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[Shutter]

what are we saying here, are we going against known evidence? the files clearly state white canopies on both of Hayden's chutes. the chute Hayden got back years later from the FBI has a white canopy in the container?

The boys from Utah also stated Cooper wrote on flight plans like McCoy did and nobody has ever been able to verify this.

[Robert99]

what are we saying here, are we going against known evidence? the files clearly state white canopies on both of Hayden's chutes. the chute Hayden got back years later from the FBI has a white canopy in the container?

The boys from Utah also stated Cooper wrote on flight plans like McCoy did and nobody has ever been able to verify this.

To add to 377's previous comments on this matter, I have heard of white, red and white, olive drab, and black colored canopies, but never one that had any yellow in it.

There is no reason whatsoever for a blank flight plan form to be on a scheduled airliner.  Scheduled airlines have dispatchers who, in cahoots with the flight crew, take care of the flight plans and they do not use the standard flight plan as used by general aviation aircraft.  In any event, by the time a pilot is flying an airliner, he knows by heart the information required for the form and its sequence, and can pass all the information to a controller in a matter of seconds.

[377]

The only colors I've seen on C-9s and Navy Conicals are olive green, brown, bright "distress" orange and white and various combos of those colors in groups of panels. I was told that the white could conceal a pilot in snow, brown on dirt and green in foliage. The orange panels could be exposed if you wanted to be seen. Never ever saw red or yellow on a pre 71 military canopy.

377

[Robert99]

The only colors I've seen on C-9s and Navy Conicals are olive green, brown, bright "distress" orange and white and various combos of those colors in groups of panels. I was told that the white could conceal a pilot in snow, brown on dirt and green in foliage. The orange panels could be exposed if you wanted to be seen. Never ever saw red or yellow on a pre 71 military canopy.

377

Okay, maybe I should have said red/orange.  But I have seen red or orange on pre-1971 parachutes, unless of course I didn't.

[Shutter]

Back in the 80's when this book came out you really didn't have much to research about Cooper. no internet, no files to pour over, just a couple television shows, and the library. it probably sounded even more convincing when it first came out. it's already starting to have problems just as the suspects have once you start looking into the story. I just don't believe it.....

[dice]

it's already starting to have problems just as the suspects have once you start looking into the story. I just don't believe it.....

One of the few problems I have with it is that it could have very well been a woman with ideas of grandeur and fantasy...  how it was a lonely divorcee, and in her fantasy they sleep together a few days afterward, and live happily ever after... but for someone to go on with the story, on six phone calls, and all of it fits well... And if her, and was a fantasy, why call Gunther, and ten years later no less? She obviously knew her LeClair contacted him more than a decade ago, as there was no book or info about Cooper and Gunther.  For a couple, to toy with someone like that, to waste that much time finding his address, typing the letters, the phone calls, AND over that length of time, would be truly bizarre. This is the psychology of it all that is so intruiging, and makes me see smoke here.  Most couples don't even stay together that long.    I go back to the idea that, unless this were a covert OP by a skunk works group to get funding,, I imagine only one scenario whereby Cooper or his family, didn't come clean by now, for the notoriety. Even a dog wants to feel important, as it is the most powerful emotion.  And that scenario is an untimely death, and then followed by Clara, who was about to come forward until she realizes she will still go to jail, and that she was childless.  That scenario would explain it quite well.    Reminds me of the deep throat saga with Mark Felt... he is a celebrity now, and eventually that person wants to be known, especially before death. Or even John Dillinger, who wanted everyone to know who he was. 
Someone mentioned Himmelsbach may have outsmarted himself, and that is quite possible he was trying to set a trap with lies so she'd get annoyed and prove more that who she was, and slip up as so they could find her, and she got spooked. And that Gunther continued to pursue her until he died, on his own time, is very sublimely interesting. Gunther doesn't come across as some rube, either.

[Shutter]

people try to gain attention for all sorts of reasons. as I mentioned before, Bob Knoss had Jo Weber on the hook for some time before she realized she was set up..he still acts out to this day. I don't know her intentions, but I just can't believe them. they are already turning negative..they are not "facts" or "the ring of truth" IMHO

[dice]

people try to gain attention for all sorts of reasons. as I mentioned before, Bob Knoss had Jo Weber on the hook for some time before she realized she was set up..he still acts out to this day. I don't know her intentions, but I just can't believe them. they are already turning negative..they are not "facts" or "the ring of truth" IMHO

fair enough. people act out for the biggest desire of all, to feel important
But the difference with Jo and Clara here is far more than apples and oranges.  That Clara is narrarating in the first person, as in she says she removed his boots, not loafers, she helped destroy the chute, etc...       again, why call Gunther? That means she was complict with her LeClair to perpetuate that fraud, over what, fifteen years....

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Have you ever thought of Clara being lied too?

[dice]

Have you ever thought of Clara being lied too?

Of course, but Clara says she removed his boots, she destroyed the chute... in the first person here...     not that she was told by LeClair that he wore boots, not loafers, that he destroyed the chute himself, etc.

[Shutter]

where did the boots come from? the small bag?

[dice]

where did the boots come from? the small bag?

She told Gunther, that the public info was wrong, that LeClair wasn't wearing loafers, but that was wearing ankle boots and that he busted his ankle in the fall, and that she had to help him remove it.

[Shutter]

So, we should take her story over the stews?

[dice]

So, we should take her story over the stews?

The stews said loafers?  Or was that false info by one of the FBI desks, trying to solve the case themselves, to claim Hoover's reward....

[Shutter]

I can't believe a conspiracy around the loafers...Tina described them down to the grain...if you dismiss that, you must dismiss anything else they say...the stews have more credibility than Clara IMO..