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[FLYJACK]

I don't believe it can exist for a stretch of 10-15 miles at once..we know flow reversal happens...

your belief is wrong with respect to tidal floods

[Shutter]

I don't believe it can exist for a stretch of 10-15 miles at once..we know flow reversal happens...

your belief is wrong with respect to tidal floods

all I can tell you is to CONTACT the Corps and ask them...it's very simple.

[FLYJACK]

I don't believe it can exist for a stretch of 10-15 miles at once..we know flow reversal happens...

your belief is wrong with respect to tidal floods

all I can tell you is to CONTACT the Corps and ask them...it's very simple.

I am not the one in denial, the Army Corps doc is posted above and another earlier.

[Shutter]

where in the document does it state that objects can be moved 10 miles upstream...and whether or not these currents, flows etc. occur between the Lewis river and down into the T-bar area? this is critical to your theory, but the document fails to address the issue...

please refrain from labeling me..final warning..

[Shutter]

You are basically driving on assumptions. this is why you need to speak with someone who knows about this, and not from reading things on the internet, or someone watching the current go backwards...

I did the same with the dredge. I called several pump companies, along with dredge companies to find out whether or not the money could get through the pump. it's not a question of denial, it's about getting verification. telling me reverse flow occurs does zip.

[Shutter]

I started a poll in reference to the theory that has been discussed here the last couple days..sorry about the text color. I'm not sure how to find the color variations on this theme..

[georger]

I started a poll in reference to the theory that has been discussed here the last couple days..sorry about the text color. I'm not sure how to find the color variations on this theme..

Poll results so far speak for itself.

[Shutter]

my point was to see what others thought about the theory..two said maybe, which is hard to understand, but that's there opinion...10 miles is a long, long way 

[brbducksfan]

While I believe this scenario to be extremely unlikely, I marked "maybe" because, in theory, it's possible.

1) From the Bonneville Dam to the ocean, the Columbia is actually considered an "estuary" - other than
- weather (wind)
- spring runoff;
- Bonneville Dam releases

The river 'flow' in this area is pretty static, and directly related to tidal flow.  You can find on the web kayaking groups from the dam to the ocean that acknowledge the river reverse flows 2x per day (with the tide).

2) The 20lb $ bag, even waterlogged, would not "weigh" 20lbs in water - it would be closer to 13 lbs...smarter posters on this forum can explain the physics better than I, but for me, the best way to understand this is what it's like to lift my kid outside of the swimming pool vs. inside of it.

3) Tidal cycles from low to high in late Nov. 1971 were only about 6 hours. 

Thus, the Q is, is up to 6 hours of reverse flow enough to move the equivalent of a 13lb object 10 miles underwater?  I highly doubt it, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it out of hand.

[Shutter]

thanks for the input...lets say it moves the bag, or bundles 200 yards...what happens when the natural flow comes back, it just sits there? I don't see where this will gain forward, or in this case, backwards progress.

[Shutter]

If something is highly unlikely, it doesn't really need a second look, so I don't agree with that point. this all started once a disagreement was met. this is common with theories here, they clash and most of the time the person gets upset and causes what you see here now.

I don't see any documentation supporting this..I see a ton of reverse flow data, but nothing about things coming back from downstream miles away. things underwater can't be detected unless you dive in and pull up the debris and find out where it came from.

even if a small child, god forbid fell in the river..I seriously doubt they would automatically start looking upstream due to this common occurrence, nor have I read they have found bodies upstream..I don't think anyone here even knows how strong it is...this is why you must contact the Corps for actual answers....

[georger]

While I believe this scenario to be extremely unlikely, I marked "maybe" because, in theory, it's possible.

1) From the Bonneville Dam to the ocean, the Columbia is actually considered an "estuary" - other than
- weather (wind)
- spring runoff;
- Bonneville Dam releases

The river 'flow' in this area is pretty static, and directly related to tidal flow.  You can find on the web kayaking groups from the dam to the ocean that acknowledge the river reverse flows 2x per day (with the tide).

2) The 20lb $ bag, even waterlogged, would not "weigh" 20lbs in water - it would be closer to 13 lbs...smarter posters on this forum can explain the physics better than I, but for me, the best way to understand this is what it's like to lift my kid outside of the swimming pool vs. inside of it.

3) Tidal cycles from low to high in late Nov. 1971 were only about 6 hours. 

Thus, the Q is, is up to 6 hours of reverse flow enough to move the equivalent of a 13lb object 10 miles underwater?  I highly doubt it, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it out of hand.

Good post - weight in water/out of water is the same.

Reverse tidal action was discussed a little at DZ, but there were two reasons why it came up. (1) The Fazio claim the money had come up with the tide, and (2) as a mechanism for bringing things from VanCouver Lake out into the channel where normal flow could bring it to Tina Bar. You can find those posts here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If we could find a local, a diver, a fisherman etc who could supply examples of things being moved in the Lewis out into the Columbia that might clarify a few issues involved.   

[Robert99]

While I believe this scenario to be extremely unlikely, I marked "maybe" because, in theory, it's possible.

1) From the Bonneville Dam to the ocean, the Columbia is actually considered an "estuary" - other than
- weather (wind)
- spring runoff;
- Bonneville Dam releases

The river 'flow' in this area is pretty static, and directly related to tidal flow.  You can find on the web kayaking groups from the dam to the ocean that acknowledge the river reverse flows 2x per day (with the tide).

2) The 20lb $ bag, even waterlogged, would not "weigh" 20lbs in water - it would be closer to 13 lbs...smarter posters on this forum can explain the physics better than I, but for me, the best way to understand this is what it's like to lift my kid outside of the swimming pool vs. inside of it.

3) Tidal cycles from low to high in late Nov. 1971 were only about 6 hours. 

Thus, the Q is, is up to 6 hours of reverse flow enough to move the equivalent of a 13lb object 10 miles underwater?  I highly doubt it, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it out of hand.

Your point number 2 above is completely wrong.  The money bag and the money is going to weight exactly the same thing whether it's in the water or setting on your dinning room table.

The bank bag was not air tight.  So once enough water is absorbed by the bag itself and the money, the total weight countering any initial buoyancy will be overcome and the bag is going to sink to the bottom.

Take the case of a submarine.  The submarine itself weighs the same on the surface as when it is submerged.  On the surface, the submarine displaces a volume of water equivalent to its weight.  However, in order to submerge, the submarine has to take on additional water in special tanks.  The weight of the water loaded into those tanks plus the weight of the submarine itself, must equal or exceed the weight of water that the submarine displaces when submerged.

Ignoring the planes on the hull, if the submarine wants to go deeper, add more water to the tanks.  If the submarine wants to surface, then blow some of the water out of the tanks.     

[Robert99]

While I believe this scenario to be extremely unlikely, I marked "maybe" because, in theory, it's possible.

1) From the Bonneville Dam to the ocean, the Columbia is actually considered an "estuary" - other than
- weather (wind)
- spring runoff;
- Bonneville Dam releases

The river 'flow' in this area is pretty static, and directly related to tidal flow.  You can find on the web kayaking groups from the dam to the ocean that acknowledge the river reverse flows 2x per day (with the tide).

2) The 20lb $ bag, even waterlogged, would not "weigh" 20lbs in water - it would be closer to 13 lbs...smarter posters on this forum can explain the physics better than I, but for me, the best way to understand this is what it's like to lift my kid outside of the swimming pool vs. inside of it.

3) Tidal cycles from low to high in late Nov. 1971 were only about 6 hours. 

Thus, the Q is, is up to 6 hours of reverse flow enough to move the equivalent of a 13lb object 10 miles underwater?  I highly doubt it, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it out of hand.

Good post - weight in water/out of water = buoyancy.

Reverse tidal action was discussed a little at DZ, but there were two reasons why it came up. (1) The Fazio claim the money had come up with the tide, and (2) as a mechanism for bringing things from VanCouver Lake out into the channel where normal flow could bring it to Tina Bar. You can find those posts here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If we could find a local, a diver, a fisherman etc who could supply examples of things being moved in the Lewis out into the Columbia that might clarify a few issues involved.

Also, let's not get buoyancy, weight, and mass confused.

[georger]

While I believe this scenario to be extremely unlikely, I marked "maybe" because, in theory, it's possible.

1) From the Bonneville Dam to the ocean, the Columbia is actually considered an "estuary" - other than
- weather (wind)
- spring runoff;
- Bonneville Dam releases

The river 'flow' in this area is pretty static, and directly related to tidal flow.  You can find on the web kayaking groups from the dam to the ocean that acknowledge the river reverse flows 2x per day (with the tide).

2) The 20lb $ bag, even waterlogged, would not "weigh" 20lbs in water - it would be closer to 13 lbs...smarter posters on this forum can explain the physics better than I, but for me, the best way to understand this is what it's like to lift my kid outside of the swimming pool vs. inside of it.

3) Tidal cycles from low to high in late Nov. 1971 were only about 6 hours. 

Thus, the Q is, is up to 6 hours of reverse flow enough to move the equivalent of a 13lb object 10 miles underwater?  I highly doubt it, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it out of hand.

Good post - weight in water/out of water = buoyancy.

Reverse tidal action was discussed a little at DZ, but there were two reasons why it came up. (1) The Fazio claim the money had come up with the tide, and (2) as a mechanism for bringing things from VanCouver Lake out into the channel where normal flow could bring it to Tina Bar. You can find those posts here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If we could find a local, a diver, a fisherman etc who could supply examples of things being moved in the Lewis out into the Columbia that might clarify a few issues involved.

Also, let's not get buoyancy, weight, and mass confused.

correct. weight of the bag is the same in or out of water.