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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #360 on: May 13, 2015, 09:48:55 PM »
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The problem is this, from day 1 everyone has been playing an endless game of follow the leader. Your hashing over the same worthless, dried up information that has produced nothing. Hell, you probably have crossed paths with "Mr.Cooper" and not even known it ;)

Well it is great to know that someone has all the answers.  Welcome aboard.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #361 on: May 13, 2015, 10:08:19 PM »
As a matter of fact i do have answers. Is that not what you have been wanting or is this just a hobby for you to pass the time ?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #362 on: May 13, 2015, 10:24:38 PM »
71, of course we would like to find a conclusion to this, so hopefully you will shed some light on this. we have seen others make this claim, so it isn't really something new, so to speak. I'm sure everyone here would like to hear what you have to say.

You have the floor my friend....
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #363 on: May 13, 2015, 10:46:28 PM »
HOBBY?

Night-Guy, I'm a professional writer and DB Cooper researcher.  I spent eight years developing my book on Cooper, and now I'm in the process of marketing it and working with film companies on documentaries. So I ain't playing games. Are you? You seem coy, giving us bits and pieces. Even if factual, such cat and mouse behavior is annoying.

So please, put up or shut up.

But, if you're a bit bashful and this forum is a tad too public, you can always call me or email. If you ask, I'll post my contact info or Shut can give it to you.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #364 on: May 13, 2015, 10:51:55 PM »
Mr. Smith, seems you need a good ole fashion ass whooping! Go blow your self righteous gas else where!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #365 on: May 13, 2015, 10:55:20 PM »
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Mr. Smith, seems you need a good ole fashion ass whooping! Go blow your self righteous gas else where!


Ok, you both have made your statements. lets keep on track of the discussion and try and move forward...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #366 on: May 13, 2015, 10:57:16 PM »
 :PNone of your suspects are "Cooper", but one played a very important role in this event. Good evening Gentleman and Mr.Smith.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #367 on: May 13, 2015, 11:01:23 PM »
I hope this is not "where Cooper came out of the woods"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #368 on: May 13, 2015, 11:07:00 PM »
I've highly suspected for the last two days that this was, "where Cooper walked out of the woods".
 

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« Reply #369 on: May 13, 2015, 11:48:49 PM »
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I've highly suspected for the last two days that this was, "where Cooper walked out of the woods".


well, he's got a chance to tell his story, so lets see how it unfolds. he's more than welcome to post it here. we discuss Cooper here, so lets see if this is really about Cooper.....none of us should be here anyway. Paul solved the case on 6/13/2013  :o :o
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #370 on: May 14, 2015, 01:08:32 AM »
my next noob question (and I hope this is the right thread for it):

can someone provide or link to the executive summary of argument(s) that cooper probably didn't (or even couldn't have) survived the jump, and being out in the rough terrain in the cold, rainy night.  iiuc, that is the fbi's position.

I know nothing about skydiving and parachutes.  my naive sense is that he had a parachute on, he presumably pulled the ripcord....soooo....  where's the problem?   I am prepared to have that thinking blasted to hell though. 

as far as surviving in the elements that night, after a successful landing, i have some relevant background, and I don't find it so hard to believe that someone with some knowledge could have made it.  especially if he had checked the weather forecast and worn long Johns under that suit.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #371 on: May 14, 2015, 01:32:57 AM »
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my next noob question (and I hope this is the right thread for it):

can someone provide or link to the executive summary of argument(s) that cooper probably didn't (or even couldn't have) survived the jump, and being out in the rough terrain in the cold, rainy night.  iiuc, that is the fbi's position.

I know nothing about skydiving and parachutes.  my naive sense is that he had a parachute on, he presumably pulled the ripcord....soooo....  where's the problem?   I am prepared to have that thinking blasted to hell though. 

as far as surviving in the elements that night, after a successful landing, i have some relevant background, and I don't find it so hard to believe that someone with some knowledge could have made it.  especially if he had checked the weather forecast and worn long Johns under that suit.

The 'executive summary' socalled comes primarily from FBI agents Himmelsbach, Tosaw, and Carr - with a little backup- help from the rigging master Cossey who claimed that the chute he rigged and Cooper chose had a peculiar two-step hard pull only an experienced jumper could have activated (a claim later debunked ?). Members of the Boeing Skydiving Club and other professional skydivers were the consultants for the FBI's assessment.

Points are:
1. Cooper demonstrated no skydiving knowledge or skills commensurate with jumping from a jet doing 200mph.
2. Was not dressed to make a jump from a jet at 10,000 feet or survive the weather conditions. Would have lost his shoes in the jump. Method of tying off the money would have knocked him out and/or resulted in a unsurvivable tumble.
3. Jumped in remote hostile terrain not suitable for a safe landing or safe-easy trip out.
4. Probably didn't get the chute open. 
5. His assessed profile fails to meet the 'McCoy' standard for skills or survivability: 'He knew just enough to get into trouble but not enough to pull off the jump' - this is the standard SA Carr cited.

Have I forgotten anything?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #372 on: May 14, 2015, 02:52:16 AM »
Cooper was a No-Pull Addendum

1. Used the dummy chute for his reserve.
2. Probably tied the reserve to the container with difficult-to-tie 550 parachute cord.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #373 on: May 14, 2015, 02:53:22 AM »
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my next noob question (and I hope this is the right thread for it):

can someone provide...I know nothing about skydiving and parachutes....

Fair enough, Nightie-nite. Perhaps this might be helpful:

There is an extensive description of the parachutes cited by Cossey, Hayden, and the FBI in my book, DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking. Have you read it? Would you like me to post the relevant sections?

I have also written extensively on the Cooper parachute issues on the Mountain News. Have you read those pieces? Can I help clarify anything?

How can we best help you understand the Cooper jump?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #374 on: May 14, 2015, 03:05:42 AM »
Confusion Alert!

Is db cooper and Nightjumper71 the same person? Their posts seem interchangeable, and I am certainly thinking of them as one-and-the-same person. Am I correct in that linkage?

Also, does anyone else hear the distant chimes of Skyjack71 ringing here????

Or am I just watching too much Netflix?

Anyway, when I first went to college I was the Class of '71.  Maybe I should change my moniker to Lehighdropout'71!

BTW: Nimi - that was as close to a frat as I got! Kappa Alpha invited me to ONE rush dinner, and that was it!