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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #975 on: April 11, 2016, 12:37:03 PM »
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Shutter:   You say "Sailshaw, can you provide the information from the link you provided? that's a pay site."

I say:   Yes, persopo.com sent back the following answer as to what the public record birthdays for Sheridan two children, born in Nepal, as follows:

The son Sheridan Ramon Peterson was born Sept. 12, 1970 and the daughter Ginger Lucena Peterson was born October 1972. Please remember Norjak was November 24, 1971 which shows that Sheridan Peterson's alibi to the FBI was a lie and is a Federal crime with jail time. The FBI could trade jail time for the "rest of the story" from Sheridan and the case could finally be closed.

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Anything showing where the kids were born?

It would be highly unlikely the FBI would do anything about someone lying to them. that happens all the time in LE.

In his previous post he says "both in Nepal".

[The FLAW is that neither of his two children were born in the year of Norjak 1971 as the son was born in 1970 and the daughter was born in 1972 (both in Nepal) per public records from persopo.com.]

So Peterson may have been in Nepal from 1970 through 72 ? His Visa might document his travels ?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #976 on: April 11, 2016, 01:47:32 PM »
The FBI obviously didn't trust Sheridan's Nepal alibi and went back for DNA. Sheridan's DNA allegedly did not match the tie DNA hence the FBI ruled out Sheridan.

Unless you can convince the FBI that the tie DNA is not Cooper's you wont have any luck getting them fired up about a lie told about childbirth dates. Sure, lying to the FBI is a crime, but they won't pursue it.

Sail and I are interested in WHY Sheridan might lie, but the FBI couldn't care less. DNA rules their world. They are quite certain that they have a partial sample of DBC's DNA extracted from the tie.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #977 on: April 11, 2016, 02:54:22 PM »
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The FBI obviously didn't trust Sheridan's Nepal alibi and went back for DNA. Sheridan's DNA allegedly did not match the tie DNA hence the FBI ruled out Sheridan.

Unless you can convince the FBI that the tie DNA is not Cooper's you wont have any luck getting them fired up about a lie told about childbirth dates. Sure, lying to the FBI is a crime, but they won't pursue it.

Sail and I are interested in WHY Sheridan might lie, but the FBI couldn't care less. DNA rules their world. They are quite certain that they have a partial sample of DBC's DNA extracted from the tie.

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Several things: Even Sail says the children were born in Nepal; one in '70, one in 72'. Petey could have been in Nepal the whole time. He may not remember the exact dates of when his kids were born. I sometimes forget when my children were born and I sure can;t keep track of all the grandkids - the women in the family fill that role! Petey may have meant 'I was in Nepal when my kids were born and I attended their births ... so I wasnt even "in" the USA, as a generic statement. His passport records would show his coming and going, in any event. The FBI has access to those records and others that reflect people's travel. So I am not convinced Petey lied. Sail wants him to have lied but Im not sure he did.

We know that Petey communicated with other people during this period. The FBI may have interviewed people to get an idea where Petey was, when.

The FBI would go for dna, in any event, whether they think someone lied or not. The FBI must have some faith in their sample(s). We know there are at least three runs. Probably more. They say they have a partial but we don't know what the nature of that partial is. Or partials. A partial that can "exclude" people usually hovers around 7 common loci identified after three or more runs. If someone tests out at that level that can mean a fairly strong result one can have faith in. Repeats in testing can strengthen the conviction. And that could mean a person does not match on at least three loci, assuming a 7 loci partial out of thirteen using the CODIS-13 loci system. That would be more than enough to exclude somebody and have strong faith in the result.

Would you allow your client to submit a sample if there was any chance he was DBC? Hell no you wouldn't! But Petey cooperated. When push comes to shove Petey always cooperates with The Man.  :) 

Of course if the tie sample is not DBC then the chances of Petey being "that guy" is zero!  :) :) :)

I think the testing of the tie is a whole "book' in itself and I find that very interesting. If the FBI ever finds the cigarette butts then the DBC story could start anew, all over again. Our role in this matter can only be pure speculation!  :) 

Genetic tests are based on very large population studies. Genetic tests use very* large numbers. When someone is "excluded" based on multiple tests, that means they failed to match by a very large statistical probability approaching your chance of winning the $500 billion dollar lottery! This process started with a statistical assessment of the chance that the sample itself was from the hijacker and not someone else. The FBI standard is that these assessments have to be defensible in Court. It is the same standard being used today to eliminate people who have been falsely accused who then must be released from prison.     
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #978 on: April 11, 2016, 03:13:59 PM »
G wrote: "Would you allow your client to submit a sample if there was any chance he was DBC? Hell no you wouldn't! But Petey cooperated. When push comes to shove Petey always cooperates with The Man.  :) "

Peterson doesn't always cooperate with the MAN. But put a good looking woman in front of him and he throws caution to the wind.

I still think the FBI may have the cig butts and a DBC DNA sample. I would not rule that possibility out.

Evidence in major unsolved federal criminal cases doesn't normally get "lost". I never had the good fortune of the FBI losing evidence in cases I defended.

Look at how long they kept evidence in the 1975 SLA Sacramento bank robbery murder case. Charges were filed over a quarter century later in 2002 and they obtained convictions. No evidence was "lost".

None of these examples prove that they have the cig butts, but it would be very unusual for the FBI to have discarded or lost evidence in an unsolved major felony case with no statute of limitations issues barring subsequent prosecution.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #979 on: April 11, 2016, 03:25:05 PM »
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G wrote: "Would you allow your client to submit a sample if there was any chance he was DBC? Hell no you wouldn't! But Petey cooperated. When push comes to shove Petey always cooperates with The Man.  :) "

Peterson doesn't always cooperate with the MAN. But put a good looking woman in front of him and he throws caution to the wind.

I still think the FBI may have the cig butts and a DBC DNA sample. I would not rule that possibility out.

Evidence in major unsolved federal criminal cases doesn't normally get "lost". I never had the good fortune of the FBI losing evidence in cases I defended.

Look at how long they kept evidence in the 1975 SLA Sacramento bank robbery murder case. Charges were filed over a quarter century later in 2002 and they obtained convictions. No evidence was "lost".

None of these examples prove that they have the cig butts, but it would be very unusual for the FBI to have discarded or lost evidence in an unsolved major felony case with no statute of limitations issues barring subsequent prosecution.

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I know of no instance where Larry said the butts were "lost". It was Jo Weber and others who made that claim.  :)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #980 on: April 11, 2016, 03:54:51 PM »
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G wrote: "Would you allow your client to submit a sample if there was any chance he was DBC? Hell no you wouldn't! But Petey cooperated. When push comes to shove Petey always cooperates with The Man.  :) "

Peterson doesn't always cooperate with the MAN. But put a good looking woman in front of him and he throws caution to the wind.

I still think the FBI may have the cig butts and a DBC DNA sample. I would not rule that possibility out.

Evidence in major unsolved federal criminal cases doesn't normally get "lost". I never had the good fortune of the FBI losing evidence in cases I defended.

Look at how long they kept evidence in the 1975 SLA Sacramento bank robbery murder case. Charges were filed over a quarter century later in 2002 and they obtained convictions. No evidence was "lost".

None of these examples prove that they have the cig butts, but it would be very unusual for the FBI to have discarded or lost evidence in an unsolved major felony case with no statute of limitations issues barring subsequent prosecution.

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I know of no instance where Larry said the butts were "lost". It was Jo Weber and others who made that claim.  :)

Here is what CKret posted at the DZ regarding the cigarette butts: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


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Still looking for the cigarettes, after they were processed in the lab they were sent back to the field. So they are somewhere between Washington DC and Seattle or disposed of. Every spot on the plane possibly touched by Cooper was processed for prints. The seats he was sitting in were actually removed and sent to DC.

The DNA is male, the lab report stated the sample came from a combination of male doners.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #981 on: April 11, 2016, 04:53:34 PM »
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It would be highly unlikely the FBI would do anything about someone lying to them. that happens all the time in LE.


Prosecuting people for lying to the cops also establishes an uncomfortable precedent for law enforcement since they prefer being able to lie with impunity.

One of the conundrums facing the FBI in the wake of Congressional revelations about their malfeasance in the National Crime Lab, according to whistleblower Dr. Fred Whitehurst, is who will review the evidence and trial testimony of the FBI agents? Whitehurst says that over 20,000 federal felony convictions may be overturned by criminal actions by FBI agents on the witness stands or in the crime lab, so this issue is not small potatoes.

Precedent says the prosecutors involved in the case would be the logical personages, but they are the ones who made the wrongful convictions in the first place. It's a sticky wicket.

As for Norjak, consider this: Suppose Sheridan Peterson is DB Cooper. How does that color our view of the actions of the FBI?  If they don't care about Nepal, is that because they don't want to solve the DB Cooper case?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #982 on: April 11, 2016, 05:42:03 PM »
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G wrote: "Would you allow your client to submit a sample if there was any chance he was DBC? Hell no you wouldn't! But Petey cooperated. When push comes to shove Petey always cooperates with The Man.  :) "

Peterson doesn't always cooperate with the MAN. But put a good looking woman in front of him and he throws caution to the wind.

I still think the FBI may have the cig butts and a DBC DNA sample. I would not rule that possibility out.

Evidence in major unsolved federal criminal cases doesn't normally get "lost". I never had the good fortune of the FBI losing evidence in cases I defended.

Look at how long they kept evidence in the 1975 SLA Sacramento bank robbery murder case. Charges were filed over a quarter century later in 2002 and they obtained convictions. No evidence was "lost".

None of these examples prove that they have the cig butts, but it would be very unusual for the FBI to have discarded or lost evidence in an unsolved major felony case with no statute of limitations issues barring subsequent prosecution.

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I know of no instance where Larry said the butts were "lost". It was Jo Weber and others who made that claim.  :)

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Still looking for the cigarettes, after they were processed in the lab they were sent back to the field. So they are somewhere between Washington DC and Seattle or disposed of. Every spot on the plane possibly touched by Cooper was processed for prints. The seats he was sitting in were actually removed and sent to DC.

The DNA is male, the lab report stated the sample came from a combination of male doners.

So I guess I am wrong and Weber is right:  the butts are disposed of and the dna is worthless.   :)

Maybe get Jo Weber back to solve the case!  :o   A guy pulls off a hijacking and there is no hard evidence at all - he was never on the plane! That has to be a first!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #983 on: April 12, 2016, 08:37:12 AM »
The DNA doesn't mean anything to people like Weber, or Blevins. they will just say it's not Cooper's once it fails for them.

I doubt they have been hiding the butts from the public. it would benefit them more by stating they have his DNA for sure to help weed out the phonies. Blevins is trying this angle, but rest assure if they do test it, and it fails. he will start claiming the DNA is not Cooper's. it's probably close to a year now they have had his new PDF, and it got him nowhere.

Wonder where Mikej is  ;D

Hey Robert, where did Mikej go? the guy seemed to be interested in the case, but he hasn't shown up here? funny how he disappeared once we found out it was really you (laughs)

If it's not you, congratulations on running another poster off your forum. that makes 5. you will never understand why I know it was 5 members.  ;D ;D

closing your forum like a light switch, and DEMANDING people identify themselves is not the way to run a forum! Is the home office based in China? they would be proud of your censorship (wink) pretty sad you close it just to get people to join...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #984 on: April 12, 2016, 09:18:10 AM »
Someone mentioned a while back that Cooper made statements about the chutes, as in the missing D-rings. I haven't been able to find any supporting evidence of this, anyone?

He did mention the the bag...

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Cooper made an inspection of the chutes when Tina was present. As well as the money and the bag the money came in. He made his concerns clear to Tina about the money bag.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
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Someone mentioned a while back that Cooper made statements about the chutes, as in the missing D-rings. I haven't been able to find any supporting evidence of this, anyone?

He did mention the the bag...

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Cooper made an inspection of the chutes when Tina was present. As well as the money and the bag the money came in. He made his concerns clear to Tina about the money bag.

I went back to the DZ and found conversation about the D Rings and the money bag. Ckret made a statement about the D Rings and others questioned him about it.

The conversation starts at this post and continues for the next 3 pages.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #986 on: April 12, 2016, 10:50:40 AM »
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Someone mentioned a while back that Cooper made statements about the chutes, as in the missing D-rings. I haven't been able to find any supporting evidence of this, anyone?

He did mention the the bag...

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Cooper made an inspection of the chutes when Tina was present. As well as the money and the bag the money came in. He made his concerns clear to Tina about the money bag.

I went back to the DZ and found conversation about the D Rings and the money bag. Ckret made a statement about the D Rings and others questioned him about it.

The conversation starts at this post and continues for the next 3 pages.
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I don't think he noticed the D-Rings missing...


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Reason dictates that if he new the reserve was a dummy he would have said something about that as well.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #987 on: April 12, 2016, 10:54:49 AM »
This is the complete post...

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Cooper made an inspection of the chutes when Tina was present. As well as the money and the bag the money came in. He made his concerns clear to Tina about the money bag. He checked the money and made statements about that. He stated several times, "no funny stuff," providing nonfunctioning equipment would be funy stuff. Reason dictates that if he new the reserve was a dummy he would have said something about that as well.

I doubt that Cooper would have been able to gain any information about the wind conditions by throwing a chute off the air stairs. It was dark, the chute would have instantly disappeared from his sight the moment he let go of it.

Of course almost anything is possible, but the evidence points to him jumping with it, not that he did, it just points in that direction.
 

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« Reply #988 on: April 12, 2016, 10:57:46 AM »
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He checked the money and made statements about that. He stated several times, "no funny stuff,

It appears his concerns for the money over ruled safety, or the lack of noticing "funny stuff"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #989 on: April 12, 2016, 03:58:04 PM »
"I doubt that Cooper would have been able to gain any information about the wind conditions by throwing a chute off the air stairs. It was dark, the chute would have instantly disappeared from his sight the moment he let go of it."

FOR SURE.

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