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[Robert99]

What does this boil down to, more of a splash than finding land to survive? Ben Stiller should of asked her what happened in the film Night at the Museum, Battle of the Smithsonian 

Splash and sink.

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Tighar and their CEO have no credibility in my view. ZERO. Everything they find was "likely" Earhart's. Shoes, bones, cosmetic bottles, etc. Their claim that some vertical protrusion on a reef is the landing gear of her plane is absurd on so many levels.

If the Tighar donor suit pivots on the claim that the org fraudulently concealed a prior find of Earhart's plane wreckage. it will fail.


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[377]

Visually locating small relatively flat islands from the air when there are clouds casting shadows on the water is VERY difficult. Every shadow looks like an island. And when you finally see a small flat island from a distance, it doesn't look much different than the cloud shadows all around it. Earhart got lost, ran out of fuel and splashed. When the wreckage of her Lockheed is found, I predict it will be on the ocean floor not on some island. 

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[Robert99]

Visually locating small relatively flat islands from the air when there are clouds casting shadows on the water is VERY difficult. Every shadow looks like an island. And when you finally see a small flat island from a distance, it doesn't look much different than the cloud shadows all around it. Earhart got lost, ran out of fuel and splashed. When the wreckage of her Lockheed is found, I predict it will be on the ocean floor not on some island. 

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And probably not more than about 50 miles from Howland Island in my opinion.

[georger]

Visually locating small relatively flat islands from the air when there are clouds casting shadows on the water is VERY difficult. Every shadow looks like an island. And when you finally see a small flat island from a distance, it doesn't look much different than the cloud shadows all around it. Earhart got lost, ran out of fuel and splashed. When the wreckage of her Lockheed is found, I predict it will be on the ocean floor not on some island. 

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And probably not more than about 50 miles from Howland Island in my opinion.

Has Robert Ballard looked for Earhart? Or anyone credible like him?

[Ballard said he had rejected offers to look for Earhart's plane, thinking the task too difficult. “If you ever wanted a case of finding a needle in a haystack, this is at the top of the list in deep sea exploration,” he said at a Washington press conference.]

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The Navy found this cargo door. Small target, only rough idea of position. Damned good job.

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[Robert99]

Visually locating small relatively flat islands from the air when there are clouds casting shadows on the water is VERY difficult. Every shadow looks like an island. And when you finally see a small flat island from a distance, it doesn't look much different than the cloud shadows all around it. Earhart got lost, ran out of fuel and splashed. When the wreckage of her Lockheed is found, I predict it will be on the ocean floor not on some island. 

377

And probably not more than about 50 miles from Howland Island in my opinion.

Has Robert Ballard looked for Earhart? Or anyone credible like him?

[Ballard said he had rejected offers to look for Earhart's plane, thinking the task too difficult. “If you ever wanted a case of finding a needle in a haystack, this is at the top of the list in deep sea exploration,” he said at a Washington press conference.]

Not to my knowledge.

Maybe someone could get Paul G. Allen (co-founder of Microsoft) interested in it.  He has a ship in the western Pacific that has recently located the wreck of the Lexington aircraft carrier that was sunk during the WW2 Battle of the Coral Sea.  In the past two or three years, that ship has located the wreck of the Indianapolis,  the wreck of a Japanese battleship, and probably others that I don't remember right off.

Allen reportedly lives on a yacht in the Seattle area and is also interested in aviation.  He reportedly funded the project to put a civilian (non-NASA or military) into "space" to win a 10 million dollar prize with the winning aircraft being built by Scaled Composites in Mojave, CA.  He is also reportedly funding the development of what is described as the biggest aircraft ever (based on wingspan length) and that aircraft has been rolled out and will probably fly before the end of this year.

Does anyone here have an idea of the undersea search (15 to 18 thousand feet down) capabilities that are available today?  Based on pictures I have seen of the sea floor in the Howland area, it appears to be relatively silt free.

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[georger]

Visually locating small relatively flat islands from the air when there are clouds casting shadows on the water is VERY difficult. Every shadow looks like an island. And when you finally see a small flat island from a distance, it doesn't look much different than the cloud shadows all around it. Earhart got lost, ran out of fuel and splashed. When the wreckage of her Lockheed is found, I predict it will be on the ocean floor not on some island. 

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And probably not more than about 50 miles from Howland Island in my opinion.

Has Robert Ballard looked for Earhart? Or anyone credible like him?

[Ballard said he had rejected offers to look for Earhart's plane, thinking the task too difficult. “If you ever wanted a case of finding a needle in a haystack, this is at the top of the list in deep sea exploration,” he said at a Washington press conference.]

Not to my knowledge.

Maybe someone could get Paul G. Allen (co-founder of Microsoft) interested in it.  He has a ship in the western Pacific that has recently located the wreck of the Lexington aircraft carrier that was sunk during the WW2 Battle of the Coral Sea.  In the past two or three years, that ship has located the wreck of the Indianapolis,  the wreck of a Japanese battleship, and probably others that I don't remember right off.

Allen reportedly lives on a yacht in the Seattle area and is also interested in aviation.  He reportedly funded the project to put a civilian (non-NASA or military) into "space" to win a 10 million dollar prize with the winning aircraft being built by Scaled Composites in Mojave, CA.  He is also reportedly funding the development of what is described as the biggest aircraft ever (based on wingspan length) and that aircraft has been rolled out and will probably fly before the end of this year.

Does anyone here have an idea of the undersea search (15 to 18 thousand feet down) capabilities that are available today?  Based on pictures I have seen of the sea floor in the Howland area, it appears to be relatively silt free.

It may be a question of money and time. Allen probably gets a thousand requests per day.

[Shutter]

How about flight 19...not many bring up this story..I often think of these guys while passing the airport from where this all started. I even went to one of the memorials they have every year at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International..a lot of people don't know this airport started off as a naval base..only one building remains from that period, it's a museum now..this story is full of myths, probably more than the Cooper case..a single prop stands at the base of the control tower in memory of flight 19..

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[Bruce A. Smith]

Definitely a tip o' the hat to the crews of Flight 19. And the flying boat that went looking for them. I'm glad there is a memorial to them at Fort Lauderdale airport.

[Shutter]

Definitely a tip o' the hat to the crews of Flight 19. And the flying boat that went looking for them. I'm glad there is a memorial to them at Fort Lauderdale airport.

I was surprised that not much information regarding the yearly ceremony is posted..I'm going to try and remember this year and take some photo's..

Every branch of the military is there. the ceremony takes place close to the memorial. a bell rings 27 times for all that were lost on that evening..14 crewmen, and 13 aboard the PBM...it was over 10 years since I was there..the museum can be seen from the highway..it's at the west end of the runway..

a guard shack use to sit where you see Avenger torpedo's...don't know what they did with the shack...

[Bruce A. Smith]

Any thoughts, Shut, on what happened to FLT 19 and the rescue boat?

A micro burst is often mentioned, but the operative word there is micro - a short-term, but intensive, weather event.

Some of the other phenomenon reported by pilots - especially in the Bermuda Triangle - lends itself to some unique energetic disturbance that would alter all radio capacities, compass readings, magnetic devices, and visual/atmospheric environments. I lean in this direction. One pilot flying to Miami from Puerto Rico or BVI, I think, says he entered some kind of portal and lost about a hour of flight time. Since I've had interdimensional experiences on a small scale personally - orbs, energy streams from an apparent portal, the "glitter" phenomenon, etc. -  I don't dismiss these kinds of possibilities, although I do acknowledge that the subject can be filled with wacky ideas.

[Shutter]

The PBM Mariner was known as the "flying gas tank" it's believed that one of the crew was smoking and ignited the plane..a huge explosion was seen by a tanker followed by an oil slick on the water..none of that plane has ever been found either...

It appears a lot has changed since I researched flight 19..the testimony of the ship seeing the fireball has come into question...

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[Robert99]

The PBM Mariner was known as the "flying gas tank" it's believed that one of the crew was smoking and ignited the plane..a huge explosion was seen by a tanker followed by an oil slick on the water..none of that plane has ever been found either...

It appears a lot has changed since I researched flight 19..the testimony of the ship seeing the fireball has come into question...

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If you read the latter part of the link above, it could pass for one of Bruce's pieces of writing.

The only believable story for the Mariner is that it did explode in mid-air and was observed by a ship at that time.  The ship later sailed through the debris field and during that time some gasoline on the water surface was still burning.

The Avengers simply flew around off the east coast of Florida until they ran out of fuel and ditched.  Radio calls were heard from some of the aircraft stating that if the flight leader would only fly west, they would be okay.  It used to be that the airline captain was always right and not to be doubted, the Avenger pilots just stuck with flight leader despite some of them apparently knowing  where they were.

The Avenger pilots reportedly had more than 300 hours of flying time each and were not "student pilots" in any real sense of the word.