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[Shutter]

Im sorry but I find this all very humorous and frankly, quite typical.

Yep, I agree, but someone has to set the record straight 

[georger]

I guess the lesson is: Them with conviction will keep preaching, regardless. And the reason for their conviction can only be handled by a Psychoanalyst!  We had one of those that gave advice in the Cooper hijacking and we all know what came of that. 

Georger, If you have more information on this, please post it.

I was referring to the FAA psychiatrist ... in the transcript.

[georger]

Has anyone positively placed McCoy in Vegas? I believe it was a credit card slip stating this? I don't think anyone has shown the documents backing this story up?

good point!

[georger]

Has anyone positively placed McCoy in Vegas? I believe it was a credit card slip stating this? I don't think anyone has shown the documents backing this story up?

It was a major part of Calame's case in his book. They could place him outside of his home during the hijacking. Calame wasn't 100% faithful to the facts, but it seemed reasonable that McCoy was driving home from Las Vegas on Thanksgiving day. I believe there were other times McCoy was "not at home" and "not at Guard Training" that Calame mentioned (as possible dry runs for the hijacking). To me, it was obvious McCoy had a gambling habit he was hiding.

Did McCoy have friends in Eugene?  Anything in the book about that?

[Bruce A. Smith]

After the book's publication, McCoy's widow filed suit against the book's authors and publisher, and her former attorney, Thomas S. Taylor. She claimed they misrepresented her involvement in the hijacking for which McCoy was convicted, and also misrepresented later events from interviews done with Taylor in the 1970s. She sought an injunction against publication and distribution of the book.

During court proceedings, it was revealed that McCoy's widow was deeply involved in the hijacking. Her request for an injunction to prohibit further sales of the book was denied. However, an injunction to prohibit the sale of movie rights to the book – conditional upon the movie including references to four specific allegations in the book that she protested – was granted. Mrs. McCoy accepted a settlement in 1994

My kind of gal!

[Bruce A. Smith]

Has anyone positively placed McCoy in Vegas? I believe it was a credit card slip stating this? I don't think anyone has shown the documents backing this story up?

It was a major part of Calame's case in his book. They could place him outside of his home during the hijacking. Calame wasn't 100% faithful to the facts, but it seemed reasonable that McCoy was driving home from Las Vegas on Thanksgiving day. I believe there were other times McCoy was "not at home" and "not at Guard Training" that Calame mentioned (as possible dry runs for the hijacking). To me, it was obvious McCoy had a gambling habit he was hiding.

Did McCoy have friends in Eugene?  Anything in the book about that?

Not that I'm aware of.

[Shutter]

The problem I have with McCoy is the fact of his timing. it was recent enough for everyone on the plane to identify him as Cooper. it was still fresh in there minds. even Flo was looking under her car for a bomb, so I would think she would of pegged him that early in the game.

I think McCoy was arrogant enough to believe he could do what Cooper didn't, but as usual, as many other criminals, his mouth got him busted.

[georger]

..a nice Mormon family with a dutiful wife...
 

Karen McCoy a "dutiful wife?"

Are you freaking kidding me, Georger? First she drives into the desert to pick up her hijacking husband, but then leaves him because he's late.

Then she throws him under the bus (maybe) and rats him out to the feds (maybe) who shoot her husband dead in Virginnie.

Then she roasts Bernie and Russ' feet over stating/inferring the above and gets a court sanction against them. I believe the film rights were stripped from Calame and Rhodes as part of the settlement.

And then when GG goes to Provo to talk to the Dragon Queen herself, she stonewalls him, gets her attorney to keep quiet, too, and makes sure her (and Richard's) adult children say nuttin' to nobody.

That doesn't sound like any "dutiful wife" I know of, not that I married any of them....

As I said: duty-full wife! It's called - sarcasm, Bruce. I agree with you. It appears to me she played all sides against the middle, but she was trapped, maybe. She needed to shed responsibility to avoid charges. She needed to throw a false defense/offense. She needed money for the 'lifestyle she had become accustomed to'.    That's what I meant. 

[andrade1812]

Calame was guilty of confirmation bias; I believe he ignored a lot of contrary evidence on McCoy. Calame (or his FBI sources) claimed Cooper had McCoy's prominent ears. As far as I know, none of the witnesses put a pair of Dumbo-esque ears on Cooper. This is the most obvious "lie" in the book. I found a handful of other outright misrepresentations, but I'd have to go back through the book to find them.

I remember a few other, not lies, but examples of specious reasoning: Among them, they claim Cooper's hands weren't really nicotine stained, but that Cooper was wearing makeup (Like McCoy). And they said the airplane lighting prevented the Northwest crew from getting a good look at Cooper (to undermine the fact the 305 witnesses were probably unanimous in saying McCoy was not Cooper) even though the lighting was apparently enough to allow the witnesses to see the stained fingers). 

[georger]

Calame was guilty of confirmation bias; I believe he ignored a lot of contrary evidence on McCoy. Calame (or his FBI sources) claimed Cooper had McCoy's prominent ears. As far as I know, none of the witnesses put a pair of Dumbo-esque ears on Cooper. This is the most obvious "lie" in the book. I found a handful of other outright misrepresentations, but I'd have to go back through the book to find them.

I remember a few other, not lies, but examples of specious reasoning: Among them, they claim Cooper's hands weren't really nicotine stained, but that Cooper was wearing makeup (Like McCoy). And they said the airplane lighting prevented the Northwest crew from getting a good look at Cooper (to undermine the fact the 305 witnesses were probably unanimous in saying McCoy was not Cooper) even though the lighting was apparently enough to allow the witnesses to see the stained fingers).

Based on how each conducted their hijackings, I think they are two different personalities with two different cultural backgrounds - two different people with different motives. 

[andrade1812]

Calame was guilty of confirmation bias; I believe he ignored a lot of contrary evidence on McCoy. Calame (or his FBI sources) claimed Cooper had McCoy's prominent ears. As far as I know, none of the witnesses put a pair of Dumbo-esque ears on Cooper. This is the most obvious "lie" in the book. I found a handful of other outright misrepresentations, but I'd have to go back through the book to find them.

I remember a few other, not lies, but examples of specious reasoning: Among them, they claim Cooper's hands weren't really nicotine stained, but that Cooper was wearing makeup (Like McCoy). And they said the airplane lighting prevented the Northwest crew from getting a good look at Cooper (to undermine the fact the 305 witnesses were probably unanimous in saying McCoy was not Cooper) even though the lighting was apparently enough to allow the witnesses to see the stained fingers).

Based on how each conducted their hijackings, I think they are two different personalities with two different cultural backgrounds - two different people with different motives. 

After reading Calame's book, it was very clear Cooper and McCoy were different people.

[Bruce A. Smith]

I concur.

And I agree with you A1812 that Calame went hard looking for confirmation that McCoy was Cooper, and went beyond reasonable associations/speculations, imho.

[nmiwrecks]

Wasn't McCoy only 29 years old at the time of the Cooper skyjacking?  Couple that with different eye color than Cooper and things fall apart for McCoy rather quickly. 

[Shutter]

Wasn't McCoy only 29 years old at the time of the Cooper skyjacking?  Couple that with different eye color than Cooper and things fall apart for McCoy rather quickly.

McCoy does look a lot older than his age. his hair is a comb over, very thin on top. no makeup was seen on Cooper like the book suggests. I still believe they would of pegged him since it was just after the Cooper hijacking.

[nmiwrecks]

Wasn't McCoy only 29 years old at the time of the Cooper skyjacking?  Couple that with different eye color than Cooper and things fall apart for McCoy rather quickly.

McCoy does look a lot older than his age. his hair is a comb over, very thin on top. no makeup was seen on Cooper like the book suggests. I still believe they would of pegged him since it was just after the Cooper hijacking.

Funny, I remember a while back a bunch of guys that said  age matters, and looking older than ones age isn't a factor. How things change...I believe there might have been issues with McCoy's height also.  Does anybody remember his height?