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« Reply #4455 on: February 05, 2018, 12:15:11 AM »
he has all the skills, including explosives...it's the age and nobody identifying him that is the problem...
 

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« Reply #4456 on: February 05, 2018, 12:18:05 AM »
as I mentioned before...they compare him to the sketch, but claim he wore make-up to cover his description, so how could he look like the sketch..he shouldn't look like the sketch?
 

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« Reply #4457 on: February 05, 2018, 12:24:13 AM »
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he has all the skills, including explosives...it's the age and nobody identifying him that is the problem...

He may in fact have been over skilled and under-motivated for Cooper's crime. Plane hijackings were high risk small payoff compared to other opportunities to Rackstraw's liking... and I seriously doubt there would be an ideolect match between Cooper and Rackstraw. This is simply a Tom Colbert and OZ production. Where's Dorothy and the Tin Man?   
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« Reply #4458 on: February 05, 2018, 12:26:44 AM »
I emailed someone about this...he is well into the case...his response was too much complicated hear-say testimony and excluding known evidence...
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« Reply #4459 on: February 05, 2018, 04:48:34 AM »
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
 

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« Reply #4460 on: February 05, 2018, 05:26:59 AM »
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...

any dates for these photos would be helpful.
 

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« Reply #4461 on: February 05, 2018, 06:09:23 AM »
He was 34 in the wheelchair photo...if you go to Tom's site and look under "research" he has a bunch of photo's with dates..
 

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« Reply #4462 on: February 05, 2018, 06:18:00 AM »
Rackstraw looks older than he really is...some of the photo's are B&W making him look older IMO. the photo taken in October of 1971 shows the real Rackstraw..(color) I would of put him in his early 30's at the most...he was 28 in that pic..
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« Reply #4463 on: February 05, 2018, 09:23:32 AM »
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No wonder Cobert wont release Rackstraw's birth date. I cant find Rackstraw's birth date anywhere! That should be a basic facts given by TC and his team.

I have never seen the age hidden. In fact, it has been a point that has been pretty up front.
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The metric of age guessing is an exceptionally weak metric to exclude a suspect by. The lack of witness 'fingering' does present its own challenges, granted. But to dismiss on the construct of age alone is foolish, IMHO.
 

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« Reply #4464 on: February 05, 2018, 01:28:48 PM »
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
No, I'm gonna disagree on that . The age thing is HUGE. I don't know ANY 28-year-old that could be taken for as old as 50, the highest estimate given for DBC's age initially. A beard can mask age somewhat, but Cooper didn't have one. I had friends in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, and we ragged them for being "old", but no one in their right minds would have put them at 40, let alone 50. So Bill, Flo, and Tina, the three best witnesses, would ALL have to have been around 20 years off. SO not buying. One decent witness might be that far off, but three?

Aging make-up is OUT. My hubby's ex field of work, and I was the model. It's a process. You cannot miss it up close. It will always look fake at close range, even with the best modern techniques and a pro on the job. And after hours, it also starts to come off. Stage, TV, or movies, there is always an artist handy to constantly refresh that makeup between takes.  In 1971, forget about it. Maybe if Tina and Flo had seen him only at a distance I could buy it. But they sat next to him, Tina for hours. No sale.

Not sure what the code-break they claim is supposed to be, but (1) there is nothing to prove any of the letters came from Cooper, even if they all could be proven to come from the same person (2) there are plenty of people nutty enough to claim to be Cooper. Doesn't make them him. Never will. (3) I spent very little time on the code and have no background in cryptography. However, even the shortest dance with this can give you a different suspect. For example, military job codes were numbered. (One list is given as an example.) Any job starting "71" would be in a communications-related field - from clerks to journalists to attaches; one person could have had several different positions with a 71 designation. The "68" jobs were all in airplane technical fields. The "4" jobs were for translators and language specialists. I can think of at least two suspects, neither of them Rackstraw, who had several military positions worked in those fields, and were well enough travelled to be multi-lingual - and those are just suspects named here. I'm not sure what the "*"  means - it could even mean the guy had a military star. Who the hell knows? Point is, the code can be interpreted to fit any theory you want if you look long enough. And even if you crack it, you can only ID the letter writer, not firmly link him to Cooper, who if he did write the letters would also likely have put red herrings in. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This Rackstraw thing is, IMHO, utter nonsense and I'm sick to death of hearing about it - just some bunch of people who'll do anything to sell their movie, which I won't be watching unless it's got Ryan Reynolds' bare butt in it somehow. Absolutely despise faux history. (I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms. :(  )
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
No, I'm gonna disagree on that . The age thing is HUGE. I don't know ANY 28-year-old that could be taken for as old as 50, the highest estimate given for DBC's age initially. A beard can mask age somewhat, but Cooper didn't have one. I had friends in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, and we ragged them for being "old", but no one in their right minds would have put them at 40, let alone 50. So Bill, Flo, and Tina, the three best witnesses, would ALL have to have been around 20 years off. SO not buying. One decent witness might be that far off, but three?

Aging make-up is OUT. My hubby's ex field of work, and I was the model. It's a process. You cannot miss it up close. It will always look fake at close range, even with the best modern techniques and a pro on the job. And after hours, it also starts to come off. In 1971, forget about it. Maybe if Tina and Flo had seen him only at a distance I could buy it. But they sat next to him, Tina for hours. No sale.

Not sure what the code-break they claim is supposed to be, but (1) there is nothing to prove any of the letters came from Cooper, even if they all could be proven to come from the same person (2) there are plenty of people nutty enough to claim to be Cooper. Doesn't make them him. Never will. (3) I spent very little time on the code and have no background in cryptography. However, even the shortest dance with this can give you a different suspect. For example, military job codes were numbered. (One list is given as an example.) Any job starting "71" would be in a communications-related field - from clerks to journalists to attaches; one person could have had several different positions with a 71 designation. The "68" jobs were all in airplane technical fields. The "4" jobs were for translators and language specialists. I can think of at least two suspects, neither of them Rackstraw, who had several military positions worked in those fields, and were well enough travelled to be multi-lingual - and those are just suspects named here. I'm not sure what the "*"  means - it could even mean the guy had a military star. Who the hell knows? Point is, the code can be interpreted to fit any theory you want if you look long enough. And even if you crack it, you can only ID the letter writer, not firmly link him to Cooper, who if he did write the letters would also likely have put red herrings in. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This Rackstraw thing is, IMHO, utter nonsense and I'm sick to death of hearing about it - just some bunch of people who'll do anything to sell their movie, which I won't be watching unless it's got Ryan Reynolds' bare butt in it somehow. Absolutely despise faux history. (I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms. :(  )

agree - your perspective counts!

In fact, Tom's team methods, may be a test case for why DB Cooper was never located and why we have no better science in the investigator side of the case. Based on performance, the only positions these guys could acquire in my Lab would be as floor sweepers! I think the average eighth grader could do better analytical work! This is a little concerning, frankly! I dont see the modern spectacular investigative work being taunted in Tom's media releases.
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« Reply #4466 on: February 05, 2018, 01:53:16 PM »
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
No, I'm gonna disagree on that . The age thing is HUGE. I don't know ANY 28-year-old that could be taken for as old as 50, the highest estimate given for DBC's age initially. A beard can mask age somewhat, but Cooper didn't have one. I had friends in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, and we ragged them for being "old", but no one in their right minds would have put them at 40, let alone 50. So Bill, Flo, and Tina, the three best witnesses, would ALL have to have been around 20 years off. SO not buying. One decent witness might be that far off, but three?

Aging make-up is OUT. My hubby's ex field of work, and I was the model. It's a process. You cannot miss it up close. It will always look fake at close range, even with the best modern techniques and a pro on the job. And after hours, it also starts to come off. In 1971, forget about it. Maybe if Tina and Flo had seen him only at a distance I could buy it. But they sat next to him, Tina for hours. No sale.

Not sure what the code-break they claim is supposed to be, but (1) there is nothing to prove any of the letters came from Cooper, even if they all could be proven to come from the same person (2) there are plenty of people nutty enough to claim to be Cooper. Doesn't make them him. Never will. (3) I spent very little time on the code and have no background in cryptography. However, even the shortest dance with this can give you a different suspect. For example, military job codes were numbered. (One list is given as an example.) Any job starting "71" would be in a communications-related field - from clerks to journalists to attaches; one person could have had several different positions with a 71 designation. The "68" jobs were all in airplane technical fields. The "4" jobs were for translators and language specialists. I can think of at least two suspects, neither of them Rackstraw, who had several military positions worked in those fields, and were well enough travelled to be multi-lingual - and those are just suspects named here. I'm not sure what the "*"  means - it could even mean the guy had a military star. Who the hell knows? Point is, the code can be interpreted to fit any theory you want if you look long enough. And even if you crack it, you can only ID the letter writer, not firmly link him to Cooper, who if he did write the letters would also likely have put red herrings in. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This Rackstraw thing is, IMHO, utter nonsense and I'm sick to death of hearing about it - just some bunch of people who'll do anything to sell their movie, which I won't be watching unless it's got Ryan Reynolds' bare butt in it somehow. Absolutely despise faux history. (I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms. :(  )

agree - your perspective counts!
The only expertise I really have so far is on the make-up. But ask me anything on aging make-up. I'm not wrong on this. It's a pain in the butt no matter how you do it. FX artists do incredible things. But they do them with lighting and visual FX, and even then an expert eye will catch the work. It can't be disguised up close.

 

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« Reply #4467 on: February 05, 2018, 01:55:02 PM »
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
No, I'm gonna disagree on that . The age thing is HUGE. I don't know ANY 28-year-old that could be taken for as old as 50, the highest estimate given for DBC's age initially. A beard can mask age somewhat, but Cooper didn't have one. I had friends in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, and we ragged them for being "old", but no one in their right minds would have put them at 40, let alone 50. So Bill, Flo, and Tina, the three best witnesses, would ALL have to have been around 20 years off. SO not buying. One decent witness might be that far off, but three?

Aging make-up is OUT. My hubby's ex field of work, and I was the model. It's a process. You cannot miss it up close. It will always look fake at close range, even with the best modern techniques and a pro on the job. And after hours, it also starts to come off. In 1971, forget about it. Maybe if Tina and Flo had seen him only at a distance I could buy it. But they sat next to him, Tina for hours. No sale.

Not sure what the code-break they claim is supposed to be, but (1) there is nothing to prove any of the letters came from Cooper, even if they all could be proven to come from the same person (2) there are plenty of people nutty enough to claim to be Cooper. Doesn't make them him. Never will. (3) I spent very little time on the code and have no background in cryptography. However, even the shortest dance with this can give you a different suspect. For example, military job codes were numbered. (One list is given as an example.) Any job starting "71" would be in a communications-related field - from clerks to journalists to attaches; one person could have had several different positions with a 71 designation. The "68" jobs were all in airplane technical fields. The "4" jobs were for translators and language specialists. I can think of at least two suspects, neither of them Rackstraw, who had several military positions worked in those fields, and were well enough travelled to be multi-lingual - and those are just suspects named here. I'm not sure what the "*"  means - it could even mean the guy had a military star. Who the hell knows? Point is, the code can be interpreted to fit any theory you want if you look long enough. And even if you crack it, you can only ID the letter writer, not firmly link him to Cooper, who if he did write the letters would also likely have put red herrings in. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This Rackstraw thing is, IMHO, utter nonsense and I'm sick to death of hearing about it - just some bunch of people who'll do anything to sell their movie, which I won't be watching unless it's got Ryan Reynolds' bare butt in it somehow. Absolutely despise faux history. (I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms. :(  )

agree - your perspective counts!
The only expertise I really have so far is on the make-up. But ask me anything on aging make-up. I'm not wrong on this. It's a pain in the butt no matter how you do it. FX artists do incredible things. But they do them with lighting and visual FX, and even then an expert eye will catch the work. It can't be disguised up close.

All I can say is: thank God you are here with your perspective! You're hired! Name your salary!  vote the smileycode and safe
 
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« Reply #4468 on: February 05, 2018, 01:57:54 PM »
8 years previous to the crime Rackstraw was a teen! as Lynn pointed out, it's extremely doubtful to be mistaken at 50 years old..the original quote was "in his 60's" (Harrison notes)

Rackstraw does look older than his age, but not by much..McCoy fooled me...

a mustache & beard would hide a lot, then glasses, so why not that route if he was so worried about his features..3rd time saying this one...Rackstraw shouldn't look anything like the sketch if he used make-up, or tried to hid his appearance...
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I believe that is for dramatic responses by showing the comparison blend into one...they did the same with KC...the "wow factor"

Drahma vs facts! Rackstraw sure looks pissed in that wheelchair photo - I wonder what his age was then? 40-50? Maybe that's the real middle aged Rackstraw's face they should be comparing?

Actually, if I'm remembering the book accurately, I believe that photo was taken in the mid to late 70's when he was feigning disability to get out of one of the many times he was arrested (meaning Rackstraw was under 35 in this photo)...yet you put his age range as 40 to 50 (I'd agree w/ that estimate based on looking at the picture alone).  Not saying Rackstraw's the guy, but I"ve always thought people have had way to narrow an age range on the suspect...
No, I'm gonna disagree on that . The age thing is HUGE. I don't know ANY 28-year-old that could be taken for as old as 50, the highest estimate given for DBC's age initially. A beard can mask age somewhat, but Cooper didn't have one. I had friends in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, and we ragged them for being "old", but no one in their right minds would have put them at 40, let alone 50. So Bill, Flo, and Tina, the three best witnesses, would ALL have to have been around 20 years off. SO not buying. One decent witness might be that far off, but three?

Aging make-up is OUT. My hubby's ex field of work, and I was the model. It's a process. You cannot miss it up close. It will always look fake at close range, even with the best modern techniques and a pro on the job. And after hours, it also starts to come off. In 1971, forget about it. Maybe if Tina and Flo had seen him only at a distance I could buy it. But they sat next to him, Tina for hours. No sale.

Not sure what the code-break they claim is supposed to be, but (1) there is nothing to prove any of the letters came from Cooper, even if they all could be proven to come from the same person (2) there are plenty of people nutty enough to claim to be Cooper. Doesn't make them him. Never will. (3) I spent very little time on the code and have no background in cryptography. However, even the shortest dance with this can give you a different suspect. For example, military job codes were numbered. (One list is given as an example.) Any job starting "71" would be in a communications-related field - from clerks to journalists to attaches; one person could have had several different positions with a 71 designation. The "68" jobs were all in airplane technical fields. The "4" jobs were for translators and language specialists. I can think of at least two suspects, neither of them Rackstraw, who had several military positions worked in those fields, and were well enough travelled to be multi-lingual - and those are just suspects named here. I'm not sure what the "*"  means - it could even mean the guy had a military star. Who the hell knows? Point is, the code can be interpreted to fit any theory you want if you look long enough. And even if you crack it, you can only ID the letter writer, not firmly link him to Cooper, who if he did write the letters would also likely have put red herrings in. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This Rackstraw thing is, IMHO, utter nonsense and I'm sick to death of hearing about it - just some bunch of people who'll do anything to sell their movie, which I won't be watching unless it's got Ryan Reynolds' bare butt in it somehow. Absolutely despise faux history. (I'm sorry I sound so grumpy, gotta go see a doc about a busted toe and I hate waiting rooms. :(  )

agree - your perspective counts!
The only expertise I really have so far is on the make-up. But ask me anything on aging make-up. I'm not wrong on this. It's a pain in the butt no matter how you do it. FX artists do incredible things. But they do them with lighting and visual FX, and even then an expert eye will catch the work. It can't be disguised up close.

All I can say is: thank God you are here with your perspective! You're hired! Name your salary!  vote the smileycode and safe
Haha, thanks. In a way, I can't blame anyone for trying to make their living off this obsession. It's way more interesting than any day job. ;)