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[georger]

Even Blevins says he isn't certain that KC was DBC. ?

He has said it several times. how else would he push this if he didn't actually believe what he is writing?

He finally was forced to try that angle about 2012. Everyone with a brain who is conscious knows that! I mean what else. He wasn't getting anywhere with the straight plea topeople's stupidity - so why not try:  "Blevins says he isn't certain that KC was DBC. ? "  I mean folks. It is Sham Wow Blevins! He had been on DZ since August of 2010 pounding people with his lies. That didn't work. So ... try a new scheme.

Next thing he will be saying is: " Im not certain I am certain that KC was not certain he was not certain to be DBC, in Equador. ?"    You can have your cake and your sham wow too!

But who but an idiot even gives a shit? First he has to convince the weak minded to care at all!   

Thanks Bruce. 50-60 emails. Is this some kind of plot between you and Cook?

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He stated it recently, but probably changed it like he does everything...

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Jo is fine 377....

[377]

Thanks Shutter. Glad to hear Jo is still kickin.

Farflung is the one I worry about. He just flat out disappeared and rather suddenly. The average IQ of the DZ forum dipped when Farf left and when Snow left.

Sure miss those guys.

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Thanks Shutter. Glad to hear Jo is still kickin.

Farflung is the one I worry about. He just flat out disappeared and rather suddenly. The average IQ of the DZ forum dipped when Farf left and when Snow left.

Sure miss those guys.

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I think Farf made an appearance in the last couple months before the DZ went down. he was sounding a lot like Farf, but who knows. yellow....something was the name...

[MarkBennett]

Thanks Shutter. Glad to hear Jo is still kickin.

Farflung is the one I worry about. He just flat out disappeared and rather suddenly. The average IQ of the DZ forum dipped when Farf left and when Snow left.

Sure miss those guys.

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I think Farf made an appearance in the last couple months before the DZ went down. he was sounding a lot like Farf, but who knows. yellow....something was the name...

It was "YellowOxide".  He obviously was very familiar with DZ and wrote a couple witty emails that sounded a lot like Farflung.  Then, he disappeared.  He had a certain flair.   I laughed out loud when he started a post like this (September 30, 2011):

"Much like smokin99, I feel the subject of Cooper having hairy arms is beneath intelligent or polite conversation; therefore I must comment. "

(That's a Farflung quote, not YellowOxide)

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Thanks Mark...he went right after old Bobby...who knows, might of been Farf?

you are too much fun.

Mr. Blevins.

where's that $400,000 coin collection?
those "all cash" home and land purchases?
the NWA "strikes" that affected Kenny? ( never heard of a company "striking"? Employees strike. Companies, not so much. )

[Bruce A. Smith]

Thanks Bruce. 50-60 emails.

You're welcome, Georger.

By the way, the number is sure to increase, as Sir Robert has just informed me that I have been un-permabanned. It seems like permabans are a lot like Permafrost - subject to the vagaries of Global Climate Change.

As for Jo, she calls me every now and then. Last time was about 3-4 weeks ago. Shall I have her give you a jingle, 377?  Just askin'....

If so, please let me know what might be a good time for her to call. Y'know, an evening where you have 3-4 hours to spare...

[Bruce A. Smith]

Docu Update

Galen just emailed me to say that a NYC-based outfit was looking for information on Kenny Christiansen as a possible documentary subject. Maybe I have all these docus mixed-up, and at this point I'm not sure who is doing what with whom. (Please note the proper use of "who" and "whom." Thank you).

But Galen listed his Top-Ten-Plus-Two-Reasons Why Kenny Ain't Danny Boy. I thought it worth posting:


1.  NORJAK case agent Larry Carr told me in 2009 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

2.  NORJAK case agent Curtis Eng told me in 2011 and 2012 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

3.  Christianson's brother, who retired from the USPS in MN started the entire KC as a suspect fairy tale     because he thought it would be "kinda neat to see a movie which he could be part of."

4.   Christianson's brother paid Skipp Porteous to get a letter to a Hollywood producer about a possible screen play about KC.

5.   Skipp Porteous took the story to GG, who wrote a highly speculative piece for the New York magazine.

6.    Skipp Porteous got Robert Blevins to co-author a book of pure fiction about KC, for no cost to Skipp Porteous, and with no investigative work whatsoever.         

7.   Galen Cook appeared on a Spokane radio station in which Lyle Christianson appeared and admitted to Cook and the host that he had no proof at all that KC was DB Cooper, and probably was not Cooper.

8.   KC would never hijack his own company airline for fear that he would be spotted by other crew members on future flights.

9.   KC had no past criminal history, or proclivities towards criminal behavior.

10.  KC had no parachute training which would include high-altitude, night jumps.  KC trained on static line WW2 era chutes, and never had a combat mission.

11.  In approximately early 2011, Galen Cook talked with Skipp Porteous by telephone and Skipp told Cook that he didn't really believe KC was a good candidate, but was willing to see if his book would sell anyway.  In a subsequent phone call, Skipp told Cook that he was through with anything to do with DB Cooper.

12.  KC does not fit the physical description at all, as produced by eyewitnesses and subsequently by an artist rendering of the hijacker.  Too short, too light. Wrong eye color.  Wrong hair.

These 12 reasons, standing alone, or in combination, are enough to exclude KC as a candidate for being DB Cooper.

[georger]

Docu Update

Galen just emailed me to say that a NYC-based outfit was looking for information on Kenny Christiansen as a possible documentary subject. Maybe I have all these docus mixed-up, and at this point I'm not sure who is doing what with whom. (Please note the proper use of "who" and "whom." Thank you).

But Galen listed his Top-Ten-Plus-Two-Reasons Why Kenny Ain't Danny Boy. I thought it worth posting:


1.  NORJAK case agent Larry Carr told me in 2009 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

2.  NORJAK case agent Curtis Eng told me in 2011 and 2012 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

3.  Christianson's brother, who retired from the USPS in MN started the entire KC as a suspect fairy tale     because he thought it would be "kinda neat to see a movie which he could be part of."

4.   Christianson's brother paid Skipp Porteous to get a letter to a Hollywood producer about a possible screen play about KC.

5.   Skipp Porteous took the story to GG, who wrote a highly speculative piece for the New York magazine.

6.    Skipp Porteous got Robert Blevins to co-author a book of pure fiction about KC, for no cost to Skipp Porteous, and with no investigative work whatsoever.         

7.   Galen Cook appeared on a Spokane radio station in which Lyle Christianson appeared and admitted to Cook and the host that he had no proof at all that KC was DB Cooper, and probably was not Cooper.

8.   KC would never hijack his own company airline for fear that he would be spotted by other crew members on future flights.

9.   KC had no past criminal history, or proclivities towards criminal behavior.

10.  KC had no parachute training which would include high-altitude, night jumps.  KC trained on static line WW2 era chutes, and never had a combat mission.

11.  In approximately early 2011, Galen Cook talked with Skipp Porteous by telephone and Skipp told Cook that he didn't really believe KC was a good candidate, but was willing to see if his book would sell anyway.  In a subsequent phone call, Skipp told Cook that he was through with anything to do with DB Cooper.

12.  KC does not fit the physical description at all, as produced by eyewitnesses and subsequently by an artist rendering of the hijacker.  Too short, too light. Wrong eye color.  Wrong hair.

These 12 reasons, standing alone, or in combination, are enough to exclude KC as a candidate for being DB Cooper.

#13:  KC does not fit the psychological profile of DB Cooper.

#14: The central tenant in Blevin's concoction is false, namely: KC's alleged accomplice Bernie Gestman had nothing to do with the Cooper hijacking and was someplace else at the time. Likewise, KC was someplace else at the time! 

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Don't forget the show Decoded where they concluded that Bernie was not the accomplice. this put a huge hole in there own theory.

What I always found troubling is the fact that it appears Lyle and Kenny were close, and yet they never talked about the hijacking when it first occurred? Lyle didn't notice the sketch being shown on television, in the newspapers, but decades later seen the sketch on a television show and it all started to make sense?

I wanted to contact Mike Fitzsimmons and find out if it was true that Lyle didn't believe his brother was Cooper. he has made statements that he was Cooper in the past.

Hello Dave:
 
I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper.   I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.
 
Mike Fitzsimmons

A quick Google search shows Lyle stated several times his brother wasn't Cooper...

Lyle Christiansen, of Morris (left), is shown in online video of the History Channel series "Brad Meltzer's Decoded." Christiansen contends his late brother, Kenny, is very likely infamous skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The "Decoded" investigators visited Christiansen in Morris as part of a program on the Cooper case. Image courtesy History Channel Web site.

No agenda, I just notice that many who claim KC is Cooper have multiple stories making it hard to understand people who believe Kenny was Cooper...

Now, if the two quotes above were about Marla. Robert would be screaming LIAR, and making articles, PDF'S, and what ever other media avenues he could find to make sure it was seen.

[MarkBennett]

Docu Update

Galen just emailed me to say that a NYC-based outfit was looking for information on Kenny Christiansen as a possible documentary subject. Maybe I have all these docus mixed-up, and at this point I'm not sure who is doing what with whom. (Please note the proper use of "who" and "whom." Thank you).

But Galen listed his Top-Ten-Plus-Two-Reasons Why Kenny Ain't Danny Boy. I thought it worth posting:


1.  NORJAK case agent Larry Carr told me in 2009 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

2.  NORJAK case agent Curtis Eng told me in 2011 and 2012 that KC was not DB Cooper, and he was conclusively ruled-out.

3.  Christianson's brother, who retired from the USPS in MN started the entire KC as a suspect fairy tale     because he thought it would be "kinda neat to see a movie which he could be part of."

4.   Christianson's brother paid Skipp Porteous to get a letter to a Hollywood producer about a possible screen play about KC.

5.   Skipp Porteous took the story to GG, who wrote a highly speculative piece for the New York magazine.

6.    Skipp Porteous got Robert Blevins to co-author a book of pure fiction about KC, for no cost to Skipp Porteous, and with no investigative work whatsoever.         

7.   Galen Cook appeared on a Spokane radio station in which Lyle Christianson appeared and admitted to Cook and the host that he had no proof at all that KC was DB Cooper, and probably was not Cooper.

8.   KC would never hijack his own company airline for fear that he would be spotted by other crew members on future flights.

9.   KC had no past criminal history, or proclivities towards criminal behavior.

10.  KC had no parachute training which would include high-altitude, night jumps.  KC trained on static line WW2 era chutes, and never had a combat mission.

11.  In approximately early 2011, Galen Cook talked with Skipp Porteous by telephone and Skipp told Cook that he didn't really believe KC was a good candidate, but was willing to see if his book would sell anyway.  In a subsequent phone call, Skipp told Cook that he was through with anything to do with DB Cooper.

12.  KC does not fit the physical description at all, as produced by eyewitnesses and subsequently by an artist rendering of the hijacker.  Too short, too light. Wrong eye color.  Wrong hair.

These 12 reasons, standing alone, or in combination, are enough to exclude KC as a candidate for being DB Cooper.

Doesn't this sound like the lists we are always critical of?  Number 12 is really the only reason I see that we would say that points to Kenny not being Cooper.  The others are hearsay and speculation.  Lyle's motives are really red herrings in this discussion.

If I had to add a second reason beyond #12, it would be there is no evidence of any kind that ties Kenny to the hijacking.

You can't prove a negative -- but lack of any evidence is the big reason to disqualify him.

[georger]

Don't forget the show Decoded where they concluded that Bernie was not the accomplice. this put a huge hole in there own theory.

What I always found troubling is the fact that it appears Lyle and Kenny were close, and yet they never talked about the hijacking when it first occurred? Lyle didn't notice the sketch being shown on television, in the newspapers, but decades later seen the sketch on a television show and it all started to make sense?

I wanted to contact Mike Fitzsimmons and find out if it was true that Lyle didn't believe his brother was Cooper. he has made statements that he was Cooper in the past.

Hello Dave:
 
I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper.   I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.
 
Mike Fitzsimmons

A quick Google search shows Lyle stated several times his brother wasn't Cooper...

Lyle Christiansen, of Morris (left), is shown in online video of the History Channel series "Brad Meltzer's Decoded." Christiansen contends his late brother, Kenny, is very likely infamous skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The "Decoded" investigators visited Christiansen in Morris as part of a program on the Cooper case. Image courtesy History Channel Web site.

No agenda, I just notice that many who claim KC is Cooper have multiple stories making it hard to understand people who believe Kenny was Cooper...

Now, if the two quotes above were about Marla. Robert would be screaming LIAR, and making articles, PDF'S, and what ever other media avenues he could find to make sure it was seen.

I'm astounded at the stupidity/gullibility of people! The central question is of course: Where was Bernie and on the day of the hijacking and what was her doing? And the same for KC. It's no more complicated than that. But Blevins and Decoded have done a masterful job of avoiding this central question. Both Blevins and Decoded move ahead anyway! Blevins and Meltzer are seeking "converts", not simple ordinary truth. The question however is the first question that any law enforcement agency involved in this matter would ask, assuming the LE had graduated from the First Grade, had their senses, and had any recognition of the requirements of the Law wishing to avoid destroying people's lives and a large lawsuit?

Bernie knows where he was and what he was doing on the day. Others do likewise. Kenny is dead and can't even answer (which is convenient for Blevins and Decoded)! Just blame a dead man who can't answer. Don't not put the vengeful program on the air beheading people publicly just because some central question has "not" been answered. (That would be morally and journalistically irresponsible) Blevins and Decoded serve a higher master and a higher law where public assassination, slander, and libel are all perfectly legal and the standard operating morality of the day!)
 
It's doesn't really matter where Bernie and Kenny actually were on the day. Kenny is dead and Bernie is a expendable to a higher law and morality of Bobby Blevins, Brad Meltzer, and some producer 'Kagen'?! The show must go on!)

Volumes will be written as a result. Bernie was somewhere on the day. Likewise Kenny.

Are all of you being entertained, in your perverted irresponsible superiority?

  
 

[377]

Bruce wrote: As for Jo, she calls me every now and then. Last time was about 3-4 weeks ago. Shall I have her give you a jingle, 377?  Just askin'....

Sure Bruce, if you have a couple of hours to spare. 

Jo has been "just about to die" for many years now. I hope she continues to stand up the Grim Reaper.

I like Jo but no way will I EVER get into phone calls with her. I hear they are EPIC. Maybe when I retire....NAH.

I'm going to mail another big cheer pkg to Sheridan this Christmas. He calls me FBI/CIA but I will rise above the fray and turn the other cheek. I thought about faking a CIA purchase order and hiding it beneath the goodies.

Sheridan is too smart to think I am really FBI/CIA. He just wanted to completely disengage. He didn't want any dialogue about his oddly out pf place passages in The Idiots Frightful Laughter.

As a Boeing alum Sailshaw will be amazed to hear that a Boeing C 97 now has 4 engines (each having 28 cylinders) running strong and has completed taxy tests. An on-jacks gear swing is next. Soon it will fly.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

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[377]

As for KC being DBC, for me the main issue that says no way is that KC was an NWA flight crew member. Way too easy for someone to say "hey, I know that guy in the sketch. I've flown with him. If KC was going to hijack an NWA plane he'd have used a major disguise and there is no evidence that DBC did. Just my opinion.

I do think Bernie was lying about his sea time on the Foss tug, but there could be a hundred reasons for that unrelated to Norjack.

How about Bradley's Dad, Jack Cooper? The FBI did interview him (according to Bradley). Jack is depicted as a scammer and he needed money. He was an expert skydiver. We never pay any attention to him here.

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