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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #450 on: May 22, 2015, 11:13:45 PM »
It amazes me how many guys who talk about DB Cooper, make videos, etc, get so much wrong. Inconclusive money find???

I thought the money stuck in his coat like a clown was cool, though.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #451 on: May 22, 2015, 11:15:29 PM »
Yep, I seen that. I was talking about the production of the video. there was something else wrong, but I can't recall at the moment.
 

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« Reply #452 on: May 22, 2015, 11:36:34 PM »
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Yep, I seen that. I was talking about the production of the video. there was something else wrong, but I can't recall at the moment.

None of the pilots were Black.  :o

The anchor did not look like a zombie and come off like he knows the encyclopedia by heart (and your motivations too!)  ;D  ! That's progress!! :)  Videos should not be made by psycho patients on Ward IV who also have videos on their target shooting, Dialectical Materialism, and "How to Find Nazis in Argentina in your spare time" ?!  :-*   

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #453 on: May 22, 2015, 11:40:36 PM »
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Yep, I seen that. I was talking about the production of the video. there was something else wrong, but I can't recall at the moment.

None of the pilots were Black.  :o

The anchor did not look like a zombie and come off like he knows the encyclopedia by heart (and your motivations too!)  ;D  ! That's progress!! :)


I just liked the concept of it for some reason.....it would make a good intro if things were accurate.
 

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« Reply #454 on: May 23, 2015, 12:14:42 AM »
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Yep, I seen that. I was talking about the production of the video. there was something else wrong, but I can't recall at the moment.

None of the pilots were Black.  :o

The anchor did not look like a zombie and come off like he knows the encyclopedia by heart (and your motivations too!)  ;D  ! That's progress!! :)


I just liked the concept of it for some reason.....it would make a good intro if things were accurate.

Yes, the tone is better but with lots of basic errors. Was the FBI "tailing the aircraft"? (errors like that). The next morning reporters and the FBI descended on the town of Ariel Washington .... scoured the place looking for Cooper ... but found nothing. They have the age of Cooper about right. Money stuck to his vest ... poker player! 

I think one of the untold stories of the Cooper case is all of the independent people who searched for Cooper, in one fashion or another. I am sure you could collect personal anecdotes from at least 100 different people who looked for Cooper in one form or another, who talked to law enforcement people, etc etc etc. The collected stories from all of those people would make an interesting read - but again a collection of such stories has never emerged 20 years late!

   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #455 on: May 23, 2015, 09:50:26 AM »
Robert99 contacted me through a PM stating he has spoken with Meyer Louie. they wanted me to post his comment on the forum.

I would like to add a few things before I paste his reply. I have a lot of respect for Meyer, I read a lot of his comments on DZ prior to even speaking with him personally. he has a lot of knowledge, and was always involved with any road trips about Cooper. he joined this forum when it first started, but had some personal issues to take care of which anyone could easily understand. we all have a life outside of good old DB Cooper.

I'm glad you have made a full recovery, and hope you continue to have good health for many years ahead. I hope to meet you one day. I believe you share the same sense of humor I have, making it to be a meeting to remember.

As for the Atlas Media dealings. yes, I've done the Skype thingy twice with them, and will be doing another this Tuesday. it appears they are not leaving any rocks unturned.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your name at the bottom of this forum as an active member soon, but please continue to get better, and we all miss you here.....

Shutter

Message below is from Meyer Louie....."The Man Of the Month"



Robert99 and all my DB Cooper colleagues:

It's taken me a year to reply.  Sorry for the delay.  I missed y'all a lot.  Been busy trying to make living in a new area and get healthy again.  I live in eastern Washington now, the Okanogan valley, north central washington.  I took a math teaching job with Wenatchee Valley College.  It  didn't work out.  So, I am looking to be gainfully employed again -- back to the drawing board. 

Also, a year and a half ago, I had a stroke in my right eye, what's called a retinal vein occlusion.  Lost about 70% of my eye sight, but with treatment, I have gotten 99% of it back.  Lots of annoying floaters to deal with though, but at least I have most of my right eye sight back.  I still sing and oil paint.

Enough about me -- got some new stuff regarding the case.  This morning, I did a skype interview with Mark Dalbis, casting manager for Atlas Media, Burbank, CA.  Mark is trying to develop a quality program about the Cooper case, lots of people are still interested and intrigued, and he wants to talk to several of us who have some knowledge and expertise in the case.  A quality documentary production is in the offing.  I must admit, I wasn't as sharp as I would have liked, I was rusty on names, dates, and facts -- I've been away too long.  I did my best though -- I told Mark I believe my strength is more in the relationships and friendships I have kindled with all you -- my DB Cooper friends and colleagues.  I have made a serious attempt to get to know and interact with as many of you as I have been able.  It's been good, it's been rich -- the DZ forum, the WA state history museum DB Cooper exhibit, the 2011 symposium, several field trips to Tina Bar and Amboy with Bruce and Robert99, marathon phone conversations with Jo -- and on and on.  Mark appears to be a straight up guy.  He told me he would be willing to talk to Jo, Georger, Shutter, Safecrack, and Brian Ingram -- if you would like.  You may get your 15 minutes of fame.  When he edits down the interviews, there's a better than not chance you will be appearing on the program -- which Mark is hoping the History Channel or Dateline or whoever will pick up the production and broadcast it.  Mark stressed he wanted the production to be correct, quality information. 

Has anyone else done an interview with Mark Dalbis?

So good to be back.  I missed you!

Meyer

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #456 on: May 23, 2015, 11:20:05 AM »
Bruce Smith   You say "I thought the money stuck in his coat like a clown was cool, though."

I say:   "What is wrong with the theory that DB offered three bundles of $20's to the Flight Crew and it was turned down, so he then stuffed the bundles into the paper bag he brought on the plane and then stuffed the bag with the three bundles inside his shirt but it blew out when he jumped. The bag served to keep the bundles together until buried on the beach but rotted away leaving the three bundles together until found."

Just thinking about it here in Paris France,

Bob Sailshaw
 

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« Reply #457 on: May 23, 2015, 02:08:43 PM »
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Robert99 contacted me through a PM stating he has spoken with Meyer Louie. they wanted me to post his comment on the forum.

I would like to add a few things before I paste his reply. I have a lot of respect for Meyer, I read a lot of his comments on DZ prior to even speaking with him personally. he has a lot of knowledge, and was always involved with any road trips about Cooper. he joined this forum when it first started, but had some personal issues to take care of which anyone could easily understand. we all have a life outside of good old DB Cooper.

I'm glad you have made a full recovery, and hope you continue to have good health for many years ahead. I hope to meet you one day. I believe you share the same sense of humor I have, making it to be a meeting to remember.

As for the Atlas Media dealings. yes, I've done the Skype thingy twice with them, and will be doing another this Tuesday. it appears they are not leaving any rocks unturned.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your name at the bottom of this forum as an active member soon, but please continue to get better, and we all miss you here.....

Shutter

Message below is from Meyer Louie....."The Man Of the Month"



Robert99 and all my DB Cooper colleagues:

It's taken me a year to reply.  Sorry for the delay.  I missed y'all a lot.  Been busy trying to make living in a new area and get healthy again.  I live in eastern Washington now, the Okanogan valley, north central washington.  I took a math teaching job with Wenatchee Valley College.  It  didn't work out.  So, I am looking to be gainfully employed again -- back to the drawing board. 

Also, a year and a half ago, I had a stroke in my right eye, what's called a retinal vein occlusion.  Lost about 70% of my eye sight, but with treatment, I have gotten 99% of it back.  Lots of annoying floaters to deal with though, but at least I have most of my right eye sight back.  I still sing and oil paint.

Enough about me -- got some new stuff regarding the case.  This morning, I did a skype interview with Mark Dalbis, casting manager for Atlas Media, Burbank, CA.  Mark is trying to develop a quality program about the Cooper case, lots of people are still interested and intrigued, and he wants to talk to several of us who have some knowledge and expertise in the case.  A quality documentary production is in the offing.  I must admit, I wasn't as sharp as I would have liked, I was rusty on names, dates, and facts -- I've been away too long.  I did my best though -- I told Mark I believe my strength is more in the relationships and friendships I have kindled with all you -- my DB Cooper friends and colleagues.  I have made a serious attempt to get to know and interact with as many of you as I have been able.  It's been good, it's been rich -- the DZ forum, the WA state history museum DB Cooper exhibit, the 2011 symposium, several field trips to Tina Bar and Amboy with Bruce and Robert99, marathon phone conversations with Jo -- and on and on.  Mark appears to be a straight up guy.  He told me he would be willing to talk to Jo, Georger, Shutter, Safecrack, and Brian Ingram -- if you would like.  You may get your 15 minutes of fame.  When he edits down the interviews, there's a better than not chance you will be appearing on the program -- which Mark is hoping the History Channel or Dateline or whoever will pick up the production and broadcast it.  Mark stressed he wanted the production to be correct, quality information. 

Has anyone else done an interview with Mark Dalbis?

So good to be back.  I missed you!

Meyer

Meyer, it's good to hear from you. I hope things turn better and less stressful for you.

Take care Meyer.

G.



         
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #458 on: May 23, 2015, 02:23:07 PM »
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Bruce Smith   You say "I thought the money stuck in his coat like a clown was cool, though."

I say:   "What is wrong with the theory that DB offered three bundles of $20's to the Flight Crew and it was turned down, so he then stuffed the bundles into the paper bag he brought on the plane and then stuffed the bag with the three bundles inside his shirt but it blew out when he jumped. The bag served to keep the bundles together until buried on the beach but rotted away leaving the three bundles together until found."

Just thinking about it here in Paris France,

Bob Sailshaw

Same ole problems. Nobody said anything or gave a count about '3 bundolas' and the money went back into the bag from Cooper's own hand in any event ... I dont know WHY people keep trying to make something out of nothing!

Prior to that of course both Flo and Tina reported Cooper very excited 'child-like' and physically animated at the sight of all of the money in the bag ... as if her had never seen more than $5 in one place at one time in his life! He was temporarily overcome with gladness?  :D One has to think it was also a personal victory he was experiencing in getting authorities to delivery such a sum, in the first place! In a place and time where he could personally savour it  without fear of immediate intervention ....

But the bomb and the threat of a bomb was not far from the stew's mind during any of this watching Cooper's antics. It may have reduced the tension for a moment, and nothing more. :D 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #459 on: May 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM »
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Alright Gentlemen, the facts and you can take them and twist them until it to is "just another story".
Facts:
Touched down Merwin Dam
Picked up in Yale
Dropped off in Washougal
Train to just south of Stevenso, stayed 1 day.
Walked to Carson, stayed a day and a half.
Picked up, crossed into Oregon via route 35.
Destination Eugene Oregon.
Returned to Washougal in August 1973 to retrieve cash.
Returned to Eugene and never left.

There is what happened, now screw it up royal boys!

I dont have the adverse reaction to  Nightjumper71 the rest of you, particularly Shutter and Bruce Smith, seem to have. To be sure some proof or at least some series of logic is required in order to validate theory like the above, however: Why bypass the opportunity to learn something rather than closing the door on Nightjumper71 too quickly?

For one thing, Nightjumper71's theory has Eugene at it's center and that intrigues me because known facts of the DB Cooper case do involve Eugene. Let me mention some of those facts:

1. Mitchell says he was told that photos being shown him by FBI agents were weighted in favor of 'suspects in the Eugene area'. Several reasons may account for this - 

2.  Those of us who have researched this case know that after flight 305 passed out of Portland and Eugene airspace headed for Reno on the evening of 11-24-71, a discussion developed between controllers about an event that had occurred a week before in Eugene airspace with somebody dropping flares at night from a private plane. This ultimately involved law enforcement before it ended with a reports being filed with the FAA and the FBI. When things began to settle down at Portland and Eugene on the evening of 11-24-71, controllers began to discuss if the Eugene incident and the (Cooper) hijacking still in progress could be related.

This alone would be sufficient reason for agents at Eugene to pull photos of people in the Eugene area to show Cooper hijacking witnesses like Mitchell, looking for a relationship between the prior incident at Eugene and the Cooper hijacking.

Hours later of course and into the next day on 11-25-71, 'Janet' and her husband at Portland-Vancouver made their own 'flare or fire' report. Janet claims the FBI showed up at her front door and told her to say nothing further!

3. We have very little information about what agents at Eugene did in the DB Cooper case. Nightjumper71 has some reason for bringing Eugene into his theory. I would like to know why Nightjumper71 thinks 'Eugene' is important in the DB Cooper case.

4. We have been accused by Mr. Blevins of being opportunistic, Cooper Royalty, biased, invoking censorship for no good reason etc etc etc etc etc! I hope there is no truth to his claims. Let's not over-react here in this forum just because of the Venom Magnet, and our bad experiences with Robert M Blevins and Jo Weber!

That's all I have to say.

 ;) 


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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #460 on: May 23, 2015, 04:29:38 PM »
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I dont have the adverse reaction to  Nightjumper71 the rest of you, particularly Shutter and Bruce Smith, seem to have. To be sure some proof or at least some series of logic is required in order to validate theory like the above, however: Why bypass the opportunity to learn something rather than closing the door on Nightjumper71 too quickly?


He was asked several times, and by several members to state some sort of proof. he always responded with personal attacks. now, he's not permanently banned. I thought I would stop him for a while to possibly reconsider his approach. my decision was based on my opinion only. if Bruce agreed with my conclusion, that was his personal view as well. I said at the beginning that he was more than welcome to state his claim, but seemed resistant when asked for any type verification. I'm not going to allow him to continue the way he was in the past.

When people use the claim of not wanting the truth. this causes me concern. why would someone not want the truth? now, if you want me to lift the current ban he has, I will do it if you feel his comments are worth reviewing. it's your call?

Added: He was personal in his attacks, along with the name calling. I give two shits what Blevin's thinks about it!!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #461 on: May 23, 2015, 04:30:18 PM »
I wish NJ-71 had stayed around long enough to tell us how, where and when he got his story.

I recommend lifting whatever ban has been imposed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #462 on: May 23, 2015, 04:36:10 PM »
I revoked his posting privileges due to his behavior. he can still see the site. If Georger also agree's, which I believe he will. I'll allow him to post again.
 

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« Reply #463 on: May 23, 2015, 04:44:08 PM »
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I revoked his posting privileges due to his behavior. he can still see the site. If Georger also agree's, which I believe he will. I'll allow him to post again.

Thats fine with me - I kind of hated to see him chased off if he didnt want to leave.

I have thought all along that Blevins footprint is large - he did a lot of damage to people. The idea we are Royalty and biased and censor people for no reason is total bunk.

I would have given several warnings about personal attack and if it continued then maybe act... but N71 has some reason for his theory.

Lets discuss the case and its factual evidence if we can and try and get beyond all of this personal ka ka started by Blevins and Weber. Discussing the case is why we are here.

The FACT is: there is a strong factual Eugene connection in the DB Cooper case. I want to hear more about it. And I just HATE discussion about the case being washed away due to stronger "social media" concerns. 


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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #464 on: May 23, 2015, 04:50:36 PM »
Warnings were given. It's pretty simple when you come to a forum. you need to respect the one's around you. I'm sure if you allowed me in your home, you wouldn't appreciate me putting my feet on your coffee table? same apply's here. some jabs were tossed his way, and he returned fire. I told him and Bruce to end the shots, and move forward. he was warned again after the first time, so I had to do something the third time around.

I will remove the block, but he will be watched carefully....I never disrespected him, and I won't allow him to disrespect others!

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