Georger wrote: "I made posts about this years ago based on what our Boeing guy remembered, who knew several of the skydiving club guys ... our guy gave me a rundown on what the club had told the FBI (basically that Cooper probably didn't survive). Our guy was pretty graphic in what he stated had been described to the FBI: shoes coming off, money bag doing body and head damage, arms being pulled out of their sockets, etc...  Can you add anything ? "

I have jumped from a DC 9-21 jet airliner doing about 140 mph and a firewalled C 130 doing at least twice that speed. Shoes didn't come off (Nike running shoes), arms and legs remained attached. I've also jumped with a bag full of radiotelemetry gear affixed to one leg. No death spin, but I did have to compensate for asymmetrical drag. Bag didn't bang around much, it pulls its tiedown restraints to their length limit and stays put.

I haven't talked with any Boeing Skydiving Club members but I think Sailshaw did. Not much point listening to jumpers who theorize that the DBC jump was sure death, because I have contrary EMPIRICAL evidence. Night and the lack of a horizon could cause problems but pulling off the stairs while facing forward solves all of them.

Glad to answer any more jet jump Qs, In 2018 I will have half a century in skydiving. Gotta stay healthy so I can make the 50 year mark. It is still a HUGE thrill. So addictive.

377

G wrote:"For the record, Placencia/Boeing thought the jump was a (very) destructive event. He was sure Cooper had been killed. He said anything else was "utter nonsense". I can imagine an FBI agent listening to all of this and kind of shrugging his/her shoulders and thinking "WTF"!        ... which to my mind typifies this whole case! The Vortex of conflicting opinions-advice with almost no hard evidence to resolve basic questions."

The utter nonsense was calling the jump a certain death event. Really good chance for survival if the chute opened.

I still wonder about the metals TK and his science crew found on the tie. Not ordinary stuff. Sailshaw says SP could have picked those up from the Boeing scrap bins. I can see Aluminum turnings and pure Titanium being there, but what about Bismuth?

And what about the "turkey gobble" neck anatomy that Mitchell  noticed?

377

Georger  You say: "377, have you ever talked to any of the Boeing Skydiving Club guys that were consulted on the Cooper case? I think Guru talked to one of them but I would have to go back to see the posts ...

I made posts about this years ago based on what our Boeing guy remembered, who knew several of the skydiving club guys ... our guy gave me a rundown on what the club had told the FBI (basically that Cooper probably didn't survive). Our guy was pretty graphic in what he stated had been described to the FBI: shoes coming off, money bag doing body and head damage, arms being pulled out of their sockets, etc...  Can you add anything ?"

I say:   Bruce Smith and I had lunch with the President of the Boeing Skydiving Club  (Allen McCarther) at my yacht club a few years ago and he was convinced that DB made it and it was an easy jump. He also thought DB would have had two rolls of Ace bandages (in his carry-on paper sack) to do ankle raps to hold on his loafers and beef-up his ankles like jump boots do.
I also had lunch with Scott Gilson at my club yesterday to talk about Boeing 727 demos at Moses Lake and the sales film that was made for government customers like Air America (George Doll - CIA) and World Airline (also CIA). Scott was a Boeing Salesman for over 30 years and sold all models of Boeing planes including the 727. He said the film at Moses Lake demonstrated the 727 could take-off, fly, and land with the air stairs fully deployed. And showed how they could be deployed/retracted when in flight at slowed speed (flaps and landing gear deployed - flying dirty). George Doll was interested in purchasing the 727 because of the aft air stairs and World Airline did the same per Everett Johnson a 727 pilot for Air America.

Bob Sailshaw
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More Grist for the Mill on Petey:

Taking a closer look at Sheridan, his timelines don't work for me. I brought this up at the DZ some time ago, and Snowmman and my Best Friend Georger tore into it with some justification, but still the inconsistencies linger for me.  Here is my current understanding of Petey's whereabouts:

1961- Sail's place, UW, unemployed and broke grad student.
1962 Bubblelator op at the World's Fair
1963-1964 - Kirkland HS, English teacher, writing part time for the Eastside Journal
1965 - Mississippi
1966 Clark AB and teaching school for the USAF
1966?-1969? - Vietnam
1970 - 1972 Nepal, birthing kids, living in the mud hut

Where does Boeing fit in?
Where does his 7 years in Vietnam get squeezed in?

Also, how exactly did Petey, his tie, the metal filings, and November 24, 1971 all happen:

Did he leave Nepal/Vietnam and come to the PNW and re-visit a storage container before the skyjacking, getting all of his old clothes out and wore them to the skyjacking? Or did DB Cooper play dress-up at Value Village on Nov 23rd, etc... and just happened to pick a tie that had been at the Boeing scrap box, once upon a time...

I think we need to dig in to this.

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More Grist for the Mill on Petey:

Taking a closer look at Sheridan, his timelines don't work for me. I brought this up at the DZ some time ago, and Snowmman and my Best Friend Georger tore into it with some justification, but still the inconsistencies linger for me.  Here is my current understanding of Petey's whereabouts:

1961- Sail's place, UW, unemployed and broke grad student.
1962 Bubblelator op at the World's Fair
1963-1964 - Kirkland HS, English teacher, writing part time for the Eastside Journal
1965 - Mississippi
1966 Clark AB and teaching school for the USAF
1966?-1969? - Vietnam
1970 - 1972 Nepal, birthing kids, living in the mud hut

Where does Boeing fit in?
Where does his 7 years in Vietnam get squeezed in?

Also, how exactly did Petey, his tie, the metal filings, and November 24, 1971 all happen:

Did he leave Nepal/Vietnam and come to the PNW and re-visit a storage container before the skyjacking, getting all of his old clothes out and wore them to the skyjacking? Or did DB Cooper play dress-up at Value Village on Nov 23rd, etc... and just happened to pick a tie that had been at the Boeing scrap box, once upon a time...

I think we need to dig in to this.

Bruce,

You don't have to dig a hole to the center of the earth to conclude that Peterson, KC, Duane Weber, and probably ever other "Cooper candidate" that has been mentioned here or elsewhere didn't have anything to do with the hijacking.  All the claims connecting them are baloney.

So put your shovel away and relax.  Feel free to watch the anti-Trump riots here in Arizona today.