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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3420 on: August 12, 2017, 10:00:43 PM »
Keep looking into the story...I'm sure these people are around. Tom does do his homework. I might not agree with the conclusions, but he has the power of searching...lots of people with him...
 

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« Reply #3421 on: August 12, 2017, 10:57:37 PM »
I've found Russ and Kristy. In central Oregon - where else!

But they're not picking up their phone. So, I guess The Hollywood Man has warned them, letting them know I'm persona non grata.

Well, at least I'm not persona non gratis, if you know what i mean...

...I've friend requested them on Fb. We'll see if we can at least be friends, if not buried treasure buddies. The fact that the Cooper loot is still buried in the hole - and nobody has dug it up, betrayed their partners, etc - is amazing. Colbert should tell that tale! Colbert says that he's pleased to hear that I'm in psychotherapy, and he wanted to let me know that he has a family member who's a shrink, too, so maybe he can tell us about his inner conflicts, the inner itch, to go dig up the damn money.

The HELL with the FBI, I say. Go dig up the damn moolah and show us some REAL Cooper Twenties!!! What? The boys and girls at our Fidelity-Bravery-Intregrity Division are too busy on a weekend to find Cooper loot?
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« Reply #3422 on: August 13, 2017, 12:01:05 AM »
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I've found Russ and Kristy. In central Oregon - where else!

But they're not picking up their phone. So, I guess The Hollywood Man has warned them, letting them know I'm persona non grata.

Well, at least I'm not persona non gratis, if you know what i mean...

...I've friend requested them on Fb. We'll see if we can at least be friends, if not buried treasure buddies. The fact that the Cooper loot is still buried in the hole - and nobody has dug it up, betrayed their partners, etc - is amazing. Colbert should tell that tale! Colbert says that he's pleased to hear that I'm in psychotherapy, and he wanted to let me know that he has a family member who's a shrink, too, so maybe he can tell us about his inner conflicts, the inner itch, to go dig up the damn money.

The HELL with the FBI, I say. Go dig up the damn moolah and show us some REAL Cooper Twenties!!! What? The boys and girls at our Fidelity-Bravery-Intregrity Division are too busy on a weekend to find Cooper loot?

Bruce,

May I suggest a question for you to ask if and when you ever get in touch with these people.  Question is as follows:

If $50,000 of the loot was scattered over Vancouver Lake and the Tina Bar area to try to throw the FBI off the trail, and if the rest of the loot was buried and remains buried to this day, then just what in hell was the purpose of the hijacking? ???
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3423 on: August 13, 2017, 01:15:56 AM »
Happy to ask your question Robert, but a bigger question is why didn't Russ and Kristy want to tell their story here, or at the Mountain News, or just about anywhere else? Well, they did go to the Hollywood Man, but -

They only contacted the FBI in Seattle and Portland and didn't get the response they wanted, and what, just gave up? They should have called me! Or Tina - she's not that far away... or maybe Allison and get on the HC docu with the rest of us... R&K know where the DBC money is, so what are they doing now? Just sitting around and watching Netflix? C'mon! She's a cop, for Krissakes.
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« Reply #3424 on: August 13, 2017, 01:27:22 AM »
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I'm a little disappointed in Tom..the email was addressed to me as well...just let it go for a while and don't go into any attack mode please...


Shutter

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« Reply #3425 on: August 13, 2017, 02:07:31 AM »
As I feared, I think we are already on different pages - as to what TC is saying-claiming, or not saying. My understanding of what TC is saying comes directly from his pdf he sent out.

TC's money theory is in two parts. I posted about this earlier and no one said a word? So here it is in Tom's own words from his pdf: quote

Part A: "TJC’s Cold Case Team thinks the cash was planted there, just days before being found, by Dick Briggs – the confirmed 7-year crime partner of the team’s suspected jumper (On page 9). The alleged 1980 planting of the three cash stacks appeared to have done the trick: "

My translation: Dick Briggs the confirmed 7-year crime partner of DB Cooper (who is Rakstraw), planted three bundles of cash for the Ingrams to find, just days before the cash was found in 1980. The motive was to convince the FBI Cooper was dead. This plant was seen as necessary due to the failure of the first attempt to convince people Cooper was dead back in 1971, when Colbert says cash and brief case and other artifacts were dumped on VanCouver Lake just days after the hijacking, but sunk in the thick mud of Vancouver Lake out of sight!

Part B: "TJC believes the thousands of “shards” of Cooper money, dug up by agents and an archeologist (see last two pics), all come from a scheduled dredging of the adjacent Vancouver Lake – the purported site of the failed 1971 Cooper cash-drop drowning stunt. The team’s suspect worked on a river dredge, under an alias, a few months before the hijacking. (pg8)

My Translation: Schreuder's fragments found at Tina Bar all come from a first attempt in 1971 to fool people into believing Cooper had died in the jump. Cash and other artifacts were dumped in VanCouver Lake, but sank. These artifacts including cash were dredged from VanCouver Lake and placed on Tina Bar; TC does not specify when.

*We know dredging at VanCouver Lake occurred 3-4 years AFTER the money and fragments were already found on Tina Bar in 1980! Colbert is simply wrong in his date for the dredging of Vancouver Lake. The dredging at Vancouver Lake occurred not before but AFTER the money find and excavation at Tina Bar _ in 1980!


Guys - either we get our stories straight of what Colbert is saying and not saying, and we are all on the same page, or any discussion of this matter is useless. Shutter if you have new or better facts about what TC is saying than I have please say so and present your understanding so we can all operate the same understanding ? Otherwise I am going to withdraw from this discussion completely and you guys can discuss whatever your understanding is, whether you are correct or not! 

 
 
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« Reply #3426 on: August 13, 2017, 02:20:06 AM »
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Keep looking into the story...I'm sure these people are around. Tom does do his homework. I might not agree with the conclusions, but he has the power of searching...lots of people with him...

I find Tom's 'homework' deeply flawed as to facts and disjointed. One example is his erroneous assertion Vancouver Lake was dredged before 1980, and dredging spoils placed on Tina Bar. I think that is completely untrue. Kermit seems to agree with that. Kermit lives there!! Kermit says the dredging of Vancouver Lake happened AFTER the Tina Bar find and FBI excavation in 1980, and I agree with this. 

PLEASE LETS GET OUR BASIC FACTS STRAIGHT ...

TC doesnt present any document proving when Vancouver Lake was dredged!

Shutter do you have such a document in TC's behalf?
 
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« Reply #3427 on: August 13, 2017, 04:11:37 AM »
TC reads these pages - that is how he knew what I was saying about him and from that he anointed me persona non gratuey.

So, Yo, Tommy - why don't you straighten all of us out, eh?

Imagine if Tom, Russ and Kristy all joined us! We'd be rockin'!
 

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« Reply #3428 on: August 13, 2017, 09:56:49 AM »
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Keep looking into the story...I'm sure these people are around. Tom does do his homework. I might not agree with the conclusions, but he has the power of searching...lots of people with him...

I find Tom's 'homework' deeply flawed as to facts and disjointed. One example is his erroneous assertion Vancouver Lake was dredged before 1980, and dredging spoils placed on Tina Bar. I think that is completely untrue. Kermit seems to agree with that. Kermit lives there!! Kermit says the dredging of Vancouver Lake happened AFTER the Tina Bar find and FBI excavation in 1980, and I agree with this. 

PLEASE LETS GET OUR BASIC FACTS STRAIGHT ...

TC doesnt present any document proving when Vancouver Lake was dredged!

Shutter do you have such a document in TC's behalf?


Let me clarify...what I mean is Tom has a lot of people on his team. they may not be accurate in what they present in some case's, but it appears he does his homework to a certain degree. I've posted several times, including giving the same information to Tom about Vancouver lake being dredged in "the early 80's" and that the material was used for the island seen today.

Tom appears to be upset with all the negative comments surrounding the latest discussion about his findings. now, I've read Bruce's comment that upset Tom and feel that it was more of a "pot shot" than a personal attack. it can be looked at as a personal attack, but then I would have to start running up everyone's butt who says something negative about a person, or evidence. when you read back a few pages I've noticed we have been pretty hard on Tom. I have said things that I don't agree with, but always backed him to a certain extent. he has my respect so I don't feel the need to make fun of him, or completely trash his work.

Tom has always made sure to notify me when ever he receives something new, be it evidence about Rackstraw, or new 302's. sometimes before he even puts it on his site! I think some of us should lighten up a bit when it comes to what he presents. it's disrespectful to him since he is on the same team as us in trying to find out what happened. we can disagree all day with what someone presents, but to go past that is where problems start to occur and the complaints start coming in. I will say that Tom picked the worse comment out of them all to lodge his complaint.

I've really learned in the passing months that life is short, and we should value each and everyday as it could be our last.

Shutter
 

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« Reply #3429 on: August 13, 2017, 10:59:53 AM »
I agree 100 % with what Shutter just said about not bashing TLC and I guess I'm guilty also. HOWEVER there are several aspects of this story that certainly seem to defy logic and the facts. Am I just looking at everything wrong ? I have to add another puzzle that baffles my mathematical brain. Coop dumped $50,000 into Vancouver Lake the night of the heist. Then his accomplaces buried the remaining $$150,000 in this secret place where it hopefully still remains. However when the $50,000 attempt to convince FBI that Coop was dead, in 1980 they planted $5800 at Tina Bar in another attempt to convince authorities that Coop ( Rackshaw ) had died. My question is simply ! Where did the $5800 found at Tina Bar come from ? Did they dig up the $ 150,000 they had buried and grab $5800 to plant at Tina Bar and then rebuy the rest ? It's wrong to bash BUT is it wrong to ask questions ?
 

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« Reply #3430 on: August 13, 2017, 11:44:16 AM »
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I agree 100 % with what Shutter just said about not bashing TLC and I guess I'm guilty also. HOWEVER there are several aspects of this story that certainly seem to defy logic and the facts. Am I just looking at everything wrong ? I have to add another puzzle that baffles my mathematical brain. Coop dumped $50,000 into Vancouver Lake the night of the heist. Then his accomplaces buried the remaining $$150,000 in this secret place where it hopefully still remains. However when the $50,000 attempt to convince FBI that Coop was dead, in 1980 they planted $5800 at Tina Bar in another attempt to convince authorities that Coop ( Rackshaw ) had died. My question is simply ! Where did the $5800 found at Tina Bar come from ? Did they dig up the $ 150,000 they had buried and grab $5800 to plant at Tina Bar and then rebuy the rest ? It's wrong to bash BUT is it wrong to ask questions ?


Absolutely nothing wrong with what you have said in the past. a lot of this doesn't make sense and everyone has a right to speak out in regards to what has been presented to date. it's how it's said that can upset some people. that's today's world with "sensitivity & safe space" which I do not agree with, but that's another story. some shots do go beyond a warning shot over the bow, but this happens when you have so many different personalities.

I refuse to try and mold people into what they should say, but everyone should respect someone's conclusions. lets just go through the evidence and see if anything of value can be found. Tom is a pretty good guy, many may not agree with him, but he's far from someone who would spend all there time trashing them for not agreeing with his conclusions. we all know who that person is. Tom has a lot of connections that can benefit us all...

In conclusion, do not, I repeat, do not be afraid to disagree with anyone, or any type of evidence. if this starts, I will just shut this site down. this site was built to go over the Cooper case and discuss the logic behind it, and those who present evidence. sometimes the conclusion may not agree with the presenter, but it is what it is...

Shutter
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« Reply #3431 on: August 13, 2017, 01:22:33 PM »
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I agree 100 % with what Shutter just said about not bashing TLC and I guess I'm guilty also. HOWEVER there are several aspects of this story that certainly seem to defy logic and the facts. Am I just looking at everything wrong ? I have to add another puzzle that baffles my mathematical brain. Coop dumped $50,000 into Vancouver Lake the night of the heist. Then his accomplaces buried the remaining $$150,000 in this secret place where it hopefully still remains. However when the $50,000 attempt to convince FBI that Coop was dead, in 1980 they planted $5800 at Tina Bar in another attempt to convince authorities that Coop ( Rackshaw ) had died. My question is simply ! Where did the $5800 found at Tina Bar come from ? Did they dig up the $ 150,000 they had buried and grab $5800 to plant at Tina Bar and then rebuy the rest ? It's wrong to bash BUT is it wrong to ask questions ?

I will leave names out of this;

Here we have a Cooper Investigator/Entrepreneur with alleged staggering resources who is claiming impossible facts. It keeps happening over and over and over in the Cooper Maldum Fornax. It seems to be a well-worn pattern. What seems to matter most is "production" value vs. fact/truth. If Cooper was a three headed Unicorn who time traveled ... bring it on. I guess we are supposed to celebrate it.

Frankly, I have better things to do with my time.    No! Actually I have some fairly serious things I need to attend to as a living person. If you guys want to participate in someone's social media circus vs discussing the DB Cooper case, then be my guest. Have fun. Have notoriety!  Have fame!  :rofl:

Shutter. The dates of dredging in Vancouver Lake are known. No big mystery there. If you want to ignore or pretend dredging in Vancouver Lake is connected to Cooper money on Tina Bar, be my guest. Let the chips fall where they will inevitably ... 
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« Reply #3432 on: August 13, 2017, 02:08:31 PM »
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I agree 100 % with what Shutter just said about not bashing TLC and I guess I'm guilty also. HOWEVER there are several aspects of this story that certainly seem to defy logic and the facts. Am I just looking at everything wrong ? I have to add another puzzle that baffles my mathematical brain. Coop dumped $50,000 into Vancouver Lake the night of the heist. Then his accomplaces buried the remaining $$150,000 in this secret place where it hopefully still remains. However when the $50,000 attempt to convince FBI that Coop was dead, in 1980 they planted $5800 at Tina Bar in another attempt to convince authorities that Coop ( Rackshaw ) had died. My question is simply ! Where did the $5800 found at Tina Bar come from ? Did they dig up the $ 150,000 they had buried and grab $5800 to plant at Tina Bar and then rebuy the rest ? It's wrong to bash BUT is it wrong to ask questions ?

I'm not trying to be negative but I'd really want to know where the $5800 came from ? Any ideas out there ?
It just seems like $50,000 plus $150,000 = $200,000 and 8'years later we add another $5800 ! It's a proven fact that the $5800 was the ransom $$ so did I miss the part of them digging up the $150,000"they buried ?
 

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« Reply #3433 on: August 13, 2017, 03:16:03 PM »
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Shutter. The dates of dredging in Vancouver Lake are known. No big mystery there. If you want to ignore or pretend dredging in Vancouver Lake is connected to Cooper money on Tina Bar, be my guest. Let the chips fall where they will inevitably ...

I guess nobody reads my comments....I never disagreed with the dates, especially when I presented them...
 

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« Reply #3434 on: August 13, 2017, 11:37:42 PM »
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I agree 100 % with what Shutter just said about not bashing TLC and I guess I'm guilty also. HOWEVER there are several aspects of this story that certainly seem to defy logic and the facts. Am I just looking at everything wrong ? I have to add another puzzle that baffles my mathematical brain. Coop dumped $50,000 into Vancouver Lake the night of the heist. Then his accomplaces buried the remaining $$150,000 in this secret place where it hopefully still remains. However when the $50,000 attempt to convince FBI that Coop was dead, in 1980 they planted $5800 at Tina Bar in another attempt to convince authorities that Coop ( Rackshaw ) had died. My question is simply ! Where did the $5800 found at Tina Bar come from ? Did they dig up the $ 150,000 they had buried and grab $5800 to plant at Tina Bar and then rebuy the rest ? It's wrong to bash BUT is it wrong to ask questions ?

I'm not trying to be negative but I'd really want to know where the $5800 came from ? Any ideas out there ?
It just seems like $50,000 plus $150,000 = $200,000 and 8'years later we add another $5800 ! It's a proven fact that the $5800 was the ransom $$ so did I miss the part of them digging up the $150,000"they buried ?

Kermit, there never was any "$5800" dollars except as a media figure! Even Himmelsbach said the actual amount was "undetermined". Schreuder said "uncountable". The figure "$5800" came from the number of serial numbers that the FBI had been able to count by 'press time' in 1980 and the figure continued to be used, to this day - so the figure was tossed out and stuck just like name 'DB' Cooper became the standard name used by the public for the hijacker.

Many bills in the Ingram money were stuck together. Prior to the money being sent into the lab for separation and examination, the count given to the press and public was $5800.