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To understand Cooper, you must freefall a mile in his loafers.  The suggestion was made that an opportunistic personality trait existed based on the assumption he had knowledge of 727 jump capabilities.  Now I’ll suggest he demonstrated manipulative tendencies based on an assumption he knew about V23.  Deeper yet into the rabbit hole.......

Cooper intended to commandeer a 727, extort negotiable currency, and escape by parachute.  It was not a suicide mission.  Cooper was calm, cool, and collected unless things were being perceived as not going his way (e.g. 1700hrs timeline restriction for deliverables, refuelling delays).  Cooper required repeated reassurance that there would be “no funny stuff”.  Cooper was perceived to have behaved in a childish mannerism when he received the cash in priority order – suggesting he got what he wanted most.  He wanted notes and matchbooks back but offered paper money (fingerprints?).  He appeared at ease with the operational aspects of parachutes.

Cooper ordered altitude of 10 000feet and direction south (Mexico) from SEA.  Cooper ordered aircraft into flight configuration for jump out of SEA (i.e. not enroute or over Mexico).  Cooper did not order V23.  Cooper insisted that once airborne from SEA that there would be no further touchdowns in the US, then relinquished and allowed a refueling stop in Reno.  Cooper seemed unsure about where he wanted to go as observed by flight attendant.  There is no described external influence forcing Cooper to jump when he jumped, he exited the aircraft on his own freewill and volition.  Air crew stated they knew they were over populated landscape when jump suspected.

Cooper was in control of the mission and had co-operation of the flight crew, he did what he did when he wanted to do it.  He jumped when he wanted to jump.  All he had to do was specify south and 10 000feet on a stormy night to get the aircraft on V23.  Looking at Mapsheet L1 - who would choose a flight path to the north, west, or east over the Cascades out of SEA?

Where in all of that is there any demonstrable evidence of specific intent to get himself into Mexico by hijacked aircraft?  If he intended to go to Mexico he would have gone to Mexico.  A soft-spoken thoughtful gentleman like Mr. Cooper wouldn’t tell a lie would he?

If the assumption is true, and the argument is valid, it creates a Cooper puzzle – did he get himself dropped-off close to where he got picked-up, picked-up close to where he got himself dropped-off, or both?

Prospector, You are correct in stating that Cooper did not specify any airway.

But there were two airways between the Seattle VORTAC and the Portland VORTAC (which is now named the Battleground VORTAC).  The first is V-23 which was and is a dog-leg route between those two VORTACS and the second was V-23E (now designated V-495) which is a direct line between the VORTACS.

V-23E had higher terrain and could have presented a problem if the airliner didn't get up to 10,000 feet fairly fast and would have given Cooper problems if he had done a delayed drop in that area (especially with the several cloud layers and an overcast at about 5000 feet).

So the V-23 airway was selected by the flight crew and they never informed Cooper of that fact.  And it appears that Cooper was interested in jumping as soon as possible after take-off but no indication of a specific location for jumping.

I cant think of one thing Cooper said or did other than specifying "south" to indicate he wanted V23, or even knew about Victor airways, or knew where the plane was unless he somehow monitored them taking off and somehow sensed they had turned and were headed south? There isnt any recorded remark or query between Cooper and the crew about airways, that we know of. If he surmised they were on V23 he didn't say anything about it, that we know. 

What we do know is he began putting on a chute shortly after they were delivered and he inspected them - that was witnessed. He then turned his attention to the door and the stairs, then told Tina to go forward.

I dont recall anything in any transcripts that has him discussing airways with Tina or anyone else. Maybe he knew they had to be taking V23 on the assumption they were flying south over a low elevation route? He did wait to bail and asked that the plane be leveled and slowed (we have that from Anderson etal). And he identified Tacoma from the air.   

Maybe you know something we don't know?   My feeling is you don't know anything NEW ?

Tina's supposed discussions with Cooper are in Tosaw's book (printed about 1985).  They included remarks about the D-rings, the point that Cooper knew the airliner could take off with the rear stairs unlocked and partially down, the fact that Cooper had problems operating the stairs even after Tina told him how to do it, etc..

Lots of "funny stuff" was thrown at Cooper.

Wrong money bag, he didn't like that...
Dummy chute. (didn't say a word)
Missing D-rings (didn't say a word)

It's hard to say where Cooper was going. he wanted the stairs down prior to takeoff. once that didn't happen he opened the stairs early in the flight. did Cooper know where he was when he jumped? the original LZ seems to be invalid. the timing in that area is off...where is Cooper?

He is in the crack that threatens structural integrity.  Secure behind a defensive perimeter of ineptitude, corruption, and hatred.  Unknowingly engaged in his final battle like a snake eating its’ own tail.

Patience now.

Tina's supposed discussions with Cooper are in Tosaw's book (printed about 1985).  They included remarks about the D-rings, the point that Cooper knew the airliner could take off with the rear stairs unlocked and partially down, the fact that Cooper had problems operating the stairs even after Tina told him how to do it, etc..

What Richard Tosaw wrote in his book is now questioned. Specifically, what he attributes to Tina is probably not true - or at least it is almost certainly not verbatim, nor a direct quote.

I think Tosaw used a "poetic license" and utilized "Tina" as the voice to replay information that he got from other sources. Bottom line, I think what Tosaw wrote he felt to be true and accurate.

However, it probably was not Tina's actual words. Rataczak told me that he worked with Tosaw on his book, and he said that Tosaw described Tina as being impaired mentally - certainly her memory. Rataczak characterized it as "wiped clean like a white board" or words to that effect when we spoke in 2009.

Galen worked with Tosaw quite a bit, even camping out with him on the Columbia and diving in the river. Galen says the same thing about Tosaw and Tina - that her memory was shot.

Calame writes similarly, and says that her memory of November 24, 1971 is so poor that she would never be called to testify as a witness if DB Cooper was ever apprehended and brought to trial. A sad state of affairs for the primary witness to Norjak, particularly since she spent five hours in the skyjacker's company - and 45 minutes (estimated) of that alone with him.

I suspect that Tosaw got most of the information that he put in Tina's mouth from his brother Mike at the Seattle FO. At least that is what Galen suspects, and I think it is a plausible scenario. Mike Tosaw was an special agent in Seattle at that time, not assigned to Norjak, apparently, and also not well-loved by his brethren, according to Richard and Galen. I suspect that Mike Tosaw snooped in the office, fed it to Richard, who needed to cover for his brother and so told the world that he got the info from Tina.

I would have gotten the story directly from Richard if I was able, but we were just beginning to develop our relationship when he died of cancer in 2009. I spoke with Richard a time or two on the phone, and although he was a kindly gent and clearly somebody that I would have loved talking with, he only had limited energies and so I didn't push it. Alas.

'Georger:  You say:  " The information was for sales to the government and not for the public to know all about (to help with stopping public thoughts about uses of the 727).

What have you withed from the public while promoting Peterson as DB Cooper?  :

Isn't the job of a Boeing Sales guy to 'talk and sell'? ... to the public?  I wonder what the brain tissue of Boeing sales guys looks like. How do their neurons fire in one direction but not in the other and how do they know ?  I mean after years of practice talking and not-talking ... knowing and not-knowing ... them vs us et cetera. I'm always interested in the anatomical makeup of superior species! "   

Georger you are just full of it again as usual. When you have no real information, you just publish jiberish and it is a waist of our time.

Bob Sailshaw
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On the other hand you may be in the best position of all to actually interview crucial people at Boeing, being that you are/were a Boeing guy who knew people, knew the system, etc. By all accounts Boeing played a crucial ongoing role in this affair.  But, you haven't done that in all these years. Instead you crusade for Peterson being DB Cooper! So tell us, Boeing guy, did people at Boeing think Peterson was DB Cooper or is it just you? Do you speak for Boeing today?

Did you know Dick Placencia who supposedly worked on the Cooper vane for Boeing?

Let's cut the gibberish and get down to brass tacks! Or titanium tacks, as it were. (Please take note of how 'jiberish' is spelled. It's 'gibberish' last time I checked?



   

So how much global warming can we blame on DB Cooper?

Although small, that damned Cooper Vane added drag and therefore required a slightly higher fuel burn to meet airline speed requirements.

The last 727s and DC 9s are leaving service so the legacy tail gets shorter every day, but still...

These hobby flight sim guys are nuts for authentic physics modeling. Shutter, can you fly a sim 727 with and without the Cooper vane? Just kidding... 

I'd love to get a Cooper Vane off a scrapped 727. Gotta look into that.

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These hobby flight sim guys are nuts for authentic physics modeling. Shutter, can you fly a sim 727 with and without the Cooper vane? Just kidding

Ha, that's one thing that's not on the Flyjsim 727..the stairs deploy, but no vane.

Yes, the sim world is getting very scientific. the guys designing planes have hundreds of hours in them. same for ground features. I can get lost in some of these airports while driving my buggy. 

I'd love to expand that discussion. Do skydivers see the DB Cooper jump differently these days, than they did back in the early 1970s?

The general consensus that I see these days is that the skydiving community feels strongly that Cooper made it. The skydivers who spoke at the 2103 Symposium in Tacoma were passionate about Cooper's success. Hatley was also in that camp when we had lunch with Sail about a year or two ago, and surprised me when he said that Cossey felt the same way - "All skydivers - or at least most of us - think Cooper made it," Ralph said. He was very surprised when I told him that Cossey had told me, on the record, that Cooper cratered.

Bruce Thun re-enforces that idea. He said that all the skydivers at Thun Field were screaming - "Why didn't I think of that!" on Thanksgiving Day, 1971.

At the 2011 Symposium, Mooshie was the only skydiver I spoke with who said Cooper didn't make it. She thinks that Cooper and all of his stuff entombed himself in a really big mud puddle.

andrade1812    You say:  "Not sure the FBI appreciates the annual "Look at this case the FBI couldn't solve" news cycle right before they visit family on Thanksgiving. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the FBI had a short list of people they thought were Cooper, but never talk about because they don't have actionable evidence."

I asy:   Well the Seattle FBI Office has all they need to solve the case now as I gave Ayn Dirtrich in the Seattle FBI Office all the info they need to solve the case and she replied to me that she had passed my information on to the Seattle FBI "Case Agent".
The heart of my information was that Sheridan Peterson's Alibi to his where about at the time of Norjak was phony and my information was the FLAW in the Alibi that he was in Nepal delivering one of his two children (a requirement of their Female Doctor that all men should deliver their own children) and could not been at the scene of the crime for Norjak.

The FLAW was that neither of his two children were born in the year of Norjak (1971) but were born in: Son 1970 and the Daughter in 1972 and  in Nepal per persopo.com.


That completely blows Sheridan's Alibi and the FBI can use that lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime) to trade for no jail time if Sheridan tells the rest of the DB Cooper story.

So, maybe by this Thanksgiving the FBI will have finally solved the Norjak case. If not then it looks like a FBI cover-up as they have all they need. CASE SOLVED or why else would Sheridan have told a lie to the FBI about his where about during Norjak?

Bob Sailshaw
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Please, in the name of decency, before anyone is led to the gallows, study dossier on new person.  An opportunity for public viewing approaches, but patience is required.