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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #480 on: June 04, 2015, 04:31:15 PM »
Musika told me that she prefers to be called by her nickname, Mooshie, as Musika is pronounced Moosh - e - ka.

As for remote viewing Cossey's death, it sounds like a perfect application of the science of consciousness.
 

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« Reply #481 on: June 05, 2015, 12:15:07 AM »
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Musika told me that she prefers to be called by her nickname, Mooshie, as Musika is pronounced Moosh - e - ka.

As for remote viewing Cossey's death, it sounds like a perfect application of the science of consciousness.

We were supposed to know or mindmeld THAT!? 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #482 on: June 05, 2015, 01:40:58 AM »
Georger, if you had read and remembered ALL of my posts at the DZ over the years, you would know these details of my relationship with Ms. Farnsworth. And 377's....
 

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« Reply #483 on: June 05, 2015, 03:25:38 AM »
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Georger, if you had read and remembered ALL of my posts at the DZ over the years, you would know these details of my relationship with Ms. Farnsworth. And 377's....

Was it important?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #484 on: June 05, 2015, 03:55:44 AM »
Some utterances were more memorable than others, but my musings on the women of Cooper were all gems, imho....
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #485 on: June 06, 2015, 06:54:38 PM »
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If only I could feel Mooshie's heart beating close to mine....

Remote view Cossey's murder?  Great idea, Three.

See Musika's photo below. Skydiver, author, enigmatic beauty.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #486 on: June 07, 2015, 12:04:28 AM »
Ahhhhh...thanks, Three.
 

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« Reply #487 on: June 07, 2015, 03:04:27 PM »
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So here's a question I have that doesn't fit anywhere:

Today ties aren't universal. Most people who wear ties regularly, knot them properly. I know of nobody who wears ties and mixes knotted and clip-on ties. The only people I know who wear clip-on ties are kids working as bus boys in restaurants.

When ties were more universal, did people regularly buy both for convenience?

Ahhhh ... the Necktie! A piece of social ornamentation that infers class, which signals the social order and rights and responsibilities, and the further down the food chain you go the more likely a faux-tie (clip on tie) will appear. Flotsam and jetsam don;t necessarily have the brains to learn how to tie a real tie, much less the training or experience or privilege owing to their station in life. Cooper was announcing he was part of the social order, pure and simple! The question is: which part.  :)  All parts? Cooper the jester; the Court Fool or Clown?. A man with a Grudge, he said.

All animals have physical signs and adornments of their status and use those signs in life - no less the case for our Jester, Mr. Cooper. Like Bruce Smith flashes and flaunts his 'ornaments" signalling superiority or invitation!

Himmelsbach was very quick to place Cooper into a social status category: foul mouthed person possibly a food service worker : not an ex P51 fighter pilot aviation enthusiast like Himmelsbach himself who has had training and formal clearance but who has never seen actual combat beyond chasing gophers on the golf course in his P51 at government expense! Cooper is at a much lower social status than Himmelsbach who classifies Cooper as a Food Service Worker type. The clip on tie tells it all!

Then Kaye comes along and the evidence on the tie elevates Cooper to a higher status and sphere of learning. Rare earths and research facility with pure Titanium and such. Fool o Prince, it is Cooper doing an actual hijacking in a faux clip on tie no less ... he surely will be a celebrity in the prison yard!
       
The human Tie, like peacock feather and white furry breast plate - signs of status and intention be that submission or aggression.

Then he took the tie off when the job was done and neatly let it fall between two seats? Or was it on a seat? Our Cooper forensic researchers have yet  to clear that point up, or down, as the case may be.

Jesters in a comedy that has no end and plenty of drahma!

Gladys please pass me a stiff drink while I take my tie off, if you please. I have to use a bow tie tonight because Im going to the symphony. I will lift mine eyes -

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #488 on: June 07, 2015, 04:49:22 PM »
What is the pychological profile of DB Cooper? I mean, a middle aged dude jumping out of an airplane into the wilderness is extreme. He must have felt reached a do-or-die-crisis point to do something like that.

Also, does the fact that he pulled off the crime with such calmness indicate experience in dealing with stressful predicaments? Maybe this enhances the idea that he was a solider.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #489 on: June 07, 2015, 05:07:45 PM »
Kingdom, there is really no psychological profile on DB Cooper because all of the evidence has to be viewed subjectively, ie: what does  a clip-on tie mean, what does his parachute-choice mean, what does his knowledge of the 727 reveal about his background, etc?

In turn, our assessments of Cooper are seen through "cultural goggles." We see Cooper the way we want to see Cooper.

However, I discuss the facts of Cooper's behavior in detail in my book, and the many types of interpretations of his actions. Ten bucks at Amazon gets you DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking.

For me, I tend to agree with the guy flying the plane that DB Cooper was a smart cookie. I also agree with Major John Plaster and Sgt M Billy Waugh that DB Cooper was very likely a well-trained covert commando in Vietnam, such as with a MAC-V-SOG unit.

And Sailshaw's old tennent, Sheridan Peterson, has been investigated twice by the FBI for the skyjacking, so that is compelling as well. Not only is Petey a flinty recluse, he is also a smart guy who revels in weird travel, political hot-spot hopping, and bold skydiving escapades.
 

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« Reply #490 on: June 07, 2015, 06:05:31 PM »
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What is the pychological profile of DB Cooper? I mean, a middle aged dude jumping out of an airplane into the wilderness is extreme. He must have felt reached a do-or-die-crisis point to do something like that.

Also, does the fact that he pulled off the crime with such calmness indicate experience in dealing with stressful predicaments? Maybe this enhances the idea that he was a solider.

It may all come down to the nature of Cooper's grudge. Political? Economic? Something else? All of the above?

The FBI has never spoken one syllable to this aspect of the case. But unless the FBI was totally incompetent, which is doubtful, the "grudge" aspect of the case must have caused some investigation we know nothing about. The Cooper hijacking happened in a very highly charged political atmosphere combined with Cuban hijackings, and this possible aspect of the case may be one reason the FBI keeps so much of the hijacking close to its vest - it may not have any choice if other Federal agencies got involved.

It may all come down to the nature of Cooper's grudge in not only defining who Cooper was, what his motivations and social connections were, ... and where to look for such a guy whoever Cooper was. He told Tina he was doing the hijacking because he had a "grudge". He seemed very excited to get the money.

We have no information (and Bruce Smith presents no information in his book) about how Cooper's stated motive of having a grudge lead the FBI investigation, if at all. Did the FBI follow that lead at all?

Contrary to Bruce, there are profiles of Cooper all from different authors competing. We have H's and Tosaw's profile (much alike). The problem with all of these competing profiles is we have little to nail any of them down with - that is the central problem!

Very likely the FBI had several different profile-lines it investigated. Peterson and other known candidates were eliminated in the investigation; supporters of those suspects don;t want to admit this (they still post endlessly about their candidates!)!. Mitchell told us some in the FBI were focusing on suspects from the Eugene area, but no person here has ever looked into that.

So there it is.

Subscribe to the book/author of your choice. God knows there are a ton of them! Or, in the end you may form your own opinions and write your own book, like so many of the self-professed experts here who Remote View only to proclaim their superiority, being the final word on Cooper Shadows and Dust  -  :)

   
   

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #491 on: June 07, 2015, 09:08:29 PM »
"I don't have a grudge against your airlines, Miss, I just have a grudge," is what DB Cooper reportedly said.

Now, what does it mean?  Hmmm.  Did he hijack 305 because he had a grudge?  Yes, you could make that argument. Was he a gentleman because he used the word, "Miss?"

And so it goes.

All we really know and can agree on is Georger's nickname, "Grumpy."

As for the grudge quote, I did include it in the book, but I refrained from giving it a definitive assessment. I'm not sure what anyone thinks it means, or its specific value in determining DBC's psychological state. I believe it gets put into the general collection of sayings, attitudes, gestures, etc that make up the general persona of DB Cooper, along with nicotine-stained fingers, looking like a businessman, and generally acting like a gentleman although he got a bit giddy when the money showed up. But cool and competent while hijacking an airliner.

As Waugh told me, "It looked like a SOG operation. Well-planned and well-executed."

Also, Cooper's actions can be compared with the copycats. His behavior stands out as much more sophisticated. Plus he had sustained, deliberate interactions with the flight attendants, and kept himself veiled from 36 passengers for over two hours. Impressive crowd control, imho.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #492 on: June 07, 2015, 09:18:06 PM »
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What is the pyschological profile of DB Cooper? I mean, a middle aged dude jumping out of an airplane into the wilderness is extreme....

Well, KOGger, it begs the question of what makes something extreme. For instance, Three-Seven-Seven still jumps out of airplanes and he is WELL past his mid-forties, although I believe I am a year older than he.

As for "wilderness," the prime LZ was mostly rolling hills and farmlands, although there were and still are rugged, forested hillsides around the headwaters of the Lewis River and Merwin Lake area.

As for jumping at night, SOG guys did it because it was the best time to fly when folks on the ground are trying to shoot at ya.  Regarding the rain, again paraphrasing 377, it ain't raining under a deployed canopy. Besides, it's the PNW, what else did you expect....

See how this goes?  How do you want to spin the analysis???
 

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« Reply #493 on: June 08, 2015, 12:28:36 AM »
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What is the pyschological profile of DB Cooper? I mean, a middle aged dude jumping out of an airplane into the wilderness is extreme....

Well, KOGger, it begs the question of what makes something extreme. For instance, Three-Seven-Seven still jumps out of airplanes and he is WELL past his mid-forties, although I believe I am a year older than he.

As for "wilderness," the prime LZ was mostly rolling hills and farmlands, although there were and still are rugged, forested hillsides around the headwaters of the Lewis River and Merwin Lake area.

As for jumping at night, SOG guys did it because it was the best time to fly when folks on the ground are trying to shoot at ya.  Regarding the rain, again paraphrasing 377, it ain't raining under a deployed canopy. Besides, it's the PNW, what else did you expect....

See how this goes?  How do you want to spin the analysis???


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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #494 on: June 08, 2015, 03:18:26 PM »
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Georger, if you had read and remembered ALL of my posts at the DZ over the years, you would know these details of my relationship with Ms. Farnsworth. And 377's....

I am NOT as EXCELLENT AS YOU! which is the matter at issue you make?

One point worth considering but being avoided here is just how far does you book go in conveying important information about the DB Cooper case, which could lead to a resolution of the matter?

Or, is your book intended as a "Tell-All" in the Social Media vortex you in part are responsiblefor?

It seems every Tom, Dick, and Harry, and Blevins and Smith (Mary Sue and Betty Jane) has a "tell-all" to share with the Cooper world. All based on years of personal research of course! What makes your "tell-all" better or more significant than the last guy's, or the next guy's, or the one after that?

What would an ordinary Cooper researcher or fan need your book for beyond recreational activity? 

Have you discovered anything NEW about those suspects at Eugene yet? Or were WSHM., Mitchell, etal just wasting time on journalists like you, giving you facts to work with and then nothing?

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