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[georger]

Nothing much I can say.

[MeyerLouie]

The tie particles news explosion has reached MANY people. Very widely read. That's good! The Cooper story is being kept alive. Some day somebody may put things together and solve the mystery. Makes the FBI look kinda bad, like they gave up too soon with potentially probative physical evidence remaining to be investigated.

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We even have one guy, Geof Gray, who is sitting on supposedly classified FBI files which he smirks & pats for the television cameras but won't tell where he got them, yet to released to the rest of the world? Is Gray also holding and in charge of J Edgar Hoover's pipes and personal memorabilia?     Who the fuck is this guy, Geoffrey Gray, and how did he get in charge of FBI files and evidence in the Cooper case, and why? Does Gray have other Cooper evidence that used to belong to the FBI and the US Government? Does Gray have the cigarette butts too? Why?   
 

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I have always had misgivings about who the fuck Geoffrey Gray is, Georger, and I alluded to it a time or two in previous posts.   He's a nice guy, we met up with him in Tacoma at a bar close to the History Museum, he seemed open, fun-loving, and an all-around great guy.  But there's an agenda hidden under that facade -- I've always thought that.  This guy comes out of nowhere and gets access to, and control of, information that most of us would have really loved to have.  His smirky reply "I can't tell you that," has always bothered me.  He's not one of us, yet he knows, and has control of, things and information.  How so and why?  In any event, he's done very little with what he's been privileged to get so far, and his writing totally sucks.  I've said that before too.  He hasn't played his Trump card up to this very important day (trying out my subliminal communication skills).

Meyer 
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It's amazing all this lack of communication, Bruce.  Too bad.  We would make more progress if communication was better.  No one has gotten any further ahead than anyone else, yet we remain holed up in our little DBC foxholes.  A little collaboration might go a long ways.

[Bruce A. Smith]

The tie particles news explosion has reached MANY people. Very widely read. That's good! The Cooper story is being kept alive. Some day somebody may put things together and solve the mystery. Makes the FBI look kinda bad, like they gave up too soon with potentially probative physical evidence remaining to be investigated.

377

     

We even have one guy, Geof Gray, who is sitting on supposedly classified FBI files which he smirks & pats for the television cameras but won't tell where he got them, yet to released to the rest of the world? Is Gray also holding and in charge of J Edgar Hoover's pipes and personal memorabilia?     Who the fuck is this guy, Geoffrey Gray, and how did he get in charge of FBI files and evidence in the Cooper case, and why? Does Gray have other Cooper evidence that used to belong to the FBI and the US Government? Does Gray have the cigarette butts too? Why?   
 

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I have always had misgivings about who the fuck Geoffrey Gray is, Georger, and I alluded to it a time or two in previous posts.   He's a nice guy, we met up with him in Tacoma at a bar close to the History Museum, he seemed open, fun-loving, and an all-around great guy.  But there's an agenda hidden under that facade -- I've always thought that.  This guy comes out of nowhere and gets access to, and control of, information that most of us would have really loved to have.  His smirky reply "I can't tell you that," has always bothered me.  He's not one of us, yet he knows, and has control of, things and information.  How so and why?  In any event, he's done very little with what he's been privileged to get so far, and his writing totally sucks.  I've said that before too.  He hasn't played his Trump card up to this very important day (trying out my subliminal communication skills).

Meyer 
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It's amazing all this lack of communication, Bruce.  Too bad.  We would make more progress if communication was better.  No one has gotten any further ahead than anyone else, yet we remain holed up in our little DBC foxholes.  A little collaboration might go a long ways.

I treat all of the silence and non-response as additional clues. Why do some people choose to not talk, why do certain people choose to talk with only selected individuals, etc.

It can be like reading tea leaves at times, but patterns of behavior do appear. The embrace of Marla by Curtis says a lot about the former case agent, imho.

[Shutter]

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The Mountain Pass deposit is in a 1.4 billion year old Precambrian carbonatite intruded into gneiss, and contains 8% to 12% rare earth oxides, mostly contained in the mineral bastnäsite. Gangue minerals include calcite, barite, and dolomite. It is regarded as a world-class rare-earth mineral deposit. The metals that can be extracted from it include

Cerium
Lanthanum
Yittrium
Neodymium
Europium

The deposit was mined in a larger scale between 1965 and 1995. During this time the mine supplied most of the worldwide rare earth metals consumption.

This mine is in southern California near the Mexican border....

[Bruce A. Smith]

Geoffrey Gray is recruiting DB Cooper folks to review his docs and help find DBC. To sign up:

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[georger]

Geoffrey Gray is recruiting DB Cooper folks to review his docs and help find DBC. To sign up:

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What docs?

Blevins is available! 

Why is Gray holding Cooperland hostage?    With FBI documents no less !!!!!   

Why doesn't Gray & his publisher divvy up the funds to help Tom or somebody do further testing, if Gray is the FBI's errand boy and he wants to do something real ?

[MeyerLouie]

Geoffrey Gray is recruiting DB Cooper folks to review his docs and help find DBC. To sign up:

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What docs?

Blevins is available! 

Why is Gray holding Cooperland hostage?    With FBI documents no less !!!!!   

Why doesn't Gray & his publisher divvy up the funds to help Tom or somebody do further testing, if Gray is the FBI's errand boy and he wants to do something real ?

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You bring up some major concerns, Georger.  I have been thinking along the same lines.  Gray acts like a sincere guy, but all he's doing is throwing us a bone, which is very disrespectful to us and what we're all about. What....he and whomever gets the cake and he and whomever throw us some crumbs??  Really?  Think about it.... what has he really put on the table, with what he's got?  I don't believe Gray is in it to do something real, I don't think he ever was.  Kaye and Gray are in it for the notoriety -- which isn't what most of us "Cooper guys" are all about....

Meyer

 

[377]

Gray paid a substantial sum to put on the Portland Symposium and he didn't turn it into a slanted book promo event. In fact, he put Marla on the stage which predictably hurt the market for his own book. So before we start bashing Geoff Gray as a selfish disrespectful guy, think about what he has done so far. I see him in a more benevolent light.

Is it evil for him to try and make a buck off his Cooper FBI insider status? As Bruce Smith, Marla Cooper, The Foremans, Bradley Cooper and Robert Blevins can tell you, it ain't easy being a DBC author. There are no regular paychecks, no pensions, no health plans. The dream of a big payday remains elusive.

For those who are opposed to Gray making a buck off of the Cooper scene, don't worry. The Cooper Curse will have its way. It always does. Geoff won't be buying a Ferrari any time soon, unless the People's Horse wins the Triple Crown. 

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[MeyerLouie]

Gray paid a substantial sum to put on the Portland Symposium and he didn't turn it into a slanted book promo event. In fact, he put Marla on the stage which predictably hurt the market for his own book. So before we start bashing Geoff Gray as a selfish disrespectful guy, think about what he has done so far. I see him in a more benevolent light.

Is it evil for him to try and make a buck off his Cooper FBI insider status? As Bruce Smith, Marla Cooper, The Foremans, Bradley Cooper and Robert Blevins can tell you, it ain't easy being a DBC author. There are no regular paychecks, no pensions, no health plans. The dream of a big payday remains elusive.

For those who are opposed to Gray making a buck off of the Cooper scene, don't worry. The Cooper Curse will have its way. It always does. Geoff won't be buying a Ferrari any time soon, unless the People's Horse wins the Triple Crown. 

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377

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Well, 377, I don't think I've seen you go off like that, even on the dropzone.  Usually, you are intelligently anecdotal, you have lots of technical information about stuff involving parachutes, legal stuff, and walkie talkie's.  Lots of good information -- hasn't really solved any problems, but it's very interesting and informative.  Despite your angry reply, I stand by comments about Geoffrey Gray -- and Tom Kaye.  What have you actually done to solve anything, by the way?

  Meyer

[Shutter]

Lets just focus on the case and not so much about peoples opinions...

Meyer, please keep in mind that you have the word Administrator under your name.


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[georger]

Lets just focus on the case and not so much about peoples opinions...

Meyer, please keep in mind that you have the word Administrator under your name.


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[georger]

Gray paid a substantial sum to put on the Portland Symposium and he didn't turn it into a slanted book promo event. In fact, he put Marla on the stage which predictably hurt the market for his own book. So before we start bashing Geoff Gray as a selfish disrespectful guy, think about what he has done so far. I see him in a more benevolent light.

Is it evil for him to try and make a buck off his Cooper FBI insider status? As Bruce Smith, Marla Cooper, The Foremans, Bradley Cooper and Robert Blevins can tell you, it ain't easy being a DBC author. There are no regular paychecks, no pensions, no health plans. The dream of a big payday remains elusive.

For those who are opposed to Gray making a buck off of the Cooper scene, don't worry. The Cooper Curse will have its way. It always does. Geoff won't be buying a Ferrari any time soon, unless the People's Horse wins the Triple Crown. 

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377

Alternate facts always deserve a first reading.

The rest of the real story today is: "

"We’re also in the process of breaking up contributors into Detective Squads that will be assigned to research different parts of the case to focus our efforts. One team will be assigned to the Money, for instance, another to the Sketch, the Flight Path, and on. If you are interested in joining a Detective Squad, kindly fill out our questionnaire here or below. If you've already filled out our form, take another look. We've added a few options. Thanks again and happy sleuthing. - GG."

But of course you already knew all of this, even as you posted above? So 377 could you tell us who Gray's Money and Flight Path experts are? Their qualifications? Are you in there somewhere? 

Will you and Gray be doing your own particle analysis in addition to Tom and four others who have also announced or declared or proclaimed, in other venues? (BTW, I already have a report from one of those guys. You wouldnt believe it! Should I publish a book and expose it?)

Cooperland is really getting crowded with "experts" and "alternative fact makers". Such is the power of the vortex.    Hopefully all of this will be done with, books and articles written, tv docs done ... by the Centennial in 2071!

ps: If this all sounds like sour grapes, it is! But at least one of us is being truthful ... and for good reason. 

[377]

Meyer asked me: "What have you actually done to solve anything, by the way?"

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Norjack remains unsolved so arguably nobody has done anything to solve it.

Geoff is good at generating DBC publicity and any DBC publicity is beneficial. if we go a few years with no more History or Travel Channel type shows and no worldwide stories (like the recent tie news explosion) Cooper will be largely forgotten. We fanatics haven't solved the case. Somebody out there far away from the Cooper Vortex might have some key evidence and not even be aware of its significance. That person may be touched by a story and start figuring things out.

Sorry my post offended you Meyer, it wasn't intended to be nasty. I just think Geoff deserves some credit for the first Portland Symposium and its resulting publicity. It really got things rolling. Maybe he can give the Cooper story more legs. He seems well connected in the E Coast media world.

TK got the ball rolling on the tie. It would have been ignored but for his team's startling initial metals discoveries which have recently been supplemented.

I remain puzzled why the FBI didn't do some spectrographic and microscopic work on the tie.

Let's all get along. OK?

377

[Bruce A. Smith]

377 angry? Yougottabekiddingme! 377 is the quintessential gentleman here, certainly compared to some my monkey-wrench-throwing compatriots.

As for contributions, here are some real, solid facts:

1. 377 gave me the run of his house for 4 days and 250 bucks for a rental car so I could chase after Petey, The Bulldog.

2. Not only did GG subsidize the Portland symposium, he bought dinners for at least 25 Cooper principals, and flew in Brian Ingram and family from Arkansas and put them up in a hotel for the weekend.

3. GG was instrumental in manifesting the 2013 Symposium in Tacoma. Not as much as Portland, but still, he kept the ball rolling, which was critical since the WSHM people proved to be pretty lame.

4. For better or worse, GG is releasing docs. We will be better off because of them.

As for agendas, I don't know what GG's are, but he certainly has some. I don't accuse GG of greed or self-centeredness, but I do challenge him on the question of honesty. To wit: how did he really get such access to the FBI stuff?

[377]

Georger asks: " So 377 could you tell us who Gray's Money and Flight Path experts are? Their qualifications? Are you in there somewhere?  "

Nope. Count me out G. I'm not riding the People's Horse to this rodeo.

The only relevant subjects I have any mastery of is the DBC parachute gear and actual experience jumping from the ventral stairs of a passenger jet.

I'd like to think my radio jumping experience is relevant but it is almost certainly not.

If only Cooper had the benefit of portable radio transceivers and appropriate DF gear. He'd have been located by his accomplice(s) and picked up fast.

The MAC SOG guys in Nam proved that it could work under very adverse conditions.

Speaking of MAC SOG, the Journal of the American Aviation Historical Society just published an interesting article about these ops told from the point of view of a helo pilot. The article claimed that indigenous South VN soldiers accompanied some of the US led long range recon missions dressed as North Vietnamese soldiers.  Harrowing details of the helo extractions are published and extraordinary bravery documented. Some of these recovery helos came under heavy fire while picking up their guys from the jungle. Often they had to hold a hover above the tree canopy and lower penetrator pickup devices for winching up the guys stuck below. They had door gunners but too often they couldn't see where the fire was coming from. Scary stuff indeed.

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