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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1590 on: May 15, 2016, 01:38:08 PM »
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The funding doesn't look very good for Ariel/Bryan. a total of 5 people have pitched in money. Bobby has a very weak public, and it appears the fund raising is over his head.

Funding Site #1  $85.00
Funding Site #2   $0.00

Bryan needs to regroup and find someone who can actually help him raise some money for his cause. I still think $35,000 is a lot of money to ask for.

I don't fault someone for trying, and based on what he says some of the local contributions will not come from the online sites, but direct contributions.  Also, it's turning more into a work party, rather than a fund raiser.  So, even if it's not what he expected, it's not nothing either.

That was a lot of money to raise.  It's unfortunate the Robert set it up also as a way to settle personal scores with people he doesn't like.  But, even if he hadn't, I doubt he'd have been able to raise that much money.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1591 on: May 15, 2016, 01:45:14 PM »
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I think media attention is the only hope for reviving FBI interest in the case.

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Two Cooper related news bites. First a news blogger reported the following about Lepsy. However, the article that caught my eye revolves around the second story on his page regarding a James (Jim) Hugh Macdonald, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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This MacDonald guy is interesting...although, he disappeared after the hijacking and nowhere does it say anything about him being gone two weeks prior to his disappearance.

I was thinking about this guy and remembered a few years ago Tom Kaye brought up a pilot from Canada who disappeared shortly after the hijacking.   I went back and looked and it was indeed MacDonald he brought up.

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Get yourself a map of Manitoba, Canada and take a look at what lies between Thompson and Winnipeg.  Remember that the temperature was 30 degrees Centigrade below zero (about 22 degrees Fahrenheit below zero) for the flight.

MacDonald is probably at the bottom of Lake Winnipeg or one of those smaller lakes between Thompson and Winnipeg.

Yep...I read the posts after Tom's, and that's exactly what you (Robert99) said after the initial post.   Not sure why the guy who wrote the blog  Vicki found (or Tom Kaye) thought they might be a suspect.  It's his whereabouts at the time of the hijacking, not two weeks after, that would seem to be relevant.

Some of Tom's ideas are "hair brained". Some plain stupid and myopic. Like particles of makeup on a tie mean the wearer was a "womanizer"? Why not a womanizing sailor machinist on board a Russian submarine?  :)) It never would occur to Tom that the makeup was on the tie because the makeup was on the guy wearing the tie, and the only woman it came from was the woman at Penny's that sold the makeup to the guy now wearing the tie ... which could have to do with camouflage and survival! now that the guy is hijacking a plane intending to parachute from a plane at night in cold wet weather? and has nothing to do with secular pronouncements about Cooper's morality and sex life?! Give us a break!! Oh well. Common sense is hard to find these daze! Its our stressful modern isolation at work!  8)     

Interesting observation, Georger, although I personally wouldn't have used the term "hare brained", I see your point.   I would phrase it more that he is willing to jump to conclusions.

I saw Tom speak at a couple of the symposiums.  In 2013, in Tacoma, he was talking about the Amboy chute.  He implied if it were him, he would have dug deeper below the chute to see if anything (a body, a brief case) was under it.  That struck me as odd because I had never heard the FBI didn't do that.

In the 2011 symposium, he speculated the Cooper might be Canadian because of the term "negotiable American currency" was used.   That also struck me as odd because that was some else's notes, not his -- and that sounds like something you'd ask if you watch a lot of crime movies, not necessarily foreign.

So, I see your point, Georger.

That said, Tom is a very good speaker and his use of Google Earth images of the suspected drop zone (at the 2011 symposium) which showed just how much of it is wide open farmland, not the dense woods we'd all heard was very enlightening and really eye-opening.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1592 on: May 15, 2016, 03:34:00 PM »
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I think media attention is the only hope for reviving FBI interest in the case.

377

 :)  !

Two Cooper related news bites. First a news blogger reported the following about Lepsy. However, the article that caught my eye revolves around the second story on his page regarding a James (Jim) Hugh Macdonald, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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This MacDonald guy is interesting...although, he disappeared after the hijacking and nowhere does it say anything about him being gone two weeks prior to his disappearance.

I was thinking about this guy and remembered a few years ago Tom Kaye brought up a pilot from Canada who disappeared shortly after the hijacking.   I went back and looked and it was indeed MacDonald he brought up.

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Get yourself a map of Manitoba, Canada and take a look at what lies between Thompson and Winnipeg.  Remember that the temperature was 30 degrees Centigrade below zero (about 22 degrees Fahrenheit below zero) for the flight.

MacDonald is probably at the bottom of Lake Winnipeg or one of those smaller lakes between Thompson and Winnipeg.

Yep...I read the posts after Tom's, and that's exactly what you (Robert99) said after the initial post.   Not sure why the guy who wrote the blog  Vicki found (or Tom Kaye) thought they might be a suspect.  It's his whereabouts at the time of the hijacking, not two weeks after, that would seem to be relevant.

Some of Tom's ideas are "hair brained". Some plain stupid and myopic. Like particles of makeup on a tie mean the wearer was a "womanizer"? Why not a womanizing sailor machinist on board a Russian submarine?  :)) It never would occur to Tom that the makeup was on the tie because the makeup was on the guy wearing the tie, and the only woman it came from was the woman at Penny's that sold the makeup to the guy now wearing the tie ... which could have to do with camouflage and survival! now that the guy is hijacking a plane intending to parachute from a plane at night in cold wet weather? and has nothing to do with secular pronouncements about Cooper's morality and sex life?! Give us a break!! Oh well. Common sense is hard to find these daze! Its our stressful modern isolation at work!  8)     

Interesting observation, Georger, although I personally wouldn't have used the term "hare brained", I see your point.   I would phrase it more that he is willing to jump to conclusions.

I saw Tom speak at a couple of the symposiums.  In 2013, in Tacoma, he was talking about the Amboy chute.  He implied if it were him, he would have dug deeper below the chute to see if anything (a body, a brief case) was under it.  That struck me as odd because I had never heard the FBI didn't do that.

In the 2011 symposium, he speculated the Cooper might be Canadian because of the term "negotiable American currency" was used.   That also struck me as odd because that was some else's notes, not his -- and that sounds like something you'd ask if you watch a lot of crime movies, not necessarily foreign.

So, I see your point, Georger.

That said, Tom is a very good speaker and his use of Google Earth images of the suspected drop zone (at the 2011 symposium) which showed just how much of it is wide open farmland, not the dense woods we'd all heard was very enlightening and really eye-opening.

I sometimes 'revert to type' as we say it in academic circles, and am too harsh or critical. Make no mistake about it: Tom's contributions to the Cooper case are singular and unparalleled, to date. Im glad Tom came on board. Without Tom there would not exist the data that now exists. And it is because of "that" that I am critical when anyone jumps to conclusions that I feel are unwarranted or unjustifiable/premature. So its a personal thing with me and I freely admit it. I am just frustrated that we could have done a lot more, and so little has been done with what Tom accomplished. I would have liked to have seen a closer deeper forensic relationship between Tom and the FBI, but I gather the FBI was not willing or able to supply files and information and a working relationship that might have proved crucial to Tom, and others. I find myself in the peculiar position of defending Tom "to the hilt" and then being critical at the same time. That's not a comfortable position to be in. I knew the minute the world found out about this work there would be problems and distractions. It's not a comfortable position for any serious researcher to be in... at the end of the day Tom has produced valuable data that did not exist prior to this joint effort (between Carr and Tom).

To answer Toms's question: yes, there were other facilities and people always at my disposal. Tom was not chosen blindly without very substantial backup. Without that the offer to Agent Carr to help, would not have been made. Those bonafides were given right at the outset before Tom even came into the picture.

Specifically, I have no idea what the FBI did, or did not do at the Amboy chute site. How deep they dug or anything related to that. Like you, I am just a spectator in that whole matter. I do know determining the material the chute was made from would be an extremely easy test ... as we discussed at DZ at the time. I do remember several exchanges 377 and I had at the time, and Im still laughing about that. But the type of material does seem crucial to knowing if it was a Cooper chute or not.
   
I thought the Canadian connection was Carol's work, not Tom's. Tom may agree with what Coral thought, but I have no idea what the current status of that is.

I have always thought Flo's remark that the hijacker was of Latin descent (and was wearing makeup?) could be crucial observations. If Flo was correct then possibly the Cooper hijacking fits into the scenario of Cuban inspired hijackings that were happening during the same era?  Other testimony wondered if there was a Eugene connection.

But again, all of this is in the hands of the FBI and related agencies. There is only so much a private citizen can, or should, do. I think the best any of us can do is make educated guesses, and leave it at that. 

 
   

 

   
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1593 on: May 15, 2016, 04:34:21 PM »
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That was a lot of money to raise.  It's unfortunate the Robert set it up also as a way to settle personal scores with people he doesn't like.  But, even if he hadn't, I doubt he'd have been able to raise that much money.

Bryan gave an estimate of $50,000. I don't know how accurate that number is, but that again is a lot of money. Robert thought since the fund raising site was "number 1" it would be a "plug n play" raiser, and automatically bring the money in. fund raising is hard work, not just Facebook and a few emails here and there. being spiteful, or vindictive didn't get him anywhere either. nobody commented, or liked his rants. none of that should of been brought up while trying to raise money.

Is it really going to have a store? open year round, and not just one week a year? where are the renderings showing what the place will look like once construction is complete?

His intentions are questionable. Washington, like any other state has plenty of people in need. when I see him doing something where he can't self promote his books, and Kenny, I'll give him all the credit he wishes.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1594 on: May 15, 2016, 05:25:01 PM »
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That was a lot of money to raise.  It's unfortunate the Robert set it up also as a way to settle personal scores with people he doesn't like.  But, even if he hadn't, I doubt he'd have been able to raise that much money.

Bryan gave an estimate of $50,000. I don't know how accurate that number is, but that again is a lot of money. Robert thought since the fund raising site was "number 1" it would be a "plug n play" raiser, and automatically bring the money in. fund raising is hard work, not just Facebook and a few emails here and there. being spiteful, or vindictive didn't get him anywhere either. nobody commented, or liked his rants. none of that should of been brought up while trying to raise money.

Is it really going to have a store? open year round, and not just one week a year? where are the renderings showing what the place will look like once construction is complete?

His intentions are questionable. Washington, like any other state has plenty of people in need. when I see him doing something where he can't self promote his books, and Kenny, I'll give him all the credit he wishes.

So far as the world knows, Cooper never landed on the roof of the store, never visited the store, never slept at the store (or under it!), never had a beer at the store, and didn't leave his bomb or his chute(s) at the store. Never had any relationship with the store. No particles on the tie link up with the store. Hmmm. Miller Lite on tap? Do we have a census on the bars in that area Cooper could have visited?  :)) :)) :))     Was any beer missing in that area in 1971? How many years has the old toilet been sitting outside that store? Was the toilet there in 1971?  :-X 
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« Reply #1595 on: May 15, 2016, 08:35:58 PM »
A few days back, and apparently on another subject thread, a question about the possibility of Cooper wearing make-up so as to appear as a Latin male was raised.

Here is a direct quote from post number 436, September 7, 2007, by Ckret [this was his first post and he had joined DZ that very day] on the original DZ Cooper thread:

"-He [Cooper] had olive skin (no make-up, neither Mucklow, Schaffner or Hancock made comment on make-up which would have been very obvious.  Again, do the math, put dark make-up on someone then sit next to them with your shoulders touching, you can see the make-up.)"

Ckret's posts on DZ have been collected into one file by Fred Poyner's group at the WSHM.  I think Shutter has a direct link to that file somewhere on this site.

My suggestion is that everyone on this site download and print out the Ckret posts from DZ.  Then read them.  They will provide an authoritative answer to many questions asked on this site while minimizing the amount of misinformation and disinformation that gets into circulation.
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« Reply #1596 on: May 15, 2016, 08:58:24 PM »
He also mentions wigs, how obvious it would be wearing one from that period.

A link to Carr's posts are in the WSHS/Transcript thread on this site...

They are also on our website.....

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« Reply #1597 on: May 15, 2016, 09:27:05 PM »
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend....

This applies to the Cooper case a lot.... 8)
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« Reply #1598 on: May 15, 2016, 11:14:14 PM »
As valuable as the WSHM's collection of Ckret's posts is, unfortunately, it is not complete. I have plenty of posts from Larry that are not in it. It's missing a ton of stuff on Cossey and parachutes.
 

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« Reply #1599 on: May 15, 2016, 11:16:20 PM »
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As valuable as the WSHM's collection of Ckret's posts is, unfortunately, it is not complete. I have plenty of posts from Larry that are not in it. It's missing a ton of stuff on Cossey and parachutes.


Agreed, I don't know why they didn't get them all?
 

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« Reply #1600 on: May 15, 2016, 11:16:32 PM »
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When the legend becomes fact, print the legend....

This applies to the Cooper case a lot.... 8)

One of the few quotes that I remember from my father is:

"Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

I have found it to be one of the most important pieces of wisdom that I've gotten from the Old Man.
 

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« Reply #1601 on: May 15, 2016, 11:17:13 PM »
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As valuable as the WSHM's collection of Ckret's posts is, unfortunately, it is not complete. I have plenty of posts from Larry that are not in it. It's missing a ton of stuff on Cossey and parachutes.

Did the posts you mention appear on DZ, or are they personal e-mails from Ckret to you?
 

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« Reply #1602 on: May 15, 2016, 11:21:57 PM »
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When the legend becomes fact, print the legend....

This applies to the Cooper case a lot.... 8)

One of the few quotes that I remember from my father is:

"Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

I have found it to be one of the most important pieces of wisdom that I've gotten from the Old Man.


History is a myth men agree to believe...Napoleon
 

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« Reply #1603 on: May 16, 2016, 12:01:37 AM »
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A few days back, and apparently on another subject thread, a question about the possibility of Cooper wearing make-up so as to appear as a Latin male was raised.

Here is a direct quote from post number 436, September 7, 2007, by Ckret [this was his first post and he had joined DZ that very day] on the original DZ Cooper thread:

"-He [Cooper] had olive skin (no make-up, neither Mucklow, Schaffner or Hancock made comment on make-up which would have been very obvious.  Again, do the math, put dark make-up on someone then sit next to them with your shoulders touching, you can see the make-up.)"

Ckret's posts on DZ have been collected into one file by Fred Poyner's group at the WSHM.  I think Shutter has a direct link to that file somewhere on this site.

My suggestion is that everyone on this site download and print out the Ckret posts from DZ.  Then read them.  They will provide an authoritative answer to many questions asked on this site while minimizing the amount of misinformation and disinformation that gets into circulation.

I have communicated privately w. Shutter what I know about the makeup issue: so will not comment further. There is a claim Mr. Cook did a program in 2011 in which the makeup issue was discussed.  Tom did say he found bismuth associated with makeup on the tie. Maybe Cooper was a Ballroom Dancer?  :-X The type of makeup is what I wonder about? Manufactured by whom? Makeup or something else?  >:D The devil is in the details.
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« Reply #1604 on: May 16, 2016, 02:47:44 PM »
I have communicated privately with BISMUTH! BISMUTH KNOWS!  :)) 
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