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« Reply #1695 on: June 06, 2016, 12:01:33 AM »
Did anyone see "I Am Rebel - HyJacked" tonight on Nat Geo? I thought it was well done. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Apparently its one of series of programs on airplane hyjackings planned..

It laid the social-political setting for airplane hijackings of the 60s and early 70s. 
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« Reply #1696 on: June 06, 2016, 12:19:57 AM »
I seen the advert, but totally forgot about it  :(
 

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« Reply #1697 on: June 06, 2016, 01:14:28 AM »
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I seen the advert, but totally forgot about it  :(

I was surprised at how good it was - almost like an NPR production. See it if you can. 

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« Reply #1698 on: June 06, 2016, 01:08:53 PM »
Some people claim we are "detractors" while commenting on suspects, really?

Lets see what the internet provides us about Kenny Christansen? yes, we have been through it a dozen times, but lets see what's out there, shall we?

Two different FBI agents..

"He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said."
"Carr recently announced that Kenny Christiansen was not a viable suspect."

Must be detractors too?

Lye Christansen's discussion on a radio program about his brother..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

More from the detractors at the FBI  C:-)

"I'm sure he absolutely believes his brother is D.B. Cooper," said Larry Carr, who has been the lead investigator on the case for just over a year. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you."He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said.

The following paragraph below is straight from the FBI website! C:-)

"Several high-profile suspects have been ruled out over the years. Duane Weber, who claimed on his deathbed to be Cooper, was eliminated by DNA testing, the FBI said. Another man, Kenneth Christiansen, did not match the physical description and was a skilled paratrooper. A third, Richard McCoy, who died in 1974, also did not match the description and was at home the day after the hijacking having Thanksgiving dinner with his family in Utah -- "an unlikely scenario unless he had help," the agency said."

"Christiansen was dismissed because the only part of his physical description that matches Coopers is that he is male. There were other items as well, one of them was that he was a Northwest flight attendant. It does not fit (for me) that a NW stew would hijack a flight associated in his area of operation. The chance someone would recognize him immediately would be too great. On top of that the chance someone that works for Northwest would have said, "Cooper looks like that guy I work with, you know Kenny?" Which never happened."

"The FBI has rejected him as a suspect"

Those FBI detractors sure can be mean, no?  8)

Marla Cooper states an interesting comment as well, lets see what she said..

"Marla: Why is it likely they would they be checking? Because YOU asked them to? ooooh! I'm really really scared now. Here's another thing Curtis told me a long time ago Robert. When "Decoded" did the story about Christiansen, I asked him "What do you think about that theory?" Curtis sort of groaned in that cool Asian guy way of his and said "We ruled him out a long time ago. There's no way he could have done it. We all just wish that guy would just sort of go away." I don't think he was talking about Christiansen, being that he was previously dead by having died before that and all. I think Curtis was probably talking about YOU. I bet he would even "go on record" to say it too. Go ahead. Call him up. Or maybe get Bruce or Jerry to do it. Bruce especially likes calling people up, and Jerry has Curtis's number."

Now, a lot of these quotes are from FBI agents, and yet they don't have someone smearing false information around the internet about them, they seem to agree with our findings, no?

Everyone has my permission to post this anywhere, I doubt it will go anywhere since it's all about the truth and all  8) 8)
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1699 on: June 06, 2016, 02:21:43 PM »
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Some people claim we are "detractors" while commenting on suspects, really?

Lets see what the internet provides us about Kenny Christansen? yes, we have been through it a dozen times, but lets see what's out there, shall we?

Two different FBI agents..

"He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said."
"Carr recently announced that Kenny Christiansen was not a viable suspect."

Must be detractors too?

Lye Christansen's discussion on a radio program about his brother..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

More from the detractors at the FBI  C:-)

"I'm sure he absolutely believes his brother is D.B. Cooper," said Larry Carr, who has been the lead investigator on the case for just over a year. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you."He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said.

The following comments are straight from the FBI website! C:-)

"Several high-profile suspects have been ruled out over the years. Duane Weber, who claimed on his deathbed to be Cooper, was eliminated by DNA testing, the FBI said. Another man, Kenneth Christiansen, did not match the physical description and was a skilled paratrooper. A third, Richard McCoy, who died in 1974, also did not match the description and was at home the day after the hijacking having Thanksgiving dinner with his family in Utah -- "an unlikely scenario unless he had help," the agency said."

"Christiansen was dismissed because the only part of his physical description that matches Coopers is that he is male. There were other items as well, one of them was that he was a Northwest flight attendant. It does not fit (for me) that a NW stew would hijack a flight associated in his area of operation. The chance someone would recognize him immediately would be too great. On top of that the chance someone that works for Northwest would have said, "Cooper looks like that guy I work with, you know Kenny?" Which never happened."

"The FBI has rejected him as a suspect"

Those FBI detractors sure can be mean, no?  8)

Marla Cooper states an interesting comment as well, lets see what she said..

"Marla: Why is it likely they would they be checking? Because YOU asked them to? ooooh! I'm really really scared now. Here's another thing Curtis told me a long time ago Robert. When "Decoded" did the story about Christiansen, I asked him "What do you think about that theory?" Curtis sort of groaned in that cool Asian guy way of his and said "We ruled him out a long time ago. There's no way he could have done it. We all just wish that guy would just sort of go away." I don't think he was talking about Christiansen, being that he was previously dead by having died before that and all. I think Curtis was probably talking about YOU. I bet he would even "go on record" to say it too. Go ahead. Call him up. Or maybe get Bruce or Jerry to do it. Bruce especially likes calling people up, and Jerry has Curtis's number."

Now, a lot of these quotes are from FBI agents, and yet they don't have someone smearing false information around the internet about them, they seem to agree with our findings, no?

Everyone has my permission to post this anywhere, I doubt it will go anywhere since it's all about the truth and all  8) 8)

Is that last part from Marla's snarky response to Robert's email to her?  I loved that exchange.  This was another of my favorites:

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Robert: There has been much research done on the famous Dan Cooper comic book. Even the F.B.I. lists it as a possible clue on their website on the D.B. Cooper page. The comic is in French, and was mostly distributed in France, Belgium, eastern Canada, and some other parts of Europe. Very few copies reached the United States. Yet, you claim L.D. Cooper had several copies pinned to the wall of his bedroom at your grandmother's house. Do you have any theories on how he might have obtained them?

Marla Cooper: Yes I do. He had a car. I'm pretty sure he could drive it. The trek to Canada isn't impossible under those circumstances.....
 

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« Reply #1700 on: June 06, 2016, 02:37:12 PM »
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Is that last part from Marla's snarky response to Robert's email to her?

That would be correct....

Just imagine if those two would ban together, both are very similar in stories, and personalities  O0

Although, Marla actually has a following (*laughs*)
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« Reply #1701 on: June 06, 2016, 05:07:34 PM »
Love your stuff, Shut, but you do post one element about McCoy that is quite contentious. The Seattle FO resolutely claims that Richard McCoy was at home in Provo, Utah for Thanksgiving dinner with family. Yet, Russ Calame, SAC Salt Lake City FO, has proven that McCoy was in Las Vegas at that time, getting gas on the 24th, and then calling home, collect, from Sin City on the evening of the 25th.
 

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« Reply #1702 on: June 06, 2016, 05:22:09 PM »
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Some people claim we are "detractors" while commenting on suspects, really?

Lets see what the internet provides us about Kenny Christansen? yes, we have been through it a dozen times, but lets see what's out there, shall we?

Two different FBI agents..

"He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said."
"Carr recently announced that Kenny Christiansen was not a viable suspect."

Must be detractors too?

Lye Christansen's discussion on a radio program about his brother..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

More from the detractors at the FBI  C:-)

"I'm sure he absolutely believes his brother is D.B. Cooper," said Larry Carr, who has been the lead investigator on the case for just over a year. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you."He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said.

The following comments are straight from the FBI website! C:-)

"Several high-profile suspects have been ruled out over the years. Duane Weber, who claimed on his deathbed to be Cooper, was eliminated by DNA testing, the FBI said. Another man, Kenneth Christiansen, did not match the physical description and was a skilled paratrooper. A third, Richard McCoy, who died in 1974, also did not match the description and was at home the day after the hijacking having Thanksgiving dinner with his family in Utah -- "an unlikely scenario unless he had help," the agency said."

"Christiansen was dismissed because the only part of his physical description that matches Coopers is that he is male. There were other items as well, one of them was that he was a Northwest flight attendant. It does not fit (for me) that a NW stew would hijack a flight associated in his area of operation. The chance someone would recognize him immediately would be too great. On top of that the chance someone that works for Northwest would have said, "Cooper looks like that guy I work with, you know Kenny?" Which never happened."

"The FBI has rejected him as a suspect"

Those FBI detractors sure can be mean, no?  8)

Marla Cooper states an interesting comment as well, lets see what she said..

"Marla: Why is it likely they would they be checking? Because YOU asked them to? ooooh! I'm really really scared now. Here's another thing Curtis told me a long time ago Robert. When "Decoded" did the story about Christiansen, I asked him "What do you think about that theory?" Curtis sort of groaned in that cool Asian guy way of his and said "We ruled him out a long time ago. There's no way he could have done it. We all just wish that guy would just sort of go away." I don't think he was talking about Christiansen, being that he was previously dead by having died before that and all. I think Curtis was probably talking about YOU. I bet he would even "go on record" to say it too. Go ahead. Call him up. Or maybe get Bruce or Jerry to do it. Bruce especially likes calling people up, and Jerry has Curtis's number."

Now, a lot of these quotes are from FBI agents, and yet they don't have someone smearing false information around the internet about them, they seem to agree with our findings, no?

Everyone has my permission to post this anywhere, I doubt it will go anywhere since it's all about the truth and all  8) 8)

Is that last part from Marla's snarky response to Robert's email to her?  I loved that exchange.  This was another of my favorites:

Quote:
Robert: There has been much research done on the famous Dan Cooper comic book. Even the F.B.I. lists it as a possible clue on their website on the D.B. Cooper page. The comic is in French, and was mostly distributed in France, Belgium, eastern Canada, and some other parts of Europe. Very few copies reached the United States. Yet, you claim L.D. Cooper had several copies pinned to the wall of his bedroom at your grandmother's house. Do you have any theories on how he might have obtained them?

Marla Cooper: Yes I do. He had a car. I'm pretty sure he could drive it. The trek to Canada isn't impossible under those circumstances.....

Im sorry but I find this all very humorous and frankly, quite typical.

I guess the lesson is: Them with conviction will keep preaching, regardless. And the reason for their conviction can only be handled by a Psychoanalyst!  :)) We had one of those that gave advice in the Cooper hijacking and we all know what came of that.  ::)
 

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« Reply #1703 on: June 06, 2016, 05:29:09 PM »
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Love your stuff, Shut, but you do post one element about McCoy that is quite contentious. The Seattle FO resolutely claims that Richard McCoy was at home in Provo, Utah for Thanksgiving dinner with family. Yet, Russ Calame, SAC Salt Lake City FO, has proven that McCoy was in Las Vegas at that time, getting gas on the 24th, and then calling home, collect, from Sin City on the evening of the 25th.

McCoy was definitely a character! A real life 'buzz bomb'. Studying to be a college professor, flying hellos in the Ntl Guard, raising a nice Mormon family with a dutiful wife, hijacking airplanes on the side, and God only knows what else. With a duffle bag full of money just inside his bedroom closet door. I mean, my God what a boring life I lead!  :)) 
 

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« Reply #1704 on: June 06, 2016, 05:39:26 PM »
Has anyone positively placed McCoy in Vegas? I believe it was a credit card slip stating this? I don't think anyone has shown the documents backing this story up?
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I guess the lesson is: Them with conviction will keep preaching, regardless. And the reason for their conviction can only be handled by a Psychoanalyst!  :)) We had one of those that gave advice in the Cooper hijacking and we all know what came of that.  ::)

Georger, If you have more information on this, please post it. :)
 

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« Reply #1706 on: June 06, 2016, 06:06:06 PM »
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Has anyone positively placed McCoy in Vegas? I believe it was a credit card slip stating this? I don't think anyone has shown the documents backing this story up?

It was a major part of Calame's case in his book. They could place him outside of his home during the hijacking. Calame wasn't 100% faithful to the facts, but it seemed reasonable that McCoy was driving home from Las Vegas on Thanksgiving day. I believe there were other times McCoy was "not at home" and "not at Guard Training" that Calame mentioned (as possible dry runs for the hijacking). To me, it was obvious McCoy had a gambling habit he was hiding.
 

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« Reply #1707 on: June 06, 2016, 06:35:47 PM »
What facts from Calame are not truthful? I have not heard of anyone doubting his presentation of evidence.

As I understand from Calame and Rhodes in their book: McCoy bought gas in Las Vegas on the 24th, and made a collect phone call from Las Vegas on Thanksgiving evening at 10 pm.

But, does anyone really believe that McCoy drove all night on the 24th after he bought his gas to be back home in Provo for turkey dinner as the Seattle FBI say, and then after din-din turned around and drove back to Las Vegas to be there T-Day night, as Calame has shown?

The only inconsistently, or insufficiently developed material in Calame and Rhodes' book - from my point of view - is the somewhat cryptic discussion of the $8,000 McCoy had after Thanksgiving that allowed him to fly his family to North Carolina for a vacation. Calame says he has the credit card verification for all this. Where did McCoy get this moolah? Blackjack? Norjak? DBC Extraction Team pay? Calame doesn't say and that is a major failing.

However, the use of credit cards begs another question: would a truly crafty hijacker EVER use credit cards for anything even remotely associated with his skyjacking? Said another way, would any SOG trooper you have heard of use their credit card to buy gas on the way home from a mission? Would SGTM Billy Waugh do that? I think not.

Would DB Cooper???

Would a stupid extraction team driver? Maybe, such as one who stole $500,000 five months later and then shoved it haphazardly into a stove pipe in his basement because he didn't know what else to do with it.
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« Reply #1708 on: June 06, 2016, 07:10:47 PM »
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..a nice Mormon family with a dutiful wife...
 

Karen McCoy a "dutiful wife?"

Are you freaking kidding me, Georger? First she drives into the desert to pick up her hijacking husband, but then leaves him because he's late.

Then she throws him under the bus (maybe) and rats him out to the feds (maybe) who shoot her husband dead in Virginnie.

Then she roasts Bernie and Russ' feet over stating/inferring the above and gets a court sanction against them. I believe the film rights were stripped from Calame and Rhodes as part of the settlement.

And then when GG goes to Provo to talk to the Dragon Queen herself, she stonewalls him, gets her attorney to keep quiet, too, and makes sure her (and Richard's) adult children say nuttin' to nobody.

That doesn't sound like any "dutiful wife" I know of, not that I married any of them....
 

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« Reply #1709 on: June 06, 2016, 07:40:38 PM »
After the book's publication, McCoy's widow filed suit against the book's authors and publisher, and her former attorney, Thomas S. Taylor. She claimed they misrepresented her involvement in the hijacking for which McCoy was convicted, and also misrepresented later events from interviews done with Taylor in the 1970s. She sought an injunction against publication and distribution of the book.

During court proceedings, it was revealed that McCoy's widow was deeply involved in the hijacking. Her request for an injunction to prohibit further sales of the book was denied. However, an injunction to prohibit the sale of movie rights to the book – conditional upon the movie including references to four specific allegations in the book that she protested – was granted. Mrs. McCoy accepted a settlement in 1994
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