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« Reply #1515 on: May 07, 2016, 05:31:47 AM »
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Looks like we will be around another year  8) I just renewed the domain for another action packed year  :)) :)) :))


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« Reply #1516 on: May 07, 2016, 10:12:14 AM »
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Looks like we will be around another year  8) I just renewed the domain for another action packed year  :)) :)) :))


Woo-Hoo!

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I almost forgot about it  :'(
 

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« Reply #1517 on: May 07, 2016, 01:05:59 PM »
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Looks like we will be around another year  8) I just renewed the domain for another action packed year  :)) :)) :))
Thank you Shutter for all the hard work you do to keep this website up and running.  The fact that you pay for it out of your own pocket is not lost on us.  Most of us don't agree on much concerning the Cooper case, but I think we all agree that we appreciate all you do.   O0 

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« Reply #1518 on: May 07, 2016, 02:18:52 PM »
Thanks, My brotha.... O0

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« Reply #1519 on: May 07, 2016, 02:26:37 PM »
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Thanks, My brotha.... O0

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1520 on: May 07, 2016, 04:26:48 PM »
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Cooper Trivia: I was sitting between Blevs and Meyer when Dona made this comment.

She states the same in a video on You Tube....


Looks like we will be around another year  8) I just renewed the domain for another action packed year  :)) :)) :))

The person I would have liked to have talked to was the person who was there! Jermaine Tricolor!

Any family of his still around that could be interviewed?  ;)

Oh! And thanks Dave. You are a gem!

Still nothing from anyone on Mr. Tricolor! Am I the only one who finds that name 'unusual'? The first time I heard that name, in the context of DB Cooper, I thought it was a joke - a fabrication. I later learned that was not the case. In fact, it appears Jermaine Tricolor ('Germ' some called him!) was a personality in his own right. And a repository of 'anecdotes' having personally witnessed and conversed with actual Cooper Royalty, ie. those involved in the actual search with the latest-greatest 'info' available at that time ... or so everyone thought. 'Germ' became known far-and-wide as the 'go-to' guy as thee guy to 'go to' if you wanted the real poop on D.B. Cooper. Kind of a first generation Jerry Thomas! I don't know if Thomas ever actually met and knew the guy? I never met 'Germ' but I know people who did. This was long before the Dona Elliot era, beginning as Bruce calculates sometime around 1990.

'Germ' became a source for news. Long after the formal Search was over a thousand Joe's and Charly's and Pete's would go up and conduct their own searches, always stopping in converse with 'Germ'. It was 'Germ' who knew what was going on in the area and who was looking here versus there, and Germ had maps at the store. Kind of like if you wanted to know who was catching what or news about the latest Benny Ambrose sightings, or news of any kind concerning the Boundary Waters area ... there was only one place to go. Winslow's or Amundsen's at Grand Marais! (Be sure avoid the wolf dog always sleeping beside the Winslow's Jeep! You could lose your hand or your food you are carrying in a second!)

Dona Elliot didn't even exist yet! It was Germ who carried the portfolio of true Cooper facts in his head, based on countless personal conversations that were timely and rich with details, if there was such a thing. Janet's sighting at Vancouver, for example, was related to Germ. I am rather doubtful Dona Elliot would have even heard the Janet story until many years later. Germ would have been asked, for example: "Did you see any flares? Any reports of flares that night?" By comparison Dona would have been asked: "Have you got Miller Lite?" 

I would love to have heard Germ's account of the weather and other matters that night, vs., Dona's at Amboy?

It was 'Germ' who would have had a firsthand account of events from 1971/72 to roughly 1990, not Dona in particular. It's one persons personal history vs. another's.

My fear is we are right on the cusp of a Third Generation Revisionist History taking over, and we already have 6 years of examples of what that has lead to! Perhaps all summed up best by the difference between rank promotion, money grubbing, and straight-out indefensible fabrications .... versus ... the way it really was!

For example: Germ would have been the guy you wanted to talk to if you wanted to get details about three guys from Portland wanting to come up and search Lake Merwin with a submarine and their contacts with locals and law enforcement in that regard! Dona would have only heard about it second hand later, if even then.

What goes around, comes around.   :-X                 

ps: Of course Dona herself could have expounded on Mr. Tricolor. But Dona is gone, very sadly! Now we must contend with the "revisionistas" .. who quite frankly may not "know the difference between shit and Shinola" or care. Their priorities and concerns are not the priorities Mr. Tricolor had! 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1521 on: May 07, 2016, 07:59:04 PM »
I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....
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« Reply #1522 on: May 07, 2016, 11:33:39 PM »
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I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....

I guess that would depend on where the plane was (and how low) - which was always the point Dona was making. That 305 passed over Amboy. That the plane she heard was 305. We know from the Transcript that Cooper asked for the plane to be slowed and leveled just prior to bailing. Was the plane straining during that maneuver?

Others in other locations claimed to have seen or heard the plane also. A lady listening to flight comms at her relative's airport said 305 went 'this way' or 'that-a-way'.  :)) A plane in hand is worth two planes in the bush! A chute near Amboy is worth two chutes on the plane. And, anyone leaving a chute near Amboy would have had to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a birch bark canoe ... to get back to London, where Kenny's help was waiting! It all adds up. 

Tricolor reported no plane over his head!  :) :)  What myths did Tricolor tell, if any? Tricolor dealt directly with FBI and searchers during the search. What was Tricolor's catalog of stories? It's Tricolor I want to talk to! 
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« Reply #1523 on: May 08, 2016, 01:13:57 AM »
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I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....

Any aircraft passing over Amboy was east of V23E (a then existing airway direct between the Seattle and Battleground VORTACS, it is now known as V495) and far east of V23 that the hijacked airliner was supposedly on.

But keep in mind that Donna, or someone, claimed that the weather in Amboy on the evening of the hijacking included such heavy rain that they could not see across the street.  And there were multiple cloud layers, including an overcast at 5000 feet above sea level, that would have prevented anyone on the ground at Amboy from seeing the aircraft in the first place.

Further, the airliner would have been in danger of flying into the mountains if it was as low as Donna has claimed.
 

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« Reply #1524 on: May 08, 2016, 01:17:27 AM »
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I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....

I guess that would depend on where the plane was (and how low) - which was always the point Dona was making. That 305 passed over Amboy. That the plane she heard was 305. We know from the Transcript that Cooper asked for the plane to be slowed and leveled just prior to bailing. Was the plane straining during that maneuver?

Others in other locations claimed to have seen or heard the plane also. A lady listening to flight comms at her relative's airport said 305 went 'this way' or 'that-a-way'.  :)) A plane in hand is worth two planes in the bush! A chute near Amboy is worth two chutes on the plane. And, anyone leaving a chute near Amboy would have had to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a birch bark canoe ... to get back to London, where Kenny's help was waiting! It all adds up. 

Tricolor reported no plane over his head!  :) :)  What myths did Tricolor tell, if any? Tricolor dealt directly with FBI and searchers during the search. What was Tricolor's catalog of stories? It's Tricolor I want to talk to!

Georger, Cooper asked for the airliner to be slowed down and leveled off just after take off from Seattle.  This was because he was having trouble getting the rear stairs to open.

There is no record of him making such a request just before jumping which he did about 30 minutes after the about incident.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1525 on: May 08, 2016, 01:55:50 AM »
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I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....

Any aircraft passing over Amboy was east of V23E (a then existing airway direct between the Seattle and Battleground VORTACS, it is now known as V495) and far east of V23 that the hijacked airliner was supposedly on.

But keep in mind that Donna, or someone, claimed that the weather in Amboy on the evening of the hijacking included such heavy rain that they could not see across the street.  And there were multiple cloud layers, including an overcast at 5000 feet above sea level, that would have prevented anyone on the ground at Amboy from seeing the aircraft in the first place.

Further, the airliner would have been in danger of flying into the mountains if it was as low as Donna has claimed.


Dona claims it was raining heavy. that alone would be loud in itself. was she inside, or outside?
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« Reply #1526 on: May 08, 2016, 02:34:54 AM »
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I would think Amboy was too far away to either see, or hear the plane. it's about 6+ miles from the known flight path. on a clear evening, probably....

I guess that would depend on where the plane was (and how low) - which was always the point Dona was making. That 305 passed over Amboy. That the plane she heard was 305. We know from the Transcript that Cooper asked for the plane to be slowed and leveled just prior to bailing. Was the plane straining during that maneuver?

Others in other locations claimed to have seen or heard the plane also. A lady listening to flight comms at her relative's airport said 305 went 'this way' or 'that-a-way'.  :)) A plane in hand is worth two planes in the bush! A chute near Amboy is worth two chutes on the plane. And, anyone leaving a chute near Amboy would have had to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a birch bark canoe ... to get back to London, where Kenny's help was waiting! It all adds up. 

Tricolor reported no plane over his head!  :) :)  What myths did Tricolor tell, if any? Tricolor dealt directly with FBI and searchers during the search. What was Tricolor's catalog of stories? It's Tricolor I want to talk to!

Georger, Cooper asked for the airliner to be slowed down and leveled off just after take off from Seattle.  This was because he was having trouble getting the rear stairs to open.

There is no record of him making such a request just before jumping which he did about 30 minutes after the about incident.

7:50-53  quick climb 7000 to 10,000 and hold. 170-180 knots. Crew on O2]

7:54 pm     
MSP:      As soon as reasonably sure the man has left the quicker you can land.
305:       Roger. Miss Mucklow said he apparently has the knapsack around him
and thinks he will attempt a jump. 
MSP:      Roger. After leaving this freq go to 131.8 we have direct phone patch
There (to Company and FBI)
305:       Roger.

8:01 pm    
MSP:      What is altitude?
305:      Now at 15 thousand.  (typo) Indicator 160. Fuel flow 4000. 15 degree flap.
Gear down. CQN will stay at 10,000 until he has left.
MSP:      Roger.

8:05 pm            
305:      Have attempted on two occasions to make contact with individual he
did not reply. Then used PA system and he said, “Everything is Ok”.
MSP:      Roger.

*In our interview with Anderson, Anderson said that Cooper made one more call after 8:05 asking that the plane be slowed and leveled. Not long after that the crew detected "oscillations" and they thought Cooper was out on the stairs.

8:12 pm    
305:   Getting some oscillations in the cabin. Must be doing something with
 the air stairs.
MSP:      Roger.

*Anderson reports a discussion lasting several minutes debating if a pressure spike meant Cooper had left. According to Anderson, Rataczak then called it in. This is not included in Transcript. 
 
8:12 - 8:20 transcript is blank.

8:20 pm    
305:   Called. (no response from Cooper)
MSP:      Go to 131.8 (phone patch to company on that freq.)
SEADD:   He (Nyrop?) is already on that frequency.
MSP:      Roger. We are on the phone and will be talking to him shortly.
SEADD:   Roger

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« Reply #1527 on: May 08, 2016, 10:01:39 AM »
Bruce Smith   You say:  "Woo-Hoo!
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I would like to say " The FBI have all they need to solve the case now, since I gave them the FLAW information in the alibi from Sheridan Peterson that he was busy delivering one of his two children. born in Nepal. at the time of Norjak (the DB Cooper Skyjacking). The FLAW was that the public records from Nepal per persopo.com show none of Sheridan's children were born in 1971 the year of Norjak but his son (Sheridan Ramon) was born the year before (1970) and the daughter (Ginger Lucern) was born the year after Norjak (1972). The FBI probably received a birth certificate with an altered date from Sheridan and the FBI failed to check the public records!
The FBI then accepted his phony alibi thinking it was true. however, it was a lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime with jail time). The FBI could use the lie crime to leverage the whole true DB Cooper story from Sheridan if he were to receive no jail time.
That should allow the FBI to solve the crime this year and before November 24th the 45th anniversary of Norjak. That would solve the case in just 45 years but maintain that the FBI always gets their man. I say Woo-Hoo for the FBI

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #1528 on: May 08, 2016, 01:02:00 PM »
Looks like the funding for Ariel needs a real promotional director. plus, he's still on a hate monger campaign.

He needs to understand that mature discussion talks about the good, and the bad things. Bruce could of done a lot for them, but the iron curtain is in place. go ahead and keep giving people the link, let them decide so it's not one sided. the last time I checked it was a campaign for help. how is what you are doing helping? it's time to grow up and take responsibility!!!

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You whine all the time about the public....it appears the public has spoken, no?
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« Reply #1529 on: May 08, 2016, 01:34:55 PM »
Woo-Hoo for Mothers!