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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #315 on: May 10, 2015, 06:01:42 PM »
Where to jump when stealing an airplane:

Another consideration in picking an LZ is the ease the ground team have of finding and extracting their guy. This aspect of the case gets very little attention, as the notion of Cooper as a Lone Warrior predominates the view of most researchers. But it may not be true.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #316 on: May 11, 2015, 12:01:41 AM »
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Remember, the FBI gave DB Cooper a 12-hour head start.  He jumped at 8:13 pm on Wednesday night and the feds didn't send folks out until the next morning. First light was about 7 am.

What happened to the Cowboys?

As Georger has mentioned, there were no road blocks, neighborhood searches or warnings. Thursday morning saw about 25 local cops and volunteers look for Coop in over 20 square miles of identified LZ. The feds stayed back in Woodland awaiting developments.

Feds also commandeered six helos - from timber companies and the Oregon NAtional Guard. Plus Himms in his fixed-wing. But it was rainy, cloudy and foggy. Then the aerial search was called off for Friday and Saturday due to weather. Then resumed on Sunday.

A breakdown of the areas searched by each team and plot this on a map?

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #317 on: May 11, 2015, 04:21:39 PM »
The only "teams" that I know of came from the Clark County Sheriff. Under-Sherrif Tom McDowell told me his search was conducted in Amboy along Buncombe Rd, off Cedar Creek Rd, which is just south of the Ariel Tavern. He told me he had about 20 guys out in the woods.

No maps, coordinates, etc.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #318 on: May 11, 2015, 06:45:03 PM »
Bruce:   You say "Another consideration in picking an LZ is the ease the ground team have of finding and extracting their guy. This aspect of the case gets very little attention, as the notion of Cooper as a Lone Warrior predominates the view of most researchers. But it may not be true."

I say that I think there could have been two Ground Men (Cossey and Duane Webber). When Duane told Jo that "maybe I was one of the Ground Men" he was talking about where DB came out of the woods at the North end of Lake Lacama (just East of Vancouver). That location makes a lot of sense and could have meant that they were talking with DB to home in on where he was landing (in the woods). Duane could have got there first and Cossey followed as they all could have been talking on their CB's.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #319 on: May 11, 2015, 07:30:46 PM »
These were shot at the 2006 WFFC, DC 9-21 exits. Informative. These are highly experienced skydivers exiting and look through all the pics to see various displays of instability immediately upon exit. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The best bet for DBC, based on the Thailand 727 jump videos,  would be to have faced forward at the bottom of the stairs, pulled the ripcord and let the inflating canopy pull him off. No tumbling, no disorientation.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #320 on: May 11, 2015, 07:34:39 PM »
Did you forget the pics?

 

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« Reply #321 on: May 11, 2015, 07:45:00 PM »
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Did you forget the pics?

Use the clickable link in 377's post.  There are about 400 pictures at least at that link.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #322 on: May 11, 2015, 07:45:52 PM »
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Himmelsbach and Jerry Thomas are to NORJAK as Albert Einstein and Rutherford were to Physics, according to MR. Thomas!

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I really enjoyed meeting Jerry and his wife Shelley at the Portland symposium. Despite all our strong disagreement about Cooper's chances of survival (Jerry saying low and me saying high) he greeted me warmly and we had a great time trading opposing views. He has more credentials than I do to opine as an expert, having been a Special Forces survival instructor, military parachutist etc. I have a lot more jumps than he does but every one was made over a DZ, not one night wilderness landing. He also knows the area over which Cooper jumped and I do not.

Still, I think the chances of Cooper landing alive were high.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #323 on: May 11, 2015, 07:46:39 PM »
Crap  ;D

I didn't see that....thanks 99
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #324 on: May 11, 2015, 07:53:21 PM »
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Georger wrote:
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Himmelsbach and Jerry Thomas are to NORJAK as Albert Einstein and Rutherford were to Physics, according to MR. Thomas!

I liken Jerry more to Hahn than Rutherford. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I really enjoyed meeting Jerry and his wife Shelley at the Portland symposium. Despite all our strong disagreement about Cooper's chances of survival (Jerry saying low and me saying high) he greeted me warmly and we had a great time trading opposing views. He has more credentials than I do to opine as an expert, having been a Special Forces survival instructor, military parachutist etc. I have a lot more jumps than he does but every one was made over a DZ, not one night wilderness landing. He also knows the area over which Cooper jumped and I do not.

Still, I think the chances of Cooper landing alive were high.

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Jerry is pretty solid on an easterly flight path, and a no pull....I spoke with Jerry several times last week, nice guy.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #325 on: May 11, 2015, 07:56:58 PM »
This one is from the movie about Cooper The pursuit of DB Cooper..this was shot with the plane flying 150 knots...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #326 on: May 11, 2015, 08:11:29 PM »
Robb said he tumbled hard for about 15 seconds once he hit the slipstream, which occurred a few moments after he jumped.

Also, remember he was going at least 300 mph.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #327 on: May 11, 2015, 09:03:06 PM »
I made this a few years ago. it's also from the movie...the stuntman told Larry Carr 150 knots was as fast as he wanted to go...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #328 on: May 11, 2015, 10:36:58 PM »
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Robb said he tumbled hard for about 15 seconds once he hit the slipstream, which occurred a few moments after he jumped.

Also, remember he was going at least 300 mph.

If jumping from the end of the aft stairs of a 727, you would hit the slipstream in no more than one second.  I believe the 300 MPH guy actually jumped from a side fuselage exit and he would be contacting the slipstream as soon as any part of his body was more than 3 or 4 inches from the outside of the fuselage.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #329 on: May 11, 2015, 10:40:35 PM »
Mcnally lost his pants in the jump.. :o everything was spread out after he jumped...
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