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Re: New Forum
« Reply #210 on: January 20, 2015, 02:16:09 PM »
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If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

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It's possible it's giving you trouble. all browsers tend to go bad. you can download Chorme, and still keep IE.

Are you still not seeing the video's properly?

I haven't seen the videos that were recently posted here yet but could see videos from other sources two or three weeks ago.  I'll download Chrome, give it a try, and let you know what happens.

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #211 on: January 20, 2015, 03:21:41 PM »
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If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

Robert99

It's possible it's giving you trouble. all browsers tend to go bad. you can download Chorme, and still keep IE.

Are you still not seeing the video's properly?

I haven't seen the videos that were recently posted here yet but could see videos from other sources two or three weeks ago.  I'll download Chrome, give it a try, and let you know what happens.

Robert99

It apparently worked.  I can now see Dean Martin's Christmas Card and the NWA DC-3 video for the first time.  I downloaded and installed Chrome and selected it as my default browser.  Then made sure I was searching for Shutter's forum under Chrome (there was a battle on that point with IE11) and here we are.

Microsoft announced earlier today that they would have a press conference tomorrow (Wednesday, January 21st) about the introduction of Windows 10, which will probably occur sometime this summer.  A story on the announcement speculated that the new browser in Windows 10 would be along the lines of Chrome and others and that Internet Explorer would cease to exist.

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #212 on: January 20, 2015, 03:32:14 PM »
Glad to see that you can "see" the video's now.

I have windows 8 on the simulator. I'm sure it will be out dated soon. hard to keep up with all the upgrades. I'm still on XP with this computer. going to upgrade it to 7 before I save too much on the hard drive...
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #213 on: January 27, 2015, 09:50:34 AM »
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Thanks shutter .... I noticed half the crowd is same as dropzone though ...including some I'd rather avoid

A lot of people are from DZ. I got tired of the constant bickering going on with DZ. I'm not saying I'm perfect by no means, but I like to discuss Cooper without constantly having to go page after page with someone over bullshit. I doubt a forum is out there that has everyone liking everyone. that's a perfect world IMO. disagreements happen, but the difference is in moderation. that's what the DZ is lacking. I will not tolerate constant attacks.

I made the decision to not allow two individuals to post on this forum. it's not something I wanted, or enjoyed doing. it's something that had to be done that will insure free flowing discussion. claims have been made that this is a closed forum public wise, but somehow you were able to find this forum along with others who I never contacted. it's sad we have to constantly bring this topic up, the bottom line is this forum is for discussing DB Cooper. we do have off topic threads that allow discussion outside of Cooper. feel free to join in any of the above.

If you encounter someone you don't wish to communicate with we have an ignore function that can be used that's in your profile pages.
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Re: New Forum
« Reply #214 on: January 27, 2015, 12:47:54 PM »
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Thanks shutter .... I noticed half the crowd is same as dropzone though ...including some I'd rather avoid

A lot of people are from DZ. I got tired of the constant bickering going on with DZ. I'm not saying I'm perfect by no means, but I like to discuss Cooper without constantly having to go page after page with someone over bullshit. I doubt a forum is out there that has everyone liking everyone. that's a perfect world IMO. disagreements happen, but the difference is in moderation. that's what the DZ is lacking. I will not tolerate constant attacks.

I made the decision to not allow two individuals to post on this forum. it's not something I wanted, or enjoyed doing. it's something that had to be done that will insure free flowing discussion. claims have been made that this is a closed forum public wise, but somehow you were able to find this forum along with others who I never contacted. it's sad we have to constantly bring this topic up, the bottom line is this forum is for discussing DB Cooper. we do have off topic threads that allow discussion outside of Cooper. feel free to join in any of the above.

Hey shut...whose quote above were you replying to?
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Re: New Forum
« Reply #215 on: January 27, 2015, 01:03:34 PM »
1000 thingy guy.... ;D
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #216 on: January 27, 2015, 06:04:32 PM »
I installed a mod called "Fancybox" this puts a frame around the photo's, or pics. when you look at the bottom of the picture that you enlarged you will see a function that will allow you to click on it to move to the next photo if there are multiple photo's in that post. you will no longer have to click off of one pic in order to see the next one.

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #217 on: January 31, 2015, 12:30:25 PM »
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My gawd ... I don't know who to believe anymore .

To 1000things.

I understand your confusion. it's sad that this has continued to occur. for the record. I'm sure you can see the bickering taking place on Dropzone.com. I was part of it for several years. Mr. Blevins is very hard to speak with when it comes to this case. one tends to end up in a endless loop back and forth with him. I decided to start a new forum, and prior to this I mentioned on Bruce's blog that he wouldn't be welcome.

Two days after this forum started Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with intentions to cause trouble with this forum. he stayed silent for about a week, and then exposed who he was. I removed him from this forum, including the blocking of several IP's known to him. he then jumped on "hidemyass.com" and began to take screenshots of Galen Cook stating things about Robert. he then tried to claim he did this because people were talking about him, but this didn't occur until after his little stunt. I confronted Cook several times asking him to provide proof of what he was stating. he never did, and continued to use the forum for bashing. I put his comments on approval status, and he decided he no longer wanted to be part of this forum.

Mr. Blevins attacked on a daily basis via Dropzone complaining that the site was censored, and schools couldn't view the site etc. etc. the reality was a program I installed that blocks proxies, and unfortunately schools, and libraries. this was due to his behavior of intruding where he wasn't welcome. the program went bonkers, and locked us all out for several days  :o it was only running about a month, but he went on for months about it.

Mr. Blevins doesn't take criticism very well at all. he asked dozens of times for people to look into his story. I was one of those along with others who took the offer. we found multiple problems with things he stated as facts for years. once this was established he started the "trust" issue turning it on to me, and other who went against his "evidence" as Georger explained, and is noted on Dropzone, Robert first claimed Lyle Christiansen never gave a radio interview with Mike Fitzsimmons. I emailed Fitz to try and verify myself. this is his response to my email.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "

Now, Lyle's first intentions was to make a movie about his brother being Cooper. all of the sudden he has become (in Roberts mind) DB Cooper himself. Robert went as far as to notify his "witnesses" that we might try and contact them. I find this troubling that he is the sole provider, and speaker for all when it comes to proving anything? how are we to believe what these people are stating?

Basically, I haven't done anything except show him flaws in his story. the exact same thing he did to Marla Cooper. almost the same wording as him. Mr. Blevins can't even be professional enough to accept criticism on Amazon.com where he sells his books. he went 89 comments back and forth with a top reviewer from Amazon? this can be seen first in the comment reviews on his page. IMHO he is not allowing anyone to dispute, or even discuss possible problems with his story. he thinks people are jealous, and not trustworthy? that's just plain false, and misleading. a lot of his story is misleading when you look into it.

I don't tell people to go to Dropzone, I don't take poster from there either. several have contacted me through DZ asking for the link, or other issues about my forum, but I have no intentions of trying to shut it down to gain attention here! again, I'm sorry this has to continue, but it is what it is as they say.
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #218 on: February 05, 2015, 09:31:55 AM »
I can't download any files from WSHS ? anyone else having this problem?
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #219 on: February 05, 2015, 04:29:53 PM »
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My gawd ... I don't know who to believe anymore .

To 1000things.

I understand your confusion. it's sad that this has continued to occur. for the record. I'm sure you can see the bickering taking place on Dropzone.com. I was part of it for several years. Mr. Blevins is very hard to speak with when it comes to this case. one tends to end up in a endless loop back and forth with him. I decided to start a new forum, and prior to this I mentioned on Bruce's blog that he wouldn't be welcome.

Two days after this forum started Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with intentions to cause trouble with this forum. he stayed silent for about a week, and then exposed who he was. I removed him from this forum, including the blocking of several IP's known to him. he then jumped on "hidemyass.com" and began to take screenshots of Galen Cook stating things about Robert. he then tried to claim he did this because people were talking about him, but this didn't occur until after his little stunt. I confronted Cook several times asking him to provide proof of what he was stating. he never did, and continued to use the forum for bashing. I put his comments on approval status, and he decided he no longer wanted to be part of this forum.

Mr. Blevins attacked on a daily basis via Dropzone complaining that the site was censored, and schools couldn't view the site etc. etc. the reality was a program I installed that blocks proxies, and unfortunately schools, and libraries. this was due to his behavior of intruding where he wasn't welcome. the program went bonkers, and locked us all out for several days  :o it was only running about a month, but he went on for months about it.

Mr. Blevins doesn't take criticism very well at all. he asked dozens of times for people to look into his story. I was one of those along with others who took the offer. we found multiple problems with things he stated as facts for years. once this was established he started the "trust" issue turning it on to me, and other who went against his "evidence" as Georger explained, and is noted on Dropzone, Robert first claimed Lyle Christiansen never gave a radio interview with Mike Fitzsimmons. I emailed Fitz to try and verify myself. this is his response to my email.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "

Now, Lyle's first intentions was to make a movie about his brother being Cooper. all of the sudden he has become (in Roberts mind) DB Cooper himself. Robert went as far as to notify his "witnesses" that we might try and contact them. I find this troubling that he is the sole provider, and speaker for all when it comes to proving anything? how are we to believe what these people are stating?

Basically, I haven't done anything except show him flaws in his story. the exact same thing he did to Marla Cooper. almost the same wording as him. Mr. Blevins can't even be professional enough to accept criticism on Amazon.com where he sells his books. he went 89 comments back and forth with a top reviewer from Amazon? this can be seen first in the comment reviews on his page. IMHO he is not allowing anyone to dispute, or even discuss possible problems with his story. he thinks people are jealous, and not trustworthy? that's just plain false, and misleading. a lot of his story is misleading when you look into it.

I don't tell people to go to Dropzone, I don't take poster from there either. several have contacted me through DZ asking for the link, or other issues about my forum, but I have no intentions of trying to shut it down to gain attention here! again, I'm sorry this has to continue, but it is what it is as they say.

Good summary.

This all began very simply in August 2010, and quickly became unbelievably personal and hostile, with the arrival of Mr. Blevins. Nothing has been the same since.

Many of us come from other websites and Cooper forums going clear back to 2006 and before. Jo Weber, for example, has been posting on forums since about 2000, perfecting her contention her husband was DB Cooper. About 2008 word spread that an FBI agent was going to come to something called Dropzone.com and answer questions from the public. It turned out this agent, Ckret, was also looking for public input and ideas. For about a year SA Carr answered people's questions and engaged in discussion (some of it very technical) at Dropzone.com. Weber began hurling accusations at Carr and the FBI, Carr tangled with the Moderator Paul Quade, and Quade gave Carr a 'vacation'! It was unreal. We didn't know if Carr would even come back. Eventually he did but for a brief period, and then he left DZ permanently in 2009 and that forum has never been the same. Jo Weber attacked Carr publicly at Dropzone and behind the scenes complained to the FBI at Washington DC and tried to have Carr fired - she even sent a number of people an email tell us that Carr had been fired! It has not been the same at Dropzone since. The trust between people at Dropzone was broken right there. The thread almost collapsed with Weber 'ruling the day' at Dropzone.com.

Most of us were holding on at Dropzone.com just to see what would happen next. Snowmman has been banned, Carr was gone after being suspended for a time, a guy named Bob Knoss surfaced to get his fifteen minutes of fame, and by July of 2010 Dropzone had ceased to be a viable forum for discussing anything. And suddenly, someone named Robert M Blevins shows up ... with a resurrection of the Geoff Gray article on Kenneth Christiansen, and I remember thinking at the time 'this won't go on very long', but I was wrong and completely unaware of the nature of Robert M Blevins ..... and what has happened since August of 2010 and today is now in the record books! I don't think anyone could have anticipated all of this! After August 2010, the antics on Dropzone quickly became an exercise in 'clinical pathology', between Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins joined by a few skydiver cynics vs. everyone else! People began to drop like flies either being banned or vacationed or perma-banned, or just quitting of their own volition. The chaos at Dropzone.com has run amuck out of control, ever since.

Shutter finally had had enough and started this site, as a place for people to try and discuss the Cooper case, and that actually is possible here without personal attacks ... if people will only do it. Shutter has provided all of us that opportunity.

I mean, make no mistake about this. We are ALL under Mr. Shutter's authority and grace here, and that includes me! The opportunity to discuss the DB Cooper case and present ideas and debate intelligently, still exists (here).

It had become impossible to do that at Dropzone.com due to the lack of fair and rational Moderation.

... all of the above is my perspective.

Both Blevins and Webere complained about what I was posting on Dropzone.com. The fact is: Since about 2012 I was biding my time at DZ hoping things would resolve themselves (in our favor). 99% of everything I posted at DZ.com was an attempt on my part to simply hold out personally hoping things would right themselves ... so we could continue "discussing" the DB Cooper case without interference. That did not happen and it still has not happened at Dropzone! The personal agendas of both Blevins and Webere continue to dominate the whole Cooper thread at Dropzone.  So, it was inevitable that I was going to 'hit the wall' at some point, be driven out, be banned, or whatever. The situation was literally out of my control. People cannot hold out forever.

We asked Blevins and Weber clear back in 2010 what their intentions were, and Blevins in particular? If they were treying to close the thread down, prevent open discussion, or what?   We never got an answer, from anyone including any Moderator. No answer - was the answer. Under these conditions, it was inevitable that people would be leaving Dropzone ... including me ... one way or the other. This isn't rocket-science!   ;)
 
   


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Re: New Forum
« Reply #220 on: February 14, 2015, 09:43:26 AM »
markbennett, you are correct about the views on DZ. I went to an older post by Sergio dated Jan 14, 2014. it had 5282 views. each time I refreshed the page two views were added. within a minute, it jumped from 5282 to 5294. it's not calculating views correctly. it's telling me 12 other people were viewing that post? the longer the thread will end up giving false numbers, big ones. the amount of views vs the amount of people joining the conversation don't match.

Post #1 has 310,071 views. subtract half 155,035. figure spammers over a 15 year period, the number goes down further. then you have all the regulars who visit the site anywhere from 5-10 times a day. it hardly leaves dramatic numbers. actually the numbers are low for that many years. we past 50,000 a while back. also, I forgot webpage crawlers, Google,Yahoo, and Bing.

Post #2 is rather funny  ;D

The situation had simply gotten out of hand.

A number of people, mostly anonymous posters, had essentially "taken over" and felt it was their right to do whatever they felt in that thread no matter how many times I had warned. Further, I had received numerous, shall we say, extremely rude PMs from various people involved in the thread questioning any moderation at all.
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Re: New Forum
« Reply #221 on: February 28, 2015, 10:06:24 AM »
I've been so busy in the last couple weeks I forgot to note we have been running a full year.  :'(
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #222 on: February 28, 2015, 05:06:33 PM »
Happy Anniversary! To us!
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #223 on: February 28, 2015, 05:36:24 PM »
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Happy Anniversary! To us!


On the 24th actually  :P
 

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Re: New Forum
« Reply #224 on: February 28, 2015, 09:49:19 PM »
Has anyone had any issues seeing the forum? 1000thingy can't see the site. he's getting a "Forbidden/ you don't have permission  to access this server" error. I've spent considerable time trying to figure out what is going on. the server is also looking into the problem.

Has anyone had this happen?