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Offline 377

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #510 on: August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM »
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Sluggo has responded to my 2-3 emails over the past few years, but it takes a while. I'll email you what I have.

Sure wish we could entice Sluggo to join the forum. Great guy. Deep thinker. Doesn't drink the Kool Aid, but more importantly, when Sluggo hears hoofbeats he thinks horses not unicorns or Duane Weber.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #511 on: August 03, 2015, 05:19:33 PM »
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Sluggo has responded to my 2-3 emails over the past few years, but it takes a while. I'll email you what I have.

Sure wish we could entice Sluggo to join the forum. Great guy. Deep thinker. Doesn't drink the Kool Aid, but more importantly, when Sluggo hears hoofbeats he thinks horses not unicorns or Duane Weber.

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Great!  8)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #512 on: August 03, 2015, 06:43:08 PM »
Has anyone had contact with Sluggo in the last couple years?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #513 on: August 04, 2015, 02:32:52 AM »
Yet once again, I stand corrected.

Thanks, Three-Seven-Seven.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #514 on: August 04, 2015, 02:44:34 AM »
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Bruce wrote" This was before fax machines and the such, so the FBI had to photograph the letter and then courier it by plane down to Billings. All in less than 24-hours, too, so the FBI clearly took this letter seriously, at least as a ruse for any Cini compatriots."

Not so Bruce. Fax machines have been around a LONG time. From Wikipedia "Scottish inventor Alexander Bain worked on chemical mechanical fax type devices and in 1846 was able to reproduce graphic signs in laboratory experiments. He received the first fax patent in 1843. Frederick Bakewell made several improvements on Bain's design and demonstrated a telefax machine."

Law enforcement agencies used vacuum tube fax machines to send images over phone lines routinely in the 1950s and early 60s.

From
comp.dcom.telecom:

"Western Union public fax services,Western Union ran several advertisments in the New York Times for its
public "wirefax"/"telefax" service.  I found ads for 1959-1962.

The maximum size of a document was 8.5" x 11", and the transmitted
portion was roughly 1" shorter on all sides (7.5" x 10").
Transmission took five minutes.

The service was offered in New York City, Washington DC, Chicago, Los
Angeles, and San Francisco.  In the time span I checked no additional
cities were added.

The material had to be taken to a Western Union office.  WU would pick
it up at an additional charge for their messenger.  It would be
delivered by Western Union messenger without charge to any place
within the city limits of the destination city.

The first 4" vertically between NYC and Chicago cost $2.40 and 40
cents for each additional inch.  plus Federal tax.  The first 4"
between NYC and San Francisco cost $4.00 and 65 cents for each
additional inch plus Federal Tax.

So, a full page letter (with margins) to Chicago would cost about
$3.60 per page, to San Francisco would cost about $5.95 per page, both
plus Federal Tax (10%?), in 1960 dollars, plus the expense of delivery
to the central WU office.  By today's dollars that seems quite
pricey."

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+1  :)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #515 on: August 04, 2015, 10:36:32 PM »
I see 377 got his fax correct  ;D :D ;)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #516 on: August 05, 2015, 01:49:11 AM »
Ha, ha, Shut...but you're correct.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #517 on: August 05, 2015, 06:19:07 PM »
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I see 377 got his fax correct  ;D :D ;)

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Good one Shutter. 😀
 
Back in the day (1960s) I got two Western Union surplus Desk Fax machines for $5 each. A few minor repairs got them working. You'd put the original on a rotating drum where it was point scanned by a photocell. The receiving unit used electrically sensitive paper which could be etched by a spark. Connect them over a phone line and watch the fun as the receiving unit synched up its drum to match the sending unit. Then pure magic followed. Under a hissing and spitting blue electric arc, a negative of the original image would be "printed". Lots of acrid smoke too. Quite a show for $10.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #518 on: August 05, 2015, 06:40:48 PM »
Is this it?


 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #519 on: August 11, 2015, 02:17:33 PM »
You bet, that's it exactly Shutter. Fairly small unit. Really acrid smell as the sputtering spark etched an image in the rotating drum. Smoke too. You felt like something real was happening, none of this sanitary dry xerography stuff. Smoke, flames, action. YES! And vacuum tubes too. Sweet little machines.

So does anybody besides me think Brian's parents could have planted the bills for him to "find"?  I admit it's a far out theory but it's not impossible. I keep thinking about the incredible coincidence of Brian digging in the exact right spot.

I wish there was a way to confirm or debunk the claims that other kids found bills nearby while fishing.

I am not convinced there was a debris field of shredded currency. Has anyone found proof that there was?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #520 on: August 11, 2015, 02:27:49 PM »
That's a tough sell. the money has so many problems. if it was planted what would be the reasoning?

I don't know much about the father, but he looks like he's been around the block a time or two...

I'm not sold on a debris field either. so many unanswered questions and mystery surrounding the money. I don't know if a conclusion will be found unless Cooper is found?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #521 on: August 11, 2015, 02:33:59 PM »
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I don't know if a conclusion will be found unless Cooper is found?

In all likelihood, we could find out who Cooper was and still have no idea how/why/when the money came to Tina Bar.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #522 on: August 11, 2015, 03:25:00 PM »
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I wish there was a way to confirm or debunk the claims that other kids found bills nearby while fishing.

I am not convinced there was a debris field of shredded currency. Has anyone found proof that there was?

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What?  You don't believe the FBI?  I'm shocked!

Oh, right, you want proof...hmmmmmmmm....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #523 on: August 11, 2015, 07:05:11 PM »
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That's a tough sell. the money has so many problems. if it was planted what would be the reasoning?

I don't know much about the father, but he looks like he's been around the block a time or two...

I'm not sold on a debris field either. so many unanswered questions and mystery surrounding the money.

Let's say that Brian's parents found Coopers body and loot. Both seriously degraded. They conceal the body and take the money. They wonder, can we spend it? Will someone else claim it? If we come forward they will ask where we found it and whether there was a body. Messy indeed.

They decide on a test. Young Brian will innocently "find" a portion of the loot far from the actual location where they found it. They will then see whether they can keep it and whether it's negotiable or otherwise valuable.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #524 on: August 11, 2015, 10:58:24 PM »
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Let's say that Brian's parents found Coopers body and loot. Both seriously degraded. They conceal the body and take the money. They wonder, can we spend it? Will someone else claim it? If we come forward they will ask where we found it and whether there was a body. Messy indeed.

They decide on a test. Young Brian will innocently "find" a portion of the loot far from the actual location where they found it. They will then see whether they can keep it and whether it's negotiable or otherwise valuable.

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Whew, that's a stretch. But possible!

But you met Brian. Whatcha think? The guy I met seemed like a straight shooter and not part of a scam.

Why not tell the world that you found the money and body and get to appear in a million TV shows, docs, etc???