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[Robert99]

Bruce wrote that there was an undercover FBI agent involved in the Marla matter.  Who was the "target" and what was the outcome?

Here is what I know about the undercover FBI agent:

At the Portland Symposium in 2011, Marla said that two Oklahoma State Highway patrol officers helped her get her investigation of Uncle LD off the ground. She named one officer, Arden Dorney, and after her talk I approached her and received Arden's phone number.

I spoke with Arden several times in November 2011, and he told me a few interesting things:

1. He was not an OSHP as Marla had stated, but was in fact a retired detective from the Elk City, Oklahoma PD.
2. The second officer was, again, not OSHP as Marla had claimed, but rather was an undercover FBI agent from the Organized Crime Division, based apparently in the central unit located in Chicago, that Arden had worked with in a couple of drug cases. Arden felt this FBI agent, whom Arden refused to identify in any manner, would be instrumental in getting Curtis Eng and the Seattle FO to take their dossier on Uncle LD and give it the attention they felt it deserved.
3. It was widely assumed that this undercover FBI agent's involvement with Marla's story gave LD's candidacy a high level of credibility, which Arden confirmed to me, saying, "The FBI trusts their own."
4. With this undercover agent's assistance, Eng got his ass in gear and Marla was off to the races. Come June 2011 and Alex Hannaford's interview with Ayn Dietrich-Williams, we then had her famous "most promising" quote and the World Shook!

and the World Shooka! 

mashugana: nonsense, silliness, craziness, garbage (as in useless).

It appears that the Cooper hijacking itself is only a very minor part of the intrigues and other nonsense that people try to pass off as Cooper related research.

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I wonder what old Greycup is thinking about the upcoming program? he's been pretty busy busting open cold cases. he solved the zodiac murders as well. I believe Kenny did those too according to Paul. 

Bobby Blevins should team up with Greycup. they both believe they have solved the case. they both have a book full of inaccuracies. unfortunately, the FBI (detractors) don't believe either one of them.

The upcoming show should be interesting with the suspect part of the show....

[georger]

Bruce wrote that there was an undercover FBI agent involved in the Marla matter.  Who was the "target" and what was the outcome?

Here is what I know about the undercover FBI agent:

At the Portland Symposium in 2011, Marla said that two Oklahoma State Highway patrol officers helped her get her investigation of Uncle LD off the ground. She named one officer, Arden Dorney, and after her talk I approached her and received Arden's phone number.

I spoke with Arden several times in November 2011, and he told me a few interesting things:

1. He was not an OSHP as Marla had stated, but was in fact a retired detective from the Elk City, Oklahoma PD.
2. The second officer was, again, not OSHP as Marla had claimed, but rather was an undercover FBI agent from the Organized Crime Division, based apparently in the central unit located in Chicago, that Arden had worked with in a couple of drug cases. Arden felt this FBI agent, whom Arden refused to identify in any manner, would be instrumental in getting Curtis Eng and the Seattle FO to take their dossier on Uncle LD and give it the attention they felt it deserved.
3. It was widely assumed that this undercover FBI agent's involvement with Marla's story gave LD's candidacy a high level of credibility, which Arden confirmed to me, saying, "The FBI trusts their own."
4. With this undercover agent's assistance, Eng got his ass in gear and Marla was off to the races. Come June 2011 and Alex Hannaford's interview with Ayn Dietrich-Williams, we then had her famous "most promising" quote and the World Shook!

and the World Shooka! 

mashugana: nonsense, silliness, craziness, garbage (as in useless).

It appears that the Cooper hijacking itself is only a very minor part of the intrigues and other nonsense that people try to pass off as Cooper related research.

To be sure, the Cooper case its "philosophical" side. But, the basic requirements remain the same - hard evidence. Finger prints. DNA. Radar tapes. Flight comms (unredacted). How the Air Force, NWO, FBI, and other contributors interacted to what results in an active case, trying to resolve the 11-24-1971 hijacking. A resolution of the money find at Tina Bar. There can only be finite provable solutions to all of these historical issues.  As Agent Carr said: "you have to put Cooper on the plane". So the challenge remains the same - for all concerned.   

As of today we are light years away from any of that! 

[Bruce A. Smith]

Light years? What do you think will be the contribution of the DNA "phenotype" reconstructions that are featured in this month's National Geographic magazine? Apparently researchers can reverse-engineer a person's physique by DNA analysis. Not perfect, yet, but a fascinating new forensic tool.

[georger]

Light years? What do you think will be the contribution of the DNA "phenotype" reconstructions that are featured in this month's National Geographic magazine? Apparently researchers can reverse-engineer a person's physique by DNA analysis. Not perfect, yet, but a fascinating new forensic tool.

Keep in mind all the FBI claims to have is a 'partial CODIS 13' profile. That is light years away from a 'DNA "phenotype" reconstruction'. It will be interesting to see if the coming program says anything about 'dna' in the Cooper case.

[Bruce A. Smith]

I'm suspect of how crippling the "partial" DNA sample is, at this point of technological development. After all, where does "touch DNA" come from? Is it limited? What's the difference in getting "touch DNA" from sources versus what we have from the epithelial cells on the clip.

Further, I would love to know more about the other DNA samples on the tie. Three males, correct? Who are those guys? Have they been identified? Codified? I'd love to see a phenotype of them.

[Prospector]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

You are correct. The "citizen sleuth and his team of investigators" have been investigating and writing this documentary for five years. In addition, he was in attendance at the symposium. Once the documentary was written, he approached the History Channel and they agreed to air it. He hired LMNO to produce.

Is this "citizen sleuth" the one with 40 investigators?  And please state for the record that it is NOT Tom Kaye.

The part I've wondered about (and if he's still reading here, maybe he'll respond) is what about our friend Prospector?  He posted on here about a new suspect out there and it would be revealed soon.  And, the documentary is in a couple of weeks.  Is he part of that team?

Nope, not willingly or knowingly part of the team.  However, a growing number have now viewed the dossier and I have therefore relinquished a certain amount of control over dissemination of the particulars of the new candidates’ identity and where he can be found.  I may be part of the team and not know it.  Time will tell.

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Nope, not willingly or knowingly part of the team.  However, a growing number have now viewed the dossier and I have therefore relinquished a certain amount of control over dissemination of the particulars of the new candidates’ identity and where he can be found.  I may be part of the team and not know it.  Time will tell.

Could you possibly be one of the four I spoke with on the DZ?

[sailshaw]

Georger:  You say:"To be sure, the Cooper case its "philosophical" side. But, the basic requirements remain the same - hard evidence. Finger prints. DNA. Radar tapes. Flight comms (unredacted). How the Air Force, NWO, FBI, and other contributors interacted to what results in an active case, trying to resolve the 11-24-1971 hijacking. A resolution of the money find at Tina Bar. There can only be finite provable solutions to all of these historical issues.  As Agent Carr said: "you have to put Cooper on the plane". So the challenge remains the same - for all concerned.   

As of today we are light years away from any of that"

I Say:  "I gave the Seattle FBI the facts found in the Public Records from persopo.com that reviled the FLAW in Sheridan Peterson's phony alibi. He was not in Nepal delivering one of his two children born in Nepal at the time of Norjak because of the fact that his son was born in 1970 and his daughter was born in 1972. Norjak was November 24, 1971 so the phony alibi is false and in its self a Federal Crime (lie to FBI) with possible jail time. The FBI can offer no jail time for the rest of the DB Cooper story from Sheridan (he is 90 years old now). I gave that FLAW information to the Seattle FBI Office and Ayn Dietrich - Williams who told me in an e-mail that she had passed the information on (Jan or Feb of this year) to the Case Agent (who I believe is Curtis Eng). 
   The FLAW information makes the Case very simple to solve and if Curtis Eng would just get with it and not stonewall the case, it could be solved by the 45th anniversary (Nov 24 this year). Is the FBI too embarrassed to solve it now?

Bob Sailshaw
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[Bruce A. Smith]

Ad for HC docu in TV Guide.

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Ad for HC docu in TV Guide.

5 year investigation, explosive conclusion, sounds like they found....you know who, no not Kenny, the other guy, no not Weber, Cooper 

[Tom Kaye]

"Five years ago, Tom and Dawna Colbert launched an elite cold case team made up of former FBI agents, police detectives, private eyes and CSI experts."  Is anyone looking into these people? I think this just came out. I think he is the main guy behind the investigation and it seems he has some kind of TV production company.

Tom Kaye

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"Five years ago, Tom and Dawna Colbert launched an elite cold case team made up of former FBI agents, police detectives, private eyes and CSI experts."  Is anyone looking into these people? I think this just came out. I think he is the main guy behind the investigation and it seems he has some kind of TV production company.

Tom Kaye

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It's all pretty much recent news. I don't think anyone's looked into the people behind the investigation...

Five years ago, Tom and Dawna Colbert launched an elite cold case team made up of former FBI agents, police detectives, private eyes and CSI experts. Working alongside a documentary crew and author, the team had one mission: to separate the facts from the fiction surrounding the world’s only unsolved hijacking.

Now a History Channel special on D. B. Cooper is set for Summer 2016, in collaboration with the FBI. The program will feature the elite team’s methodical investigation; tell the stories behind the top Bureau suspects; and test newly-discovered theories. Will the two-night show (and companion book) divulge the identity of the legendary outlaw? And after 45 years, is the case even solvable? Hold onto your ripcords for some truly stunning developments!

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Tom, take a look in the tina bar thread and see if you ever seen this news footage...

[Bruce A. Smith]

Tom Colbert (pronounced as Stephen does...) called me a month or two ago. He identified himself as a producer at the History Channel. He had a TON of minutiae questions on Tina, Calame, and memory deficits.  He never indicated that he was a Whiz-Bango Cooper Investigator well into his fifth year of research. He didn't know I had a book on Cooper, and was reading five year-old stuff on Tina he had found at the Mountain News from February 2011.