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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2865 on: January 21, 2021, 12:46:00 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2866 on: January 21, 2021, 12:48:06 PM »
Its a nice map but I cannot move it north or south
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2867 on: January 21, 2021, 12:50:21 PM »
What do you mean. you need further than what is in the frame? after you enlarge it can move in any direction..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2868 on: January 21, 2021, 12:56:56 PM »
I cant get the other one to open either.  I am looking at yours now
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2869 on: January 21, 2021, 12:59:26 PM »
Ok, I can enlarge (zoom) it and move all around with no problem..I'm shocked at the clarity for a quick pic from my phone.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2870 on: January 21, 2021, 01:09:42 PM »
I can do one from overhead vs angled and better lighting if someone wants a better pic..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2871 on: January 21, 2021, 01:18:47 PM »
So it appears the dam is not far from Tena Bar?  So Rollins theory could hold some water?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2872 on: January 21, 2021, 01:22:08 PM »
You can probably come up with dozens of idea's inside or around the area of the jump zone. planes, trains, boats, bikes etc. etc. a straight line from Tbar to the dam is approx. 17 nautical miles..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2873 on: January 21, 2021, 01:27:40 PM »
So its kind of at least a two hour boat ride?  I do not know how busy the river is?  Or was in 1971?  I have to believe a guy that planned things so well for the heist, the parachutes and all, and the  metrics of the plane, had to have a detailed plan of the most difficult part of the robbery.  The Jump and escape from the woods?  Maybe there is some merit to Rollins theory even if not as specific as his theory?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2874 on: January 21, 2021, 01:36:30 PM »
It all depends on the size of the motor and speed of the boat. 5 mph or up to 30 mph..a lot of criminals don't think that far ahead and none of the copycats had any wild plans of escape..theories like the one Rollins has depend on Cooper knowing exactly where he was when he jumped.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2875 on: January 21, 2021, 02:00:52 PM »
Ha.  Yes on size of motor and all.  I do believe DB had this well  planned.  Well enough that almost half a century later we still have never solved it.  So what about the other question?  If he came out of the woods right now, and said here I am, and it was really him, in his 90s, nobody of course would believe him.  Is there any way to prove its actually him?  Is there any solid DNA on that tie that could be compared?  Or anything else that would prove beyond any doubt he is not just another of hundreds of lying idiots?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2876 on: January 21, 2021, 02:23:18 PM »
Cooper had the "jump" on them. it isn't really that hard to get out of the area long before they were on the ground looking..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2877 on: January 21, 2021, 03:25:10 PM »
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Ha.  Yes on size of motor and all.  I do believe DB had this well  planned.  Well enough that almost half a century later we still have never solved it.  So what about the other question?  If he came out of the woods right now, and said here I am, and it was really him, in his 90s, nobody of course would believe him.  Is there any way to prove its actually him?  Is there any solid DNA on that tie that could be compared?  Or anything else that would prove beyond any doubt he is not just another of hundreds of lying idiots?

Without knowing the particulars of the partial profile the FBI has, it apparently is enough of a profile it can exclude people who aren't Cooper, so if a new donor cant be excluded, then in a sense he is included. That is a start. Other evidence would then play a role. But I am betting that the last word on dna evidence hasn't been written yet. For one thing we know nothing about the specific dna sample the FBI has. Or the analysis the FBI conducted, or didn't conduct. We assume their analysis centered on a standard CODIS-13 analysis. There are other genetic tests that can also be conducted in addition to the standard codis-13 test, and the results of those tests are, if other tests were conducted ? Exclusion vs. Inclusion goes some distance as a start in profiling and narrowing down suspects ...  other tests could result in narrowing suspects to a few or one.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2878 on: January 21, 2021, 03:38:15 PM »
Well Georger I commend you for answering the question to the best of your ability.  Its a tough question to answer and i did not expect any magical answer.  The DNA from the recent television show was as I am sure you know, not DNA from Cooper, but accidentally from those I will not name attempting to solve this. I really wonder how good of a profile they actually have?  And why all the secrecy now?  By the FBI?  Its just crazy.  Just like the not telling this guy that said he was Clarence Angln from the Alcatraz escape, "sure, you have immunity, prove you are Clarence".  Too damn arrogant to do that.  And stupid.  The FBI.   Not sure if there is any smoking gun in this case that could ID Cooper other than solid DNA?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2879 on: January 21, 2021, 03:47:10 PM »
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Well Georger I commend you for answering the question to the best of your ability.  Its a tough question to answer and i did not expect any magical answer.  The DNA from the recent television show was as I am sure you know, not DNA from Cooper, but accidentally from those I will not name attempting to solve this. I really wonder how good of a profile they actually have?  And why all the secrecy now?  By the FBI?  Its just crazy.  Just like the not telling this guy that said he was Clarence Angln from the Alcatraz escape, "sure, you have immunity, prove you are Clarence".  Too damn arrogant to do that.  And stupid.  The FBI.   Not sure if there is any smoking gun in this case that could ID Cooper other than solid DNA?

Again the FBI uses the Codis-13 system. Their partial must include some of the following strs:

The 13 STR loci are: CSF1PO, FGA, TH01, TPOX, vWA, D3S1358, D5S818, D7S820, D8S1179, D13S317, D16S539, D18S51, and D21S11 have been selected as the core loci for use in CODIS (1).

Some strs's are more likely to register than others. A partial, by standard definition, must include 7 strs from the list above ...

and so it goes.
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