The DNA doesn't mean anything to people like Weber, or Blevins. they will just say it's not Cooper's once it fails for them.

I doubt they have been hiding the butts from the public. it would benefit them more by stating they have his DNA for sure to help weed out the phonies. Blevins is trying this angle, but rest assure if they do test it, and it fails. he will start claiming the DNA is not Cooper's. it's probably close to a year now they have had his new PDF, and it got him nowhere.

Wonder where Mikej is 

Hey Robert, where did Mikej go? the guy seemed to be interested in the case, but he hasn't shown up here? funny how he disappeared once we found out it was really you (laughs)

If it's not you, congratulations on running another poster off your forum. that makes 5. you will never understand why I know it was 5 members. 

closing your forum like a light switch, and DEMANDING people identify themselves is not the way to run a forum! Is the home office based in China? they would be proud of your censorship (wink) pretty sad you close it just to get people to join...

I think the Mikej alter ego has been retired. There's another new poster there, Kristin. Probably another Blevins alter ego. Doesn't matter though, the Kenny C story is dead. Over. Finished.

Two PDF's in the last couple years, and nothing came of either 

I thought we would get the best Cooper evidence since Marla 

It could be a start of a new book..."A View To A Bomb"  ;

From American Super Hero to common milker-of-somebody-elses'-cash-cows! Downfall 101.

Passenger List

Here's my latest compilation:

Revised, updated, 4. 14. 16:


Name:            Referenced:            Source:

1. Almstad, Jack          Seattle Times, 2011 Symposium, NWO manifest
2. Andvik, Arnold “Andy”  [confirmed: Karen Truitt, 1/4]   ST, Symposium, NWO
3. Clouse, Ray, D.                                   ST, Symposium, NWO
4. Connors, Helen, Mrs.                                ST, Symposium, NWO
5. Connelly, La Vonne                                        ST, Symposium
6. Cooper, Dan [added by BAS, because of “Cooper, D”]  Not on ST, Sym, NWO
7. Cooper, Michael                                 ST, Symposium, NWO
8. Cummings, Lynn                                  ST, Symposium, NWO
9. Cummings, Mrs.                                 ST, Symposium, NWO
10. Cummings, Robert                               ST, Symposium, NWO
11. Donahoe, Patrick, (R.P.)       [Karen, 2/4]           ST, Symposium, NWO
12. Feingold, Larry, prosecutor    [GG]                        ST, Symposium, NWO
13. Gregory, Robert, B.      [GG, Sluggo]             ST, Symposium, NWO
14. House, Nancy,       [GG, seat 15, Sluggo]           ST, Symposium, NWO
15. Jensen, W.P.                                  ST, Symposium, NWO
16. Keats, William                                  ST, Symposium, NWO
17. Kloepfer, Mrs.                                       ST, Symposium, not on NWO
18. Kloepfer, Floyd   [GG, p. 31, inconclusive]   NWO, not on ST list
19. Kurata, George     [GG, steel importer from Japan]           ST, Symposium, NWO
20. Labissoniere, George        [GG, Sluggo, attorney]          ST, Symposium, NWO
21. MacPherson, Bill       [Richard Tosaw, book]          ST, Symposium, NWO
22. MacPherson, Scott                              ST, Symposium, NWO
23. MacPherson, S. “son”                              ST, Symposium, NWO
24. McDonald, Cliff, A. (C.A.)  [GG, real estate sales]          ST, Symposium, NWO 
25. Menendez, A          [GG]                                ST, Symposium, NWO
26. Michelson, Dennis                                      ST, Symposium, NWO
27. Minsch, Patrick,          [GG, heavy equip operator]           ST, Symposium, NWO
27. Mitchell, “Bill,” William      [R. Tosaw]              ST, Symposium, NWO
28. Murphey, W. J.                                  ST, Symposium, NWO
29. Pollart, Les         [GG]                                ST, Symposium, NWO
30. Rice, Daniel                                          ST, Symposium, NWO
31. Simmons, Barbara, Mrs.       [GG]                ST, Symposium, NWO
32. Simmons, Richard, J.      [GG]                        ST, Symposium, NWO
33. Street, Charles “Charlie”      [Karen, 3/4]             ST, Symposium, NWO
34. Truitt, Allen B         [Karen, 4/4]             ST, Symposium, NWO
35. Weitzel, Mr.                                          ST, Symposium, NWO
36. Wornstaff, J. R.                                  ST, Symposium, NWO
37. Zrim Spreckel, Cord Harms [GG, print shop owner]           ST, Symposium, NWO



Note: NWO manifest spells the MacPherson family name as “McPherson.”
Note: NWO manifest spells WJ Murphy as “Murphey”
Note: GG spells Georger Kurata's name different than NWO, which lists this passenger as Georger Kurota, with an “o.”


Summation:

1. 37 passengers listed, with Dan Cooper included.
2. Michael Cooper on all lists. Hence, there must have been two Coopers flying on Flight 305
3. Confusion exists whether Mr. and Mrs. Kloepfer were flying together, or just one of them. “Mr.” is on NWO only. “Mrs.” is on STonly.
4. Three MacPherson's are listed, including a “Scott MacPherson” and a “S. MacPherson (son)” on all lists.

Passenger Question:


Where was First Class on Flight 305? First three rows? Two seats port and starboard?

The McPhersons were sitting in First Class, according to Tosaw. Bill McPherson, Sr, was the father and accompanied by his brother and son. Hence, three McPhersons. Also, NWO and the Seattle Times misspell their name. According to their business' website, the name is spelled in the English manner, not Scottish. Hence, McPherson.

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Cant blame Cossey for this rigging fiasco. 

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Passenger Question:


Where was First Class on Flight 305? First three rows? Two seats port and starboard?

The McPhersons were sitting in First Class, according to Tosaw. Bill McPherson, Sr, was the father and accompanied by his brother and son. Hence, three McPhersons. Also, NWO and the Seattle Times misspell their name. According to their business' website, the name is spelled in the English manner, not Scottish. Hence, McPherson.

First class was forward of the curtain that Tina closed (as she got her last glimpse of Cooper) as she headed to the cockpit at Cooper's direction following the take off from Seattle enroute to Reno.

As far as the number of first class seats per row, it was probably two on each side of the aisle.  But the number of rows of first class seats on the aircraft may require some number crunching.

A number of seating charts were presented at DZ - none ever seemed to be "the right one" ? Here is one of those:
I think first class would be everything front of the closets designated 'C' -  The curtain would have been just rear of the closets ? I base this on prior discussion at DZ and the chart attached. 106 passengers: 16 first class 2 seats abreast: 90 passengers tourist, 3 abreast at 33" each back of first class: just as this chart says ... ?

"Flight 305 was a Boeing 727-51", to quote Sluggo ?

Thanks, G, and Sluggo.

What I'm getting here is that First Class was the first four rows, with two seats apiece on each side of the aisle. That make for sixteen seats total in First Class.

But, how were the rows numbered? Does the numbering system start in First Class, with Rows 1, 2, 3, and 4? Then continuing in "Tourist" as 5, 6, 7, etc.?

If so, then the Tourist section is numbered 5 through, what?  There are some problems in the diagram on the pictured 727-100.

I count 17 rows in "tourist" on the port side of the aircraft, which makes for a total of 21 rows in the aircraft when added to the four rows in First Class. So, are the rows in Tourist numbered 5-21?  If so, what happened to Row 18 being the last row? Where was D Cooper sitting?

Note: the rows on the starboard side are off-set by the galley.

This also makes Larry Finegold's statements more troubling. Since Larry was in Row 6, which is by the galley AND he had a conversation with G-Man Johnny, that means the FBI agent had entered into the aircraft about a third of the way, since the forward entry door was in front of Row 1 and the "wind screen." Hence, this was not a minor incursion.

Plus, I don't see any jump seats for the Fight Attendants, other than the two-seater in the forward section. Where was Florence sitting? I thought she was aft of D Cooper, sitting in a jump seat in the aft galley, as is typical in most planes these days - but there was no aft galley in the 727 as pictured, and the only galley was mid-ship.

I dont know. Sluggo did say 305 was a 727-51. Does that mean it was a model 727-100 or 100C, or something else? I dont know that this got resolved back at DZ? Maybe we can clear this all up now. Which seating arrangement applied? Th last row was row 18 so I guess it was 18A, 18B, 18C on the right side looking back front the front ... then 18D, 18E, 18F on the left side ? 
 

What was the difference in price btwn 1st and 2nd class on that day, or had the distinction been lifted for that "milk run' flight last of the day? I think you are right and there were 16 seats in first class, on that plane.

Thanks, G, and Sluggo.

What I'm getting here is that First Class was the first four rows, with two seats apiece on each side of the aisle. That make for sixteen seats total in First Class.

But, how were the rows numbered? Does the numbering system start in First Class, with Rows 1, 2, 3, and 4? Then continuing in "Tourist" as 5, 6, 7, etc.?

If so, then the Tourist section is numbered 5 through, what?  There are some problems in the diagram on the pictured 727-100.

I count 17 rows in "tourist" on the port side of the aircraft, which makes for a total of 21 rows in the aircraft when added to the four rows in First Class. So, are the rows in Tourist numbered 5-21?  If so, what happened to Row 18 being the last row? Where was D Cooper sitting?

Note: the rows on the starboard side are off-set by the galley.

This also makes Larry Finegold's statements more troubling. Since Larry was in Row 6, which is by the galley AND he had a conversation with G-Man Johnny, that means the FBI agent had entered into the aircraft about a third of the way, since the forward entry door was in front of Row 1 and the "wind screen." Hence, this was not a minor incursion.

Plus, I don't see any jump seats for the Fight Attendants, other than the two-seater in the forward section. Where was Florence sitting? I thought she was aft of D Cooper, sitting in a jump seat in the aft galley, as is typical in most planes these days - but there was no aft galley in the 727 as pictured, and the only galley was mid-ship.

Lastly, my understanding of the 727-51 designation meant that this plane was part of the Northwest Orient fleet, and was in fact a 727-100 series model.

Bruce, The fellow who tried to board the aircraft to talk to Cooper was an FAA man who thought it would be a good idea to tell Cooper that he could find himself in a lot of trouble if he hijacked the aircraft.  I suspect that Cooper already knew that.  In any event, the individual was removed from the scene.

The -051 was specific to NWA but it was still not a 727-100 aircraft.  If it had been an NWA 727-100 it probably would have had a -151 suffix.