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« Reply #4485 on: February 05, 2018, 04:00:20 PM »
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They submit DNA...comes back negative...they say it's not Cooper's DNA
They submit prints, they come back negative...not Cooper's prints
The actual witnesses say no, they blame stress and trauma and no longer able to remember..
The money was planted, the pieces found deep below the find...problem for the conspiracy (work in progress to get around)
The sketch looks like Cooper, but the description is wrong...eye's, hair etc..

The sketch is a sketch, not a photo...odds are the description is much closer than the sketch, but they proudly post the suspect right next to it?

Most of them will strip away most of the evidence and shape it like Mr. Potato head..

Yes. There is the nub(sp?) of it - I sometimes get the impression Colbert could care less and will forge ahead until he runs out of water!
 

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« Reply #4486 on: February 05, 2018, 04:08:11 PM »
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he has all the skills, including explosives...it's the age and nobody identifying him that is the problem...

He may in fact have been over skilled and under-motivated for Cooper's crime. Plane hijackings were high risk small payoff compared to other opportunities to Rackstraw's liking... and I seriously doubt there would be an ideolect match between Cooper and Rackstraw. This is simply a Tom Colbert and OZ production. Where's Dorothy and the Tin Man?   

I have a different view Georger. $200K wasn't a small payoff in 1971. Rackstraw never seemed deterred by high risk. Stealing explosives form the military is high risk and he did that. Faking a crash into the sea to steal a plane is high risk and he did that. Murdering your stepfather is high risk and it looks like he may have done that. I think NORJACK IS the type of crime that an aviation-minded sociopath like Rackstraw might dream up. He had one hell of a grudge and all the skills. He needed money.

I just don't see any solid evidence that puts Rackstraw on the plane. Hard to imagine Rackstraw ditching 50K of the loot in an ill-fated attempt to fake a drowning. Why not wait to see where the investigation is going before literally throwing away $50K? According to TJC the banded bundles found by Brian were put there under the direction of Rackstraw. The odds that right underneath the plant spot there were thousands of shards from the money allegedly tossed from a small plane at another location years ago seems to be tiny. His age is still a problem for me as well.

I am keeping an open mind, however. Rackstraw joins Peterson, Braden, and others who could have done NORJACK. What we need is direct evidence that a particular suspect DID do it. So far, as I see it, that has yet to occur.
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Unfortunately, amid all the Rackstraw hype, I don't know where to look to get a bead on his mannerisms. Every time I read Tina's interviews - and I keep coming back to them not for fine details of appearance but for what he actually said and how he came across - I get a picture of a a soft-spoken, genteel man with the fine mannerisms typical of a businessman.

Now, anyone can fake a personality for a few minutes. But most people - and particularly those in the heat of something this huge - wouldn't be policing their body language much. The slumping mentioned could have disguised the specifics of his height, but apart from that I doubt he was policing his body language.

I believe Bruce mentioned Braden as soft-spoken? (I may be confusing him with the other B dude). Peterson's fine mannerisms are apparent in his History appearance. Wolfgang Gossett was a performer (that guy fascinates me; if fascinating = DB Cooper we'd have like 5 Coopers on our hands) and his paranormal videos show him as well-spoken (neither loud nor soft, but well-modulated with excellent diction.)

Does anybody have this kind of info on Rackstraw? I'm putting aside his gruff blow-ups at the media, but my "vibe" on him, like McCoy, is that the guy kind of came off shady/criminal. They look like crooks; did their body language and vocal tics match that? Did they have any kind of acting background that could disguise that? (Bearing in mind that a loud personality is easier to fake than to tone down for a long period).

I can't simply discount a suspect because I don't "feel" them. But didn't everyone, the first time they read of Cooper, form an overall picture of this "gentleman skyjacker" in their head? I just don't think any guy who looks/acts crooked/crude from the get-go would be a good match. Any video footage of the suspects named would be helpful. Not all suspects have been as cheekily public as Sheridan and Wolfgang. ;)

Its interesting you say this - focusing on ideolect. If you read the stews testimony (and Rataczak's to some extent) there were a few times that Gentleman Cooper flew off the handle and issued "or else!" demands. There is no question he wanted and demanded control, but once he had that then things settled down. I think Tina and Flo sensed a kind of duality going on... something  just below the surface that should not be tested and I believe Rataczak and Cooper had a very real clash of personalities. Both being control types? In addition, it is very clear to me Cooper was very good and quick at discriminating personality types - he decided early/quickly that Flo was not a person to mess with whereas Tina was more reserved and easier to control, so he chose Tina. Cooper was all for the mission and focused on that, clearly. That hints at a decisive personality type who could be explosive if things dont go his way? When things go his way he is pleasant and almost accommodating?  Contrast his personality based on performance with someone like McCoy or Kaczynski! There are very clear important differences.  One has to wonder where in his life he picked up personality typing skills and why! That is a more common trait in females vs males and it is may point to occupational experience or training on Cooper's part? Keep in mind he throws in this admonition later: I will take you to a place you would like! Thats one helluva a statement if you think about it under the circumstances at hand ... its pure irony!   
Nonetheless, both stews described him as never having been cruel and "rather nice". Of course the dichotomy must be there because the damn dude was hijacking a plane, after all. As we all have dark sides, that doesn't help us much.

My take on Cooper's selection of Tina wasn't that she was so much more malleable - Flo did everything Cooper asked - but so much cooler-headed. Any read of the witness statements reveals Flo as in extreme shock. She dropped the note, could barely speak, and was told by the pilots to remain in the cockpit for a large part of the flight. Her handwritten notes reveal extreme stress and are frequently incoherent. This was life-and-death for Cooper, too, remember. No disrespect to Flo - Tina was exceptional, and I believe a large part of why this case didn't turn tragic. Flo may well have been remembering the still recent 58 November case. I still get the shakes reading it, and marvel at Tina's sang-froid.

Typing skills - are you referring to the "Cooper" letters? If they were in fact written by Cooper, they are the work of a skilled, though imperfect typist who is trained in business writing, given the blocking of the paragraphs. I could go on, but the letters are a whole other kettle of fish and I really do have to go to the clinic before it closes! :P

I think the statement to the stew that they were going to a pleasant place was both true - the crew were going to a nicer place - Reno has to be better than a tense plane cabin - and Cooper in his mind was going off wherever with the cash in hand - and a way of ensuring Tina remained calm. Her least calm period seems to have been when she was worried she'd have to stay in the cabin when the stairs were open. He sent her back to the cockpit once he realized she wasn't needed. He seems to have had no interest in stressing her out any further than was a given under the circumstances.
 

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« Reply #4487 on: February 05, 2018, 04:22:40 PM »
Lynn wrote: "Peterson's fine mannerisms are apparent in his History appearance."

Peterson, in person, is very charming and gentile. But when angry, he has a real edge and isn't beyond proposing violent consequences for those he dislikes.

I like Sheridan. He is very intelligent and better informed about current events than most other people. He is a voracious reader. He is articulate and well spoken. He also an ex-Marine who has a big heart and has helped vets in his area who were in need. His skydiving skills and smoke jumping experience are well documented and are not exaggerated. Mary Jean Fryar, the FBI SA who intervirewed Sheridan Peterson, found him "fascinating" and to this day wonders if she might have been speaking with DB Cooper.

Blue eyes though, piercing blue. And the FBI apprently ruled him out on a DNA test.




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« Reply #4488 on: February 05, 2018, 04:31:20 PM »
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he has all the skills, including explosives...it's the age and nobody identifying him that is the problem...

He may in fact have been over skilled and under-motivated for Cooper's crime. Plane hijackings were high risk small payoff compared to other opportunities to Rackstraw's liking... and I seriously doubt there would be an ideolect match between Cooper and Rackstraw. This is simply a Tom Colbert and OZ production. Where's Dorothy and the Tin Man?   

I have a different view Georger. $200K wasn't a small payoff in 1971. Rackstraw never seemed deterred by high risk. Stealing explosives form the military is high risk and he did that. Faking a crash into the sea to steal a plane is high risk and he did that. Murdering your stepfather is high risk and it looks like he may have done that. I think NORJACK IS the type of crime that an aviation-minded sociopath like Rackstraw might dream up. He had one hell of a grudge and all the skills. He needed money.

I just don't see any solid evidence that puts Rackstraw on the plane. Hard to imagine Rackstraw ditching 50K of the loot in an ill-fated attempt to fake a drowning. Why not wait to see where the investigation is going before literally throwing away $50K? According to TJC the banded bundles found by Brian were put there under the direction of Rackstraw. The odds that right underneath the plant spot there were thousands of shards from the money allegedly tossed from a small plane at another location years ago seems to be tiny. His age is still a problem for me as well.

I am keeping an open mind, however. Rackstraw joins Peterson, Braden, and others who could have done NORJACK. What we need is direct evidence that a particular suspect DID do it. So far, as I see it, that has yet to occur.
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Unfortunately, amid all the Rackstraw hype, I don't know where to look to get a bead on his mannerisms. Every time I read Tina's interviews - and I keep coming back to them not for fine details of appearance but for what he actually said and how he came across - I get a picture of a a soft-spoken, genteel man with the fine mannerisms typical of a businessman.

Now, anyone can fake a personality for a few minutes. But most people - and particularly those in the heat of something this huge - wouldn't be policing their body language much. The slumping mentioned could have disguised the specifics of his height, but apart from that I doubt he was policing his body language.

I believe Bruce mentioned Braden as soft-spoken? (I may be confusing him with the other B dude). Peterson's fine mannerisms are apparent in his History appearance. Wolfgang Gossett was a performer (that guy fascinates me; if fascinating = DB Cooper we'd have like 5 Coopers on our hands) and his paranormal videos show him as well-spoken (neither loud nor soft, but well-modulated with excellent diction.)

Does anybody have this kind of info on Rackstraw? I'm putting aside his gruff blow-ups at the media, but my "vibe" on him, like McCoy, is that the guy kind of came off shady/criminal. They look like crooks; did their body language and vocal tics match that? Did they have any kind of acting background that could disguise that? (Bearing in mind that a loud personality is easier to fake than to tone down for a long period).

I can't simply discount a suspect because I don't "feel" them. But didn't everyone, the first time they read of Cooper, form an overall picture of this "gentleman skyjacker" in their head? I just don't think any guy who looks/acts crooked/crude from the get-go would be a good match. Any video footage of the suspects named would be helpful. Not all suspects have been as cheekily public as Sheridan and Wolfgang. ;)

Its interesting you say this - focusing on ideolect. If you read the stews testimony (and Rataczak's to some extent) there were a few times that Gentleman Cooper flew off the handle and issued "or else!" demands. There is no question he wanted and demanded control, but once he had that then things settled down. I think Tina and Flo sensed a kind of duality going on... something  just below the surface that should not be tested and I believe Rataczak and Cooper had a very real clash of personalities. Both being control types? In addition, it is very clear to me Cooper was very good and quick at discriminating personality types - he decided early/quickly that Flo was not a person to mess with whereas Tina was more reserved and easier to control, so he chose Tina. Cooper was all for the mission and focused on that, clearly. That hints at a decisive personality type who could be explosive if things dont go his way? When things go his way he is pleasant and almost accommodating?  Contrast his personality based on performance with someone like McCoy or Kaczynski! There are very clear important differences.  One has to wonder where in his life he picked up personality typing skills and why! That is a more common trait in females vs males and it is may point to occupational experience or training on Cooper's part? Keep in mind he throws in this admonition later: I will take you to a place you would like! Thats one helluva a statement if you think about it under the circumstances at hand ... its pure irony!   
Nonetheless, both stews described him as never having been cruel and "rather nice". Of course the dichotomy must be there because the damn dude was hijacking a plane, after all. As we all have dark sides, that doesn't help us much.

My take on Cooper's selection of Tina wasn't that she was so much more malleable - Flo did everything Cooper asked - but so much cooler-headed. Any read of the witness statements reveals Flo as in extreme shock. She dropped the note, could barely speak, and was told by the pilots to remain in the cockpit for a large part of the flight. Her handwritten notes reveal extreme stress and are frequently incoherent. This was life-and-death for Cooper, too, remember. No disrespect to Flo - Tina was exceptional, and I believe a large part of why this case didn't turn tragic. Flo may well have been remembering the still recent 58 November case. I still get the shakes reading it, and marvel at Tina's sang-froid.

Typing skills - are you referring to the "Cooper" letters? If they were in fact written by Cooper, they are the work of a skilled, though imperfect typist who is trained in business writing, given the blocking of the paragraphs. I could go on, but the letters are a whole other kettle of fish and I really do have to go to the clinic before it closes! :P

I think the statement to the stew that they were going to a pleasant place was both true - the crew were going to a nicer place - Reno has to be better than a tense plane cabin - and Cooper in his mind was going off wherever with the cash in hand - and a way of ensuring Tina remained calm. Her least calm period seems to have been when she was worried she'd have to stay in the cabin when the stairs were open. He sent her back to the cockpit once he realized she wasn't needed. He seems to have had no interest in stressing her out any further than was a given under the circumstances.

Insightful, well rounded insight - thanks!  :)
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« Reply #4489 on: February 05, 2018, 05:45:42 PM »
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...I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms...


Who'd you kick in the nuts this time, Lynn?

BTW: Bill (Rataczak) never saw the skyjacker. The three eye-witnesses from the crew are: Tina, Flo, and Alice Hancock.
 

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« Reply #4490 on: February 05, 2018, 07:06:11 PM »
A little reflection in time...

I remember the day Dona Elliott passed away..her son, Bryan, was hit pretty hard..he was kind enough to send me a lot of personal photo's of his mother for a tribute video I made for him...thought I would share the video once again to reflect upon..

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« Reply #4491 on: February 05, 2018, 08:48:08 PM »
This is about as old school as you can get...go granny  :congrats:

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« Reply #4492 on: February 05, 2018, 09:43:25 PM »
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he has all the skills, including explosives...it's the age and nobody identifying him that is the problem...

He may in fact have been over skilled and under-motivated for Cooper's crime. Plane hijackings were high risk small payoff compared to other opportunities to Rackstraw's liking... and I seriously doubt there would be an ideolect match between Cooper and Rackstraw. This is simply a Tom Colbert and OZ production. Where's Dorothy and the Tin Man?   

I have a different view Georger. $200K wasn't a small payoff in 1971. Rackstraw never seemed deterred by high risk. Stealing explosives form the military is high risk and he did that. Faking a crash into the sea to steal a plane is high risk and he did that. Murdering your stepfather is high risk and it looks like he may have done that. I think NORJACK IS the type of crime that an aviation-minded sociopath like Rackstraw might dream up. He had one hell of a grudge and all the skills. He needed money.

I just don't see any solid evidence that puts Rackstraw on the plane. Hard to imagine Rackstraw ditching 50K of the loot in an ill-fated attempt to fake a drowning. Why not wait to see where the investigation is going before literally throwing away $50K? According to TJC the banded bundles found by Brian were put there under the direction of Rackstraw. The odds that right underneath the plant spot there were thousands of shards from the money allegedly tossed from a small plane at another location years ago seems to be tiny. His age is still a problem for me as well.

I am keeping an open mind, however. Rackstraw joins Peterson, Braden, and others who could have done NORJACK. What we need is direct evidence that a particular suspect DID do it. So far, as I see it, that has yet to occur.
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I have been reading the last master outlaw. Rackstraw from what I have read seems like a good conman. He was also fearless, and a good pilot. I am not sold on him being Cooper, but it is interesting how we keep seeing Colbert coming out with more evidence against him.
 

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« Reply #4493 on: February 06, 2018, 09:32:22 PM »
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...I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms...


Who'd you kick in the nuts this time, Lynn?

BTW: Bill (Rataczak) never saw the skyjacker. The three eye-witnesses from the crew are: Tina, Flo, and Alice Hancock.
Haha, I think it was a staircase with some concrete cojones.

I'm sorry if I said "crew"? The Bill I was referring to in the witness statements was William Mitchell.
 

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« Reply #4494 on: February 12, 2018, 10:29:05 PM »
Really interesting program on the SR-71 told by the pilot...they talk about everything...the titanium, and the lack of it and how it was obtained..the CIA operations, area 51...all good stuff..

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« Reply #4495 on: February 13, 2018, 03:51:45 AM »
Wonderful video, Shut. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #4496 on: February 13, 2018, 08:35:11 AM »
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Wonderful video, Shut. Thanks.


very informative...SR-71 IS 93% titanium...alloy.... :'(

I like how they make you wear goggles while walking around area 51...
 

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« Reply #4497 on: February 13, 2018, 06:59:41 PM »
Yes - lots of cool tidbits. Lockheed buying Russian titanium through a CIA shell corporation? Love it!!!
 

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« Reply #4498 on: February 13, 2018, 07:53:03 PM »
Went to a small crowd lecture by a retired SR 71 pilot a few years ago, who was then teaching high school science in the Sacramento area. What amazing stories he had to tell. He used to fly out over the Pacific at sundown, fly North and make repeated sunrises and sunsets by making left and right turns. Said refueling was really touchy with big CG and weight changes as fuel was taken on from special KC 135Q tankers carrying an exotic fuel blend just for SR 71s. Said it was fast, but not nearly as fast as author Brian Shul claims in his book Sled Driver. He taught Shul as an instructor pilot in SR 71s. One thing that surprised him given its exotic airframe shape and speed ability, was how incredibly well it handled at low speeds in landing patterns. He also talked about the A 12 which was a CIA not USAF plane that preceded the SR 71 and looked a lot like it. He said the SR 71 weeped lots fuel as it taxied for takeoff. High-speed flight expanded the tank and connector metals and sealed things up tight. They couldn't use flexible rubber seals due to the temperatures encountered.  He never had any serious in-flight emergencies but was relieved to know that successful ejections had been made. The chutes were standard C 9 canopies but there was a lot of high tech involved in the ejection system which had to work at extremely high altitudes.

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« Reply #4499 on: February 13, 2018, 09:05:13 PM »
If you watched this video above, the guy had the moon circle him 4 times...he touched on a lot of things you mentioned..I still like the glasses you wear at area 51...they only allow you to see the ground in front of you...

The only difference in the A12 was length..it was something like 12 feet shorter...