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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2910 on: February 02, 2021, 09:49:52 AM »
Forgot to quote DFS post on survey/market research.  The case could have used this approach back in 1971.  I've spent some time in market research and can appreciate your thinking, both from design of surveys, to actually asking the right questions.  The 302s are pretty detailed, and a good summary, but after being on this forum for a few years, I realize that so many more questions would have been better.  I still believe the FBI did what they could at the time and that they had no idea that so many little details would be important 50 years later.  One question I'd ask of some of the investigators is "What do you wish you had asked the crew or passengers that you did not ask in 1971?"
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2911 on: February 13, 2021, 07:42:10 PM »
As per some earlier posts regarding Cossey and the chutes...   Why would you modify the location of the pullcord? Would this have anything to do with the size of the jumper? Could this be done to make it easier for a much larger person?          Does anyone know how many riggers were packing chutes in Washington at the time?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2912 on: February 13, 2021, 08:00:41 PM »
Cossey told me that he modified his NB-6/NB-8 to make it safer. When I asked how it would be safer, he said that the handle pocket would protect the rip cord from being accidentally being pulled inside a jump ship on the way to altitude.

As for relocating the ripcord, I got the sense that Coss liked to tinker with things.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2913 on: February 14, 2021, 11:42:04 AM »
How did Jo Weber get her information on the Heisson store? Was it in the 302s? Was it in a local police report? Was it in the newspaper? Or was Duane Weber actually Cooper?  :rofl:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2914 on: February 14, 2021, 12:17:23 PM »
The Heisson store burglary was not part of her original story told to the FBI. It was also not part of her early postings on the DZ. It only appeared on the DZ after her "reminiscense trip" where she toured the area, including a visit to the Heisson store itself. As near as I could figure, she got the story from someone in the area. She gets some details about the burglary wrong as well.



 

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« Reply #2915 on: February 14, 2021, 12:40:22 PM »
NickyB has interviewed the store owner’s family who said that Jo knew if the break-in when she met with them. I’m obviously not suggesting Duane Weber is Cooper, but I’d like to know how she came upon this information.
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« Reply #2916 on: February 14, 2021, 01:53:59 PM »
The bottom line is it was not information she got fron Weber. It was something she picked up sometime after the first DZ thread was shut down. She never mentioned it publicly until after her trip. She gets details wrong. And thanks to the FBI files, ww know for sure it was not something she mentioned as part of her original story.

If she didn't get it from Duane, then it was something she picked up on her own, in which case it has nothing to do with whether Weber was Cooper.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2917 on: February 14, 2021, 02:21:23 PM »
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NickyB has interviewed the store owner’s family who said that Jo knew if the break-in when she met with them. I’m obviously not suggesting Duane Weber is Cooper, but I’d like to know how she came upon this information.

... how? By telephone.  ;)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2918 on: February 14, 2021, 03:46:56 PM »
Jo has had an uncanny ability to "pick-up" facts along the way. Her ability to sleuth information and gain access to Norjak folks is singular. I doubt Duane is DBC, but who the hell is Jo Weber???
 

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« Reply #2919 on: February 14, 2021, 04:03:45 PM »
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NickyB has interviewed the store owner’s family who said that Jo knew if the break-in when she met with them. I’m obviously not suggesting Duane Weber is Cooper, but I’d like to know how she came upon this information.

... how? By telephone.  ;)
Yes. Text message.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2920 on: February 14, 2021, 04:04:34 PM »
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The bottom line is it was not information she got fron Weber. It was something she picked up sometime after the first DZ thread was shut down. She never mentioned it publicly until after her trip. She gets details wrong. And thanks to the FBI files, ww know for sure it was not something she mentioned as part of her original story.

If she didn't get it from Duane, then it was something she picked up on her own, in which case it has nothing to do with whether Weber was Cooper.
I understand all of that. Again, my question is WHERE did she become privy to that information?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2921 on: February 14, 2021, 04:28:20 PM »
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The bottom line is it was not information she got fron Weber. It was something she picked up sometime after the first DZ thread was shut down. She never mentioned it publicly until after her trip. She gets details wrong. And thanks to the FBI files, ww know for sure it was not something she mentioned as part of her original story.

If she didn't get it from Duane, then it was something she picked up on her own, in which case it has nothing to do with whether Weber was Cooper.
I understand all of that. Again, my question is WHERE did she become privy to that information?

Who knows? We can't answer that question. Why does it matter? We do know it wasn't part of her original story, which is a key aspect of any Jo Weber statement. She would take information in, process it, incorporate it into her own narrative. The only way to analyze Jo's storoes are to look at the original statements she made to the FBI, which we now have, and see what fits and what doesn't.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2922 on: February 14, 2021, 04:36:45 PM »
I guess the question is, what does the fact Jo knew about the Heisson burglary mean to you?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2923 on: February 14, 2021, 05:01:36 PM »
The robbery wasn't a secret was it? Hager told me about it in the mid 2000's. For what it's worth, he said that store was frequently broke into. He told me it was close to a railroad and people (some would call them hobos) would break into it before hopping the train and leaving the area. He was of the opinion that the break in didn't involve Cooper.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2924 on: February 14, 2021, 05:06:14 PM »
Pardon the formatting because I'm doing this from a phone, here is an email I received from Jo in 2017:


Evidently I missed a lot of action on the thread last night..I have not been very well so do not do much of anything with this...but the woman whose husband saw Cooper walking I spent 2 nights with her and her sister in 2010...they are REAL.  I have not heard from either of them in a long time now - believe they are both deceased...but the son is very alive and interested...would speak to the man.. ONE was VERY ill when I was there and the other sister later on became ill....the spouses of both women are also deceased.
 
The son I will be glad to attempt to put in touch with the man - but you will have to connect me to him.
He was pretty aggressive and he sounded very much like another person on the DZ...he just was way too far out there with the stuff that made no sense...but, I have not been here (on the site) in a couple of days.
The woman whose HUSBAND saw the man walking is deceased but the son is alive and well and in law enforcement and he will gladly relate his mother's story to the man...he believes that Weber was Cooper but being in law enforcement he does NOT get involved.  Just put the man in contact with me - I will have to find out if the guy still lives in the area and that he (the law officer) is willing to participate with the man.
 
I do not wish to interact with the aggressive man - but will speak with him if he wished to call me and I will tell him what I was told and what I was shown - 2 days with 2 sisters whose stories are very very believable.
It was not the woman who saw the man walking but her husband on his way to work - and he had NO knowledge of the skyjacking until he arrived home the next day.The other sister worked in the area for the POWER company and the place that stores the pump cars...she told me about some thing they found and what she saw herself...and that might be who he is referencing...she lived above the area and saw a man walking near where she lived...she had a cabin on near the bar but up in the hills toward where the part of the plane was found (the tag or whatever it was)...off of the door.  Another woman just down the road and along the road to the Logging bridge that has been gone for yrs...claimed the same thing.  The man saw the walker below the bridge and after he crossed the bridge - describe what he wore and what he carried but had NO knowledge of the crime until he returned home that evening....I know I am not telling this correctly, but I have the recordings and the letters they sent to me...but the FBI didn't even look.   That in itself told me they knew who Cooper was or could have been...
 
Another family claimed to have seen Cooper just before the approach to Yacolt Road but in order for the next so called siting he had to have gone into wood along a logging road that took him to the Heisson are..and the store was broke into early that morning...the only thing missing was food and socks....Duane had told me himself about knowing a guy who broke into the old post office and then it was verified in 2010 when I was out there.  Duane had taken me into the wood just about the Heisson  store and drove a ways into the wood and there was a clear where a tower used to be - he thought he was in the wrong place because the tower was gone...and after a moment he realized he was in the right place and pointed to the area the trees were lower and told me there used to be a logging road there and that there used to be a shed next to the tower that was gone and that one time he hid something behind and under the shed...it was walking distance to the store - evidently his feet where wet and cold...then he told me how slow the train when thru there as there was a cross ways of the highway...real easy to jump a car there that would have taken him all the way back to Portland - but that is not what he did...he jumped the car at the pipeline and you could walk for miles and miles along the pipeline and not be seen. Which way he went I do not know - did he go right back at them or did he walk South East - I believe a car was stashed at Homan, but that was too dangerous so I believe he went South East along the pipeline which would have taken him to the other places he took me.
 
That being the Green Mountain area  and he talked about having put something on a tower there - after that it was a cake walk..Green Mountain has been stones - it did in 1979 and a fence and a gate and lots of Dead trees and places to hide his bounty...or wait for the other party to pick him up - this is very near Lake Lacamas where he knew the man who grew the trees.  The power line intersect below there and it is well hidden...so I believe he took me to the other place he spent some time at and that was staying on the power grid all the way past east of Washougal where the swinging bridge was - that is one of the designated pickup areas was.or he could have chose a rail car and have went right back at them...either way his accompanist knew where to find him...at designated times...but I believe he was picked up not far from that point.  He may  or may not have had an accompanist - at any rate he had to get to his transport out of the area...I believe he hid out for a day or 2 before heading back toward Portland - he did hurt his knee.
 
If you want to believe he made it - then take a map and grasp my story - because why else would he take me to those places....and then take me to a place where he buried money in 1979 and it was found faster than he expected...why he suddenly left me and my daughter in CO while he supposedly went back East to find work...we had plenty of work in Ft. Collins and the area...no need to leave before my daughter graduated.
 
Odd that he quizzed her about her coach and his wife..supposedly he had read about the witnesses (2 of them having married coaches)  He wanted to know the name of the Wife....ODD?  Duane Weber was Cooper and I have not one little bone in my body that says anything else.
 
Widow of Duane Weber and John C. Collins and Dan Cooper aka D.B.Cooper.