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[EVickiW]

I'm actually surprised you guys aren't on a non-disclosure agreement; any other tidbits about the show you can share?

I have a verbal agreement with the show's writer not to disclose what was said when I interviewed or what I have learned during our many conversations about his investigation. Since the History teaser showed the two hosts of the show (Fuentes and Jensen), I did hesitate to answer your questions on who they were. Everything else that was shared with me will stay with me until it is appropriate to share.

After the show is aired, I will be posting a photo of the original NWO ticket that Bill Mitchell showed to Mark and me during our lunch date in September.

Please explain what you mean by "the original NWO ticket" and how Bill Mitchell came into possession of it.

Bill Mitchell's original NWO ticket stub.

[Robert99]

I'm actually surprised you guys aren't on a non-disclosure agreement; any other tidbits about the show you can share?

I have a verbal agreement with the show's writer not to disclose what was said when I interviewed or what I have learned during our many conversations about his investigation. Since the History teaser showed the two hosts of the show (Fuentes and Jensen), I did hesitate to answer your questions on who they were. Everything else that was shared with me will stay with me until it is appropriate to share.

After the show is aired, I will be posting a photo of the original NWO ticket that Bill Mitchell showed to Mark and me during our lunch date in September.

Please explain what you mean by "the original NWO ticket" and how Bill Mitchell came into possession of it.

Bill Mitchell's original NWO ticket stub.

Thanks.

[Bruce A. Smith]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

Even Fuentes didn't strike me as an investigator at his core. Think Geoffrey Gray with a badge. Fuentes has strong cognitive and analytical skills, but he didn't seem like a guy who can probe relentlessly, go places others fear, ask questions that others don't even think of. When I spoke with him in September 2015, off-camera, it was clear his knowledge of Norjak was rudimentary. He couldn't even tell me who the FBI undercover agent was from the Organized Crime Division that worked on the Marla Cooper/Uncle LD case, and Tommy used to be the boss of the OCD before he became AD.

[Shutter]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

[EVickiW]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

You are correct. The "citizen sleuth and his team of investigators" have been investigating and writing this documentary for five years. In addition, he was in attendance at the symposium. Once the documentary was written, he approached the History Channel and they agreed to air it. He hired LMNO to produce.

[Robert99]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

Even Fuentes didn't strike me as an investigator at his core. Think Geoffrey Gray with a badge. Fuentes has strong cognitive and analytical skills, but he didn't seem like a guy who can probe relentlessly, go places others fear, ask questions that others don't even think of. When I spoke with him in September 2015, off-camera, it was clear his knowledge of Norjak was rudimentary. He couldn't even tell me who the FBI undercover agent was from the Organized Crime Division that worked on the Marla Cooper/Uncle LD case, and Tommy used to be the boss of the OCD before he became AD.

Bruce writes:  "He [Tom Fuentes] couldn't even tell me who the FBI undercover agent was from the Organized Crime Division that worked on the Marla Cooper/Uncle LD case . . .".

This is the first that I have heard about an FBI undercover agent getting involved in that, although I would suggest that it was a great idea.  What was the end result of his investigation?  Meaning that I haven't heard anything about Marla going to jail.

[Robert99]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

You are correct. The "citizen sleuth and his team of investigators" have been investigating and writing this documentary for five years. In addition, he was in attendance at the symposium. Once the documentary was written, he approached the History Channel and they agreed to air it. He hired LMNO to produce.

Is this "citizen sleuth" the one with 40 investigators?  And please state for the record that it is NOT Tom Kaye.

[Shutter]

Marla, jail? 

[MarkBennett]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

You are correct. The "citizen sleuth and his team of investigators" have been investigating and writing this documentary for five years. In addition, he was in attendance at the symposium. Once the documentary was written, he approached the History Channel and they agreed to air it. He hired LMNO to produce.

Is this "citizen sleuth" the one with 40 investigators?  And please state for the record that it is NOT Tom Kaye.

The part I've wondered about (and if he's still reading here, maybe he'll respond) is what about our friend Prospector?  He posted on here about a new suspect out there and it would be revealed soon.  And, the documentary is in a couple of weeks.  Is he part of that team?

[EVickiW]

It's hard for me to imagine the upcoming docu to be anything other than what it claimed at the outset - a four hour retrospective of the DB Cooper case. A new suspect? Really? Proving who DB Cooper actually was? Really? This is the History Channel, not Investigation Central, and all of my dealings with these folks supports my view that they are historians at heart.

How do we know this hasn't been on going for some time? just because a production company is involved doesn't mean it started with them?

You are correct. The "citizen sleuth and his team of investigators" have been investigating and writing this documentary for five years. In addition, he was in attendance at the symposium. Once the documentary was written, he approached the History Channel and they agreed to air it. He hired LMNO to produce.

Is this "citizen sleuth" the one with 40 investigators?  And please state for the record that it is NOT Tom Kaye.

That is correct. It is NOT Tom Kaye. 

[Robert99]

Marla, jail? 

Bruce wrote that there was an undercover FBI agent involved in the Marla matter.  Who was the "target" and what was the outcome?

[Bruce A. Smith]

Bruce wrote that there was an undercover FBI agent involved in the Marla matter.  Who was the "target" and what was the outcome?

Here is what I know about the undercover FBI agent:

At the Portland Symposium in 2011, Marla said that two Oklahoma State Highway patrol officers helped her get her investigation of Uncle LD off the ground. She named one officer, Arden Dorney, and after her talk I approached her and received Arden's phone number.

I spoke with Arden several times in November 2011, and he told me a few interesting things:

1. He was not an OSHP as Marla had stated, but was in fact a retired detective from the Elk City, Oklahoma PD.
2. The second officer was, again, not OSHP as Marla had claimed, but rather was an undercover FBI agent from the Organized Crime Division, based apparently in the central unit located in Chicago, that Arden had worked with in a couple of drug cases. Arden felt this FBI agent, whom Arden refused to identify in any manner, would be instrumental in getting Curtis Eng and the Seattle FO to take their dossier on Uncle LD and give it the attention they felt it deserved.
3. It was widely assumed that this undercover FBI agent's involvement with Marla's story gave LD's candidacy a high level of credibility, which Arden confirmed to me, saying, "The FBI trusts their own."
4. With this undercover agent's assistance, Eng got his ass in gear and Marla was off to the races. Come June 2011 and Alex Hannaford's interview with Ayn Dietrich-Williams, we then had her famous "most promising" quote and the World Shook!

[Bruce A. Smith]

The "modify" function is not working adequately. Hence, here is an addendum to my above post:

5. By early December 2011, Arden stopped taking my phone calls and has never released the name of his FBI partner. Further, Marla has said on several occasions that she doesn't know the name of the FBI agent. By Christmas 2011, Marla had stopped taking my phone calls, and her Facebook page and that of her mother and other family members were scrubbed clean. By January 2012, no one in Marla Land was answering any questions about undercover FBI agents, or Marla's investigation of her uncle. However, Marla's ex- John Santore, stepped into the vacuum and has been following her "adventure" ever since. However, John doesn't know the FBI agent's name, either.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Marla, jail? 

It does have a ring, doesn't it?

[georger]

Bruce wrote that there was an undercover FBI agent involved in the Marla matter.  Who was the "target" and what was the outcome?

Here is what I know about the undercover FBI agent:

At the Portland Symposium in 2011, Marla said that two Oklahoma State Highway patrol officers helped her get her investigation of Uncle LD off the ground. She named one officer, Arden Dorney, and after her talk I approached her and received Arden's phone number.

I spoke with Arden several times in November 2011, and he told me a few interesting things:

1. He was not an OSHP as Marla had stated, but was in fact a retired detective from the Elk City, Oklahoma PD.
2. The second officer was, again, not OSHP as Marla had claimed, but rather was an undercover FBI agent from the Organized Crime Division, based apparently in the central unit located in Chicago, that Arden had worked with in a couple of drug cases. Arden felt this FBI agent, whom Arden refused to identify in any manner, would be instrumental in getting Curtis Eng and the Seattle FO to take their dossier on Uncle LD and give it the attention they felt it deserved.
3. It was widely assumed that this undercover FBI agent's involvement with Marla's story gave LD's candidacy a high level of credibility, which Arden confirmed to me, saying, "The FBI trusts their own."
4. With this undercover agent's assistance, Eng got his ass in gear and Marla was off to the races. Come June 2011 and Alex Hannaford's interview with Ayn Dietrich-Williams, we then had her famous "most promising" quote and the World Shook!

and the World Shooka! 

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Realworld developments in Britain tonight: Britain has voted 51-49 to LEAVE the EU. Scotland will remain but now may want Independence from England. The pound has tanked, EU has tanked, ... we may be seeing the first steps in the breakup of the European Union. This will have ramifications for the world economy and the election in the USA.