  :rofl:   

302s are a Godsend! Not just for me but for everyone else interested!  ;)
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