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[Bruce A. Smith]

11 minute advance notice on radio shows:

Yes, I admit that I did not give The World much advance notice of my radio appearance tonight. So, to correct that error in judgment, let me say that I will be appearing again on Feb 2 at 9 pm PDT on Spaced Out Radio. I will give y'all a heads-up closer to the date, as well.

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It's snarky missives like this that keep me from the forum.

excuse me? where exactly am I being "snarky"

The planes (727) used in Asia had the stairs removed. why would they care about what it can do?

flying dirty is only done by NWO, or specific to the 727? I don't follow the logic on the flap settings?

Just like anyone else, you can say what ever you wish, but it doesn't make it true. I presented a few things and have trouble understanding your reasoning behind attacking my questions in the manor you have. nobody can question you now? you are starting to remind me of someone!

[Shutter]

11 minute advance notice on radio shows:

Yes, I admit that I did not give The World much advance notice of my radio appearance tonight. So, to correct that error in judgment, let me say that I will be appearing again on Feb 2 at 9 pm PDT on Spaced Out Radio. I will give y'all a heads-up closer to the date, as well.

will questions be allowed, or will you attack anyone questioning what you say on the program.

Just asking

[georger]

11 minute advance notice on radio shows:

Yes, I admit that I did not give The World much advance notice of my radio appearance tonight. So, to correct that error in judgment, let me say that I will be appearing again on Feb 2 at 9 pm PDT on Spaced Out Radio. I will give y'all a heads-up closer to the date, as well.

will questions be allowed, or will you attack anyone questioning what you say on the program.

Just asking

Well let's be fair.    This is looking a lot like 'mix n match' to me. Bruce has previously said he doesn't believe anything Himmelsbach (or his partner) say! Now H is a source! Funny.

What is also abundantly clear is Bruce now has a media outlet - something he has always wanted. Bruce likes to be a celebrity. And to use Himmelsbach as a source, who he doesn't believe a word the guy says.

It;s all very humorous! But also very real.   

Two burgers and a fry .... or two fries and one burger. Yawl come on down. Only $3.00 at UFO Burger Rama. 

[MeyerLouie]

11 minute advance notice on radio shows:

Yes, I admit that I did not give The World much advance notice of my radio appearance tonight. So, to correct that error in judgment, let me say that I will be appearing again on Feb 2 at 9 pm PDT on Spaced Out Radio. I will give y'all a heads-up closer to the date, as well.

will questions be allowed, or will you attack anyone questioning what you say on the program.

Just asking

Well let's be fair.    This is looking a lot like 'mix n match' to me. Bruce has previously said he doesn't believe anything Himmelsbach (or his partner) say! Now H is a source! Funny.

What is also abundantly clear is Bruce now has a media outlet - something he has always wanted. Bruce likes to be a celebrity. And to use Himmelsbach as a source, who he doesn't believe a word the guy says.

It;s all very humorous! But also very real.   

Two burgers and a fry .... or two fries and one burger. Yawl come on down. Only $3.00 at UFO Burger Rama.

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Will the real Bruce Smith please stand up??

[georger]

11 minute advance notice on radio shows:

Yes, I admit that I did not give The World much advance notice of my radio appearance tonight. So, to correct that error in judgment, let me say that I will be appearing again on Feb 2 at 9 pm PDT on Spaced Out Radio. I will give y'all a heads-up closer to the date, as well.

will questions be allowed, or will you attack anyone questioning what you say on the program.

Just asking

Well let's be fair.    This is looking a lot like 'mix n match' to me. Bruce has previously said he doesn't believe anything Himmelsbach (or his partner) say! Now H is a source! Funny.

What is also abundantly clear is Bruce now has a media outlet - something he has always wanted. Bruce likes to be a celebrity. And to use Himmelsbach as a source, who he doesn't believe a word the guy says.

It;s all very humorous! But also very real.   

Two burgers and a fry .... or two fries and one burger. Yawl come on down. Only $3.00 at UFO Burger Rama.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Will the real Bruce Smith please stand up??

 

[Bruce A. Smith]

What do you guys want from me? Really.

You don't want to call these posts snarky? Okay. What do you call them? Do you think they really foster a meaningful dialogue between us?

I don't.

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What do you guys want from me? Really.

You don't want to call these posts snarky? Okay. What do you call them? Do you think they really foster a meaningful dialogue between us?

I don't.

Bruce, your comment was directed at me, and only me. that's why I made my comment, understand?

[Shutter]

To answer the added part of your question, yes, it appears Georger took a shot at you. would you like me to remove the comment? is a majority of his post inaccurate? what do you wish me to do?

Added: my second post was taken from the style of your comments over the years?

[georger]

To answer the added part of your question, yes, it appears Georger took a shot at you. would you like me to remove the comment? is a majority of his post inaccurate? what do you wish me to do?

Added: my second post was taken from the style of your comments over the years?

I just find it contradictory that Bruce doesn't think H is a reliable source then cites H, as a reliable source.
We've had years of commentary about H by certain people, so people's feelings about H are well known. If H knew the CIA knew about 727 stairs what is the source for H's info? Did anyone ever bother to ask him? Thus we are left in the dark once again while H has been stained with unreliability, but now is quoted as a reliable source ... all in the same gulp!   

It's these shifts in POV that I find problematic and difficult to keep up with. 

[Shutter]

my point was the fact of the stairs being removed for anything they used the 727 for, other than transporting soldiers. why would they even have documentation about the stairs if they were of no value to them? the aft area was turned into a sled vs a staircase.

Cooper could of got the idea from this, but he could of got the idea watching the stairs go up and down while at the airport. did he really have the knowledge, or was he bluffing? the bomb might of been a bluff...Mexico was a bluff, and stopping anywhere in the USA was a bluff...he was called on several, and lost.

[Shutter]

The stairs were an obstruction for them. that's why they were removed. cargo wouldn't work going out the back, and zip line jumping the same. they removed, or covered anything to do with the stairs, other than a hole in the back of the plane.

[georger]

my point was the fact of the stairs being removed for anything they used the 727 for, other than transporting soldiers. why would they even have documentation about the stairs if they were of no value to them? the aft area was turned into a sled vs a staircase.

Cooper could of got the idea from this, but he could of got the idea watching the stairs go up and down while at the airport. did he really have the knowledge, or was he bluffing? the bomb might of been a bluff...Mexico was a bluff, and stopping anywhere in the USA was a bluff...he was called on several, and lost.

Im not sure what configurations of the back were used over Laos and Cambodia by 'Air America', run from bases out of Thailand. Maybe 377 has specifics. But it was common knowledge to anyone familiar with the Vietnam theatre of war in all of it's permutations.   

[Shutter]

The purpose of the stairs are to reach an elevated area (obviously) now, cargo going down these steps without any improvements would damage the cargo and destroy the stairs. the zip line type of deployment would also be a problem getting jumpers out quickly.

The answer was removing the hinged part of the stairs, and install sheet metal to cover the stairs that were permanent, or fixed to the aircraft. this allowed the zip line jumps to go quickly. they simply slid down and out of the back of the plane, and the same for the cargo, it just slid right out, also on a zip line. it basically made the whole stair option disappear like it was never there.

The pressurized door remained so they could still reach high altitudes if needed. the door can be seen in the video.

[Bruce A. Smith]

I just find it contradictory that Bruce doesn't think H is a reliable source then cites H, as a reliable source.
We've had years of commentary about H by certain people, so people's feelings about H are well known. If H knew the CIA knew about 727 stairs what is the source for H's info? Did anyone ever bother to ask him? Thus we are left in the dark once again while H has been stained with unreliability, but now is quoted as a reliable source ... all in the same gulp!   

It's these shifts in POV that I find problematic and difficult to keep up with.

Even though Himmelsbach has made multiple factual errors in his Norjak discourses, and on one occasion has lied - about the letters sent to the media and FBI in the weeks following the hijacking - I don't think I have ever dismissed him totally as a source. Himmelsbach is a mixed bag.

As for his claim that the CIA shared critical information with NWO about the fly-ability of the 727 with the aft stairs deployed, it is buttressed by other information, such as multiple YouTube clips and even a CBS TV film clip showing both the take-offs and flight with the aft stairs deployed. Yes, this occurred after the hijacking, in the main, but it is also supported by comments from Captain Everett Johnson of World Airways.

Plus, the capacities of the 727 were identified by Boeing as a selling point to the military, which we now know from company brochures that were shown to the public at the 2013 COOPER exhibit. Add it all together and it is reasonable to assume that Himmelsbach was accurate on this one point.

At the risk of being snarky, have you guys read my book? This material is spelled out in detail. Yeesch.