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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2775 on: January 12, 2017, 10:18:47 AM »
Shutter:  You will like the Skydiving Simulator as I know I did in the one here in Seattle. It was fun and we had good instructions and I got four simulations of about 5 minutes each. Not bad for an 82 year old guy. Then we saw what the fellows could do that work there, Wow, up and down and flips. There are some people that go there that have developed some interesting skills at less cost than an actual skydiving from an airplane.

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PS  I have photos my wife took but they are too large a file to post here. Could I send my skydiving simulator photo;s to you Shutter and you could down-size the files to post here?
 

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« Reply #2776 on: January 14, 2017, 05:13:49 PM »
Lots of media coverage about the tie particles over past 24 hours. (or is this old?)

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« Reply #2777 on: January 14, 2017, 05:35:07 PM »
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I would still like to hear what other think about it....where does it end, do I remove PM's because people are discussing things offline? I figured since I gave the reason that all would be fine.....It's only during the first steps of the testing period.

Bottom line is it's your forum to do with as you want! I see nothing wrong in what you have done.

End of discussion, imho. It's been a productive evening/day. 4 Clydesdales abreast!  :)) :)) :))

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« Reply #2778 on: January 14, 2017, 05:50:50 PM »
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Shutter:  You will like the Skydiving Simulator as I know I did in the one here in Seattle. It was fun and we had good instructions and I got four simulations of about 5 minutes each. Not bad for an 82 year old guy. Then we saw what the fellows could do that work there, Wow, up and down and flips. There are some people that go there that have developed some interesting skills at less cost than an actual skydiving from an airplane.

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PS  I have photos my wife took but they are too large a file to post here. Could I send my skydiving simulator photo;s to you Shutter and you could down-size the files to post here?


Sure, send the photo and I will put it on here....

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« Reply #2779 on: January 15, 2017, 11:58:07 AM »
I received a response from Kenneth Widner (nephew of the Anglin brothers). it appears a second part of the documentary is going to be made about there escape off of Alcatraz..

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« Reply #2780 on: January 16, 2017, 08:37:51 AM »
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Lots of media coverage about the tie particles over past 24 hours. (or is this old?)

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It's new. I was going to post the link as well.
 

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« Reply #2781 on: January 19, 2017, 09:18:08 PM »
DB Cooper hits the stage

CoHo Productions in Portland, Oregon has just informed me that they are producing a theatrical production of playwright Tommy Smith's "db."

CoHo says it is "a dramatization of the Cooper skyjacking that takes on three of the theories about his identity (Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Duane Weber). The play is centered on Tina Mucklow and her traumatic experience as Cooper's primary contact on Flight 305...Like the Cooper legend, the play is twisty, strange, compelling, and often humorous, and sometimes dangerous."

I will be attending the January 29th Sunday matinee presentation, and speaking with the audience afterwards. I anticipate that the Formans will be joining me as well.

For more information:
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« Reply #2782 on: January 20, 2017, 01:26:27 PM »
Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Duane Weber...
 
I think they picked some of the more colorful DBC candidates, but not the most credible. Oh well, it's just theater. Entertainment is the goal and all of those stories are very entertaining.

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« Reply #2783 on: January 20, 2017, 01:31:10 PM »
The tie particles news explosion has reached MANY people. Very widely read. That's good! The Cooper story is being kept alive. Some day somebody may put things together and solve the mystery. Makes the FBI look kinda bad, like they gave up too soon with potentially probative physical evidence remaining to be investigated.

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« Reply #2784 on: January 20, 2017, 02:38:03 PM »
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The tie particles news explosion has reached MANY people. Very widely read. That's good! The Cooper story is being kept alive. Some day somebody may put things together and solve the mystery. Makes the FBI look kinda bad, like they gave up too soon with potentially probative physical evidence remaining to be investigated.

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Whether you meant to or not, you have identified one of the central questions in the DB Cooper case - how physical evidence was collected, organised, and evaluated in the Cooper case. It is central to everything. This includes everything in the case from flight path evidence to money to the very profile for the hijacker used to direct a search for him if in fact that is what happened. There were 'rules of procedure' and 'people making decisions' spread out among various groups of people and organisations, that affected everything from evidence collection to the search for the hijacker. So far this is one vast unknown. Carr commented on this a little. Gray ignored it completely in his 'book'. Smith has criticised it without defining it. Jo Weber tried to get one FBI agent fired over it!

So, let me simply ask: what was the procedure for analysing physical evidence and what were the orders given by whom, that determined the lab analysis of all physical evidence in the case including the cigarette butts and Tina Bar money, etc ... which resulted in what we think we know about this evidence today? Does anybody here know?   :))     

We even have one guy, Geof Gray, who is sitting on supposedly classified FBI files which he smirks & pats for the television cameras but won't tell where he got them, yet to released to the rest of the world? Is Gray also holding and in charge of J Edgar Hoover's pipes and personal memorabilia?   O0  Who the fuck is this guy, Geoffrey Gray, and how did he get in charge of FBI files and evidence in the Cooper case, and why? Does Gray have other Cooper evidence that used to belong to the FBI and the US Government? Does Gray have the cigarette butts too? Why?  :D 
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« Reply #2785 on: January 20, 2017, 02:55:15 PM »
How did the FBI conduct their Norjak investigation? - Who made the decisions?

Excellent post Georger. The issues you raise are critical. Here is what I know.

1. Larry Carr took essentially a passive approach to his investigation, despite being active on the DZ and releasing info on the tie, money, organizing the CS, etc. He succinctly stated in the History Channel that he treated Norjak as a bank heist in the sky, and responded as he did in other bank robberies - release all the information that he had on the crime and "let the public bring the suspect in to us" or words to that effect.

2. Charlie Farrell's perspective is unknown, but not unknowable. He wrote a 300-page treatise on his work, but not only was it never published publicly, he and his family have refused to share it with anyone I know other than Geoffrey Gray, whose access to FBI information is one of the mysteries of Norjak. I asked SA Bob Sale to make an intervention with the Farrell family on my behalf, but to no avail. Georger, perhaps you could review it and give us an overview? The Farrells live in Seattle and Charlie only passed away a few years ago. Sailshaw has access to the guys who know the Farrells, like Bob Sale, via the SYC.

3. SA John Detlor was part of the key investigatory team under Farrell and is still alive. John is a nice guy, often chatty on the phone or in emails and has appeared in every docu on Cooper that I know of. However, he has totally clammed-up since the HC docu. Perhaps you could talk with him, Georger? He clearly does not trust me, nor has anyone approached him with the kinds of questions that you have raised here.

4. Ron Nichols was the case agent after Farrell and was in charge when the money was found. Nichols lives in Seattle during the warm months and Palm Desert, CA in the cooler months. He is there now. He has steadfastly refused all contact with me, either in Seattle or California. As far as I know, he has refused contact with GG and Galen as well. Rumor has it that he is old school and can't stand showboating agents like Himmelsbach. Again, I suggest that you contact him Georger and ask for a sit-down. I have all of his contact information, except email.

5. Curtis Eng is an enigma. We saw how he thought very clearly in the HC docu. But he has never fully explained the Marla stuff, nor Al Di. But he was active with Tom Kaye and GG, certainly allowing them access initiated by Larry Carr. But Curtis did allow the case to be closed. I sense that the decision to do so came from above, but nevertheless, Curtis didn't have a game plan for solving the case that I could see, and certainly not one that impressed his superiors to hold off on closing shop. Curtis has rebuffed all of my efforts to discuss Norjak, but once again, perhaps you have the magic touch.
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« Reply #2786 on: January 20, 2017, 03:13:52 PM »
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How did the FBI conduct their Norjak investigation? - Who made the decisions?

Excellent post Georger. The issues you raise are critical. Here is what I know.

1. Larry Carr took essentially a passive approach to his investigation, despite being active on the DZ and releasing info on the tie, money, organizing the CS, etc. He succinctly stated in the History Channel that he treated Norjak as a bank heist in the sky, and responded as he did in other bank robberies - release all the information that he had on the crime and "let the public bring the suspect in to us" or words to that effect.

2. Charlie Farrell's perspective is unknown, but not unknowable. He wrote a 300-page treatise on his work, but not only was it never published publicly, he and his family have refused to share it with anyone I know other than Geoffrey Gray, whose access to FBI information is one of the mysteries of Norjak. I asked SA Bob Sale to make an intervention with the Farrell family on my behalf, but to no avail. Georger, perhaps you could review it and give us an overview? The Farrells live in Seattle and Charlie only passed away a few years ago. Sailshaw has access to the guys who know the Farrells, like Bob Sale, via the SYC.

3. SA John Detlor was part of the key investigatory team under Farrell and is still alive. John is a nice guy, often chatty on the phone or in emails and has appeared in every docu on Cooper that I know of. However, he has totally clammed-up since the HC docu. Perhaps you could talk with him, Georger? He clearly does not trust me, nor has anyone approached him with the kinds of questions that you have raised here.

4. Ron Nichols was the case agent after Farrell and was in charge when the money was found. Nichols lives in Seattle during the warm months and Palm Desert, CA in the cooler months. He is there now. He has steadfastly refused all contact with me, either in Seattle or California. As far as I know, he has refused contact with GG and Galen as well. Rumor has it that he is old school and can't stand showboating agents like Himmelsbach. Again, I suggest that you contact him Georger and ask for a sit-down. I have all of his contact information, except email.

Quite obviously there isn't going to be an answer.  :-X



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« Reply #2787 on: January 20, 2017, 06:15:49 PM »
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How did the FBI conduct their Norjak investigation? - Who made the decisions?

Excellent post Georger. The issues you raise are critical. Here is what I know.

1. Larry Carr took essentially a passive approach to his investigation, despite being active on the DZ and releasing info on the tie, money, organizing the CS, etc. He succinctly stated in the History Channel that he treated Norjak as a bank heist in the sky, and responded as he did in other bank robberies - release all the information that he had on the crime and "let the public bring the suspect in to us" or words to that effect.

2. Charlie Farrell's perspective is unknown, but not unknowable. He wrote a 300-page treatise on his work, but not only was it never published publicly, he and his family have refused to share it with anyone I know other than Geoffrey Gray, whose access to FBI information is one of the mysteries of Norjak. I asked SA Bob Sale to make an intervention with the Farrell family on my behalf, but to no avail. Georger, perhaps you could review it and give us an overview? The Farrells live in Seattle and Charlie only passed away a few years ago. Sailshaw has access to the guys who know the Farrells, like Bob Sale, via the SYC.

3. SA John Detlor was part of the key investigatory team under Farrell and is still alive. John is a nice guy, often chatty on the phone or in emails and has appeared in every docu on Cooper that I know of. However, he has totally clammed-up since the HC docu. Perhaps you could talk with him, Georger? He clearly does not trust me, nor has anyone approached him with the kinds of questions that you have raised here.

4. Ron Nichols was the case agent after Farrell and was in charge when the money was found. Nichols lives in Seattle during the warm months and Palm Desert, CA in the cooler months. He is there now. He has steadfastly refused all contact with me, either in Seattle or California. As far as I know, he has refused contact with GG and Galen as well. Rumor has it that he is old school and can't stand showboating agents like Himmelsbach. Again, I suggest that you contact him Georger and ask for a sit-down. I have all of his contact information, except email.

5. Curtis Eng is an enigma. We saw how he thought very clearly in the HC docu. But he has never fully explained the Marla stuff, nor Al Di. But he was active with Tom Kaye and GG, certainly allowing them access initiated by Larry Carr. But Curtis did allow the case to be closed. I sense that the decision to do so came from above, but nevertheless, Curtis didn't have a game plan for solving the case that I could see, and certainly not one that impressed his superiors to hold off on closing shop. Curtis has rebuffed all of my efforts to discuss Norjak, but once again, perhaps you have the magic touch.

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« Reply #2788 on: January 20, 2017, 06:28:07 PM »
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The tie particles news explosion has reached MANY people. Very widely read. That's good! The Cooper story is being kept alive. Some day somebody may put things together and solve the mystery. Makes the FBI look kinda bad, like they gave up too soon with potentially probative physical evidence remaining to be investigated.

377
     

We even have one guy, Geof Gray, who is sitting on supposedly classified FBI files which he smirks & pats for the television cameras but won't tell where he got them, yet to released to the rest of the world? Is Gray also holding and in charge of J Edgar Hoover's pipes and personal memorabilia?   O0  Who the fuck is this guy, Geoffrey Gray, and how did he get in charge of FBI files and evidence in the Cooper case, and why? Does Gray have other Cooper evidence that used to belong to the FBI and the US Government? Does Gray have the cigarette butts too? Why?  :D 
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I have always had misgivings about who the fuck Geoffrey Gray is, Georger, and I alluded to it a time or two in previous posts.   He's a nice guy, we met up with him in Tacoma at a bar close to the History Museum, he seemed open, fun-loving, and an all-around great guy.  But there's an agenda hidden under that facade -- I've always thought that.  This guy comes out of nowhere and gets access to, and control of, information that most of us would have really loved to have.  His smirky reply "I can't tell you that," has always bothered me.  He's not one of us, yet he knows, and has control of, things and information.  How so and why?  In any event, he's done very little with what he's been privileged to get so far, and his writing totally sucks.  I've said that before too.  He hasn't played his Trump card up to this very important day (trying out my subliminal communication skills).

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« Reply #2789 on: January 20, 2017, 07:35:14 PM »
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I have always had misgivings about who the fuck Geoffrey Gray is, Georger, and I alluded to it a time or two in previous posts.   He's a nice guy, we met up with him in Tacoma at a bar close to the History Museum, he seemed open, fun-loving, and an all-around great guy.  But there's an agenda hidden under that facade -- I've always thought that.  This guy comes out of nowhere and gets access to, and control of, information that most of us would have really loved to have.  His smirky reply "I can't tell you that," has always bothered me.  He's not one of us, yet he knows, and has control of, things and information.  How so and why?  In any event, he's done very little with what he's been privileged to get so far, and his writing totally sucks.  I've said that before too.  He hasn't played his Trump card up to this very important day (trying out my subliminal communication skills).

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I concur with your assessment of GG, Meyer. GG's a strange man, and has stranger relationships with the FBI and others.

But, I'm not the only one a lot of folks aren't talking with.

Here's what I know about FBI pen-pals:

1. Curtis has talked with Jerry Thomas and Galen in the past with some frequency. Also the crew at the HC. Marla and GG, but who else?
2. Larry ain't talking to anybody these days, other than the HC folks last summer.
3. Nichols, nada.
4. Detlor, ditto.
5. Farrell family, zip.
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