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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #570 on: August 26, 2015, 01:09:00 PM »
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I was wondering, other than the placement of the clip on the tie, what else shows us that Cooper was left-handed? He wrote notes, did Tina see which hand?

I think the only note that Cooper actually wrote was the initial one stating that the airliner was being hijacked, etc., and that was written before he boarded the aircraft.  If the stories are correct, he specifically asked for that note back after the flight attendant had shown it to the cockpit crew.  The remaining notes were written by the flight attendants, including one who stayed in the cockpit most of the time and wrote down what she was getting from another flight attendant over the interphone.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #571 on: August 26, 2015, 03:59:50 PM »
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I was wondering, other than the placement of the clip on the tie, what else shows us that Cooper was left-handed? He wrote notes, did Tina see which hand?

The clip on the tie can only go one way. It clips to the shirt behind it.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #572 on: August 26, 2015, 04:04:51 PM »
He wrote notes? First I heard.

He had a hand-printed note that he gave to Florence, but whether he wrote it or not, leftie or righty, is not known. After that, he dictated all communications, as far as I know, or used the interphone to talk to the cockpit directly, such as when he told Rataczak to slow the plane down just prior to his jump.
 

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« Reply #573 on: August 26, 2015, 04:06:27 PM »
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I believe it's possible they might have the butts, but keep in mind that they have lost other key items as well.

The flight data is nowhere to be found.
No pictures of the money in the bag.
No pics of the chutes.
They claim they don't know who made the flight path map.
Did anyone ever hear anything about what was found on the seat. they removed it?
Different stories surrounding the money find. (FBI & Ingram's)


They might be good at what they do in certain parts of the FBI, but filing seems to be an issue with them, or keeping tabs on things.

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« Reply #574 on: August 26, 2015, 04:08:38 PM »
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I was wondering, other than the placement of the clip on the tie, what else shows us that Cooper was left-handed? He wrote notes, did Tina see which hand?

The clip on the tie can only go one way. It clips to the shirt behind it.

Which confuses me, as there's a picture of Lepsy on Ross's website showing a tie clip coming in from the right hand side, whereas the Cooper tie has the clasp coming in from the left-hand side.

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How a tie clip actually attaches to a shirt is something I've never really had to think about...
 

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« Reply #575 on: August 26, 2015, 04:09:25 PM »
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He wrote notes? First I heard.

He had a hand-printed note that he gave to Florence, but whether he wrote it or not, leftie or righty, is not known. After that, he dictated all communications, as far as I know, or used the interphone to talk to the cockpit directly, such as when he told Rataczak to slow the plane down just prior to his jump.

I conflated the McCoy hijacking with Cooper's.
 

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« Reply #576 on: August 26, 2015, 04:20:04 PM »
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I was wondering, other than the placement of the clip on the tie, what else shows us that Cooper was left-handed? He wrote notes, did Tina see which hand?

The clip on the tie can only go one way. It clips to the shirt behind it.

Which confuses me, as there's a picture of Lepsy on Ross's website showing a tie clip coming in from the right hand side, whereas the Cooper tie has the clasp coming in from the left-hand side.

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How a tie clip actually attaches to a shirt is something I've never really had to think about...

As Vicki was pointing out, in the USA the shirt buttons are on the right hand side of the shirt and the button holes are on the left side.  When buttoning the shirt, the buttons are pulled through the hole with the right hand.  This means that the "tie clip", not the "tie tack", can only be inserted under the outer shirt side (the one with the button holes) if it is inserted from the right hand side.

There is no evidence who put the clip on the tie as shown in those photographs.

Could the picture of Lepsy be reversed or could he be wearing a British or Canadian shirt?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #577 on: August 26, 2015, 05:33:52 PM »
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I was wondering, other than the placement of the clip on the tie, what else shows us that Cooper was left-handed? He wrote notes, did Tina see which hand?

The clip on the tie can only go one way. It clips to the shirt behind it.

Which confuses me, as there's a picture of Lepsy on Ross's website showing a tie clip coming in from the right hand side, whereas the Cooper tie has the clasp coming in from the left-hand side.

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How a tie clip actually attaches to a shirt is something I've never really had to think about...

As Vicki was pointing out, in the USA the shirt buttons are on the right hand side of the shirt and the button holes are on the left side.  When buttoning the shirt, the buttons are pulled through the hole with the right hand.  This means that the "tie clip", not the "tie tack", can only be inserted under the outer shirt side (the one with the button holes) if it is inserted from the right hand side.

There is no evidence who put the clip on the tie as shown in those photographs.

Could the picture of Lepsy be reversed or could he be wearing a British or Canadian shirt?
The photos of Lepsy are not reversed.  He appears to wear his tie clips on the right, except for the attached image, but it's not a good photo and is far from conclusive.

I think Vicki is spot on about clipping the tie under the shirt from the right side.  That makes perfect sense.  Another possibility is a person putting on the clip while facing the tie, like someone dressing someone or a person putting the clip on the tie while it's hanging in front of the dress shirt on a hanger.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #578 on: August 26, 2015, 06:42:56 PM »
Carr states he took the clip off & on. I'm sure it has been taken off dozens of times and put back on either side...
 

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« Reply #579 on: August 26, 2015, 09:30:53 PM »
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Carr states he took the clip off & on. I'm sure it has been taken off dozens of times and put back on either side...

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It was observed that the tie clip found with the tie, left marks on the back of the tie once removed. There were very few of these marks indicating that the Fig. 3 Tie tack holes found on Coopers tie. Note permanent depression surrounding hole on right.Fig. 3 Tie tack holes found on Coopers tie. Note permanent depression surrounding hole on right.current tie clip was not removed and replaced very often. The permanent depression left in the tie, by the now absent tie tack, suggested that a single tie tack was present on the tie for an extended period of time.
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« Reply #580 on: August 26, 2015, 09:40:01 PM »
Does anyone know why someone would refer to Portland as Portland proper?
 

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« Reply #581 on: August 26, 2015, 10:18:19 PM »
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Does anyone know why someone would refer to Portland as Portland proper?

Can you amplify on what you mean by that question?
 

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« Reply #582 on: August 26, 2015, 10:27:04 PM »
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Does anyone know why someone would refer to Portland as Portland proper?

Can you amplify on what you mean by that question?


Stated that they had not reached Portland proper but were definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity therof...
 

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« Reply #583 on: August 27, 2015, 12:16:24 AM »
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Does anyone know why someone would refer to Portland as Portland proper?

Can you amplify on what you mean by that question?


Stated that they had not reached Portland proper but were definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity therof...

Basically, they were just saying that they were not quite in Portland, but that they were very close.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #584 on: August 30, 2015, 04:12:24 PM »
Eugene was important to "Mr.Cooper" because he was born there 15 November 1927.
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