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Offline georger

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2790 on: November 26, 2020, 02:27:56 PM »
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It would of destroyed the plane.

Short of that happening, what is Cooper's plan for controlling the passengers and potential Marshals he asks about being on the plane?

After landing at SEA he allows/orders Tina to leave the plane ... he allows others to then come and go from the plane freely! He has no direct control over the front of the plane!

Whats he going to do if the crew leaves with only he and Tina left on the plane? His zone of control turns out NOT to be so complete after all - he has no means of comunication with anyone should everypne leave the plane - he cant talk to ground control ? . . . 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2791 on: November 26, 2020, 02:44:35 PM »
Cooper has made a HUGE TACTICAL MISTAKE. What's he going to do if everyone but Tina escapes the plane? Is he going to tell Tina to fuel and fly the plane...

This hijacking did not need to go the way it went. There were options. Has Mr. Cooper considered that! ? Cooper is in the dark - Cooper is an idealist idiot! The power can shift against him quickly ... he has no power beyond his bomb and convincing others to cooperate.  All Cooper apparently has is the threat of his bomb ... and others deciding to back down and play ball . . . others would have decided not to play Cooper's game and end this drama. 

Cooper is no cult hero! He is a vulnerable target if people decide to take that route!

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2792 on: November 26, 2020, 03:45:59 PM »
I grew up on a small farm in Clackamas, Oregon which is a suburb of Portland. My Dad bought vacant acreage that had been cleared of fir trees but stumps left everywhere. He used dynamite to help clear the land of stumps by simply using dynamite with dynamite caps which were regularly available at a local store in Clackamas. Between the dynamite and a tractor the land was quickly cleared. Wouldn’t a battery be required to set off Cooper’s bomb ?
Did Tina mention a battery ? I’m no expert here but WOW ...... 8 sticks of dynamite Would destroy the plane I would think !
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2793 on: November 26, 2020, 05:28:48 PM »
Flo or Tina said the battery was 6 or 8 inches long and as big around as her forearm. She said it had terminals on one end. Hager said it was the same batteries that they used to power their headlamps and floodlights when they were hunting raccoons at night.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2794 on: November 26, 2020, 06:09:26 PM »
I just posted a pic of the battery along with the dynamite and blasting cap..yes, a battery was seen and required..the dry cell batteries were originally designed for telephones. it replaced the crank generators that use to supply the power.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2795 on: November 26, 2020, 06:57:04 PM »
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Cooper has made a HUGE TACTICAL MISTAKE. What's he going to do if everyone but Tina escapes the plane? Is he going to tell Tina to fuel and fly the plane...

This hijacking did not need to go the way it went. There were options. Has Mr. Cooper considered that! ? Cooper is in the dark - Cooper is an idealist idiot! The power can shift against him quickly ... he has no power beyond his bomb and convincing others to cooperate.  All Cooper apparently has is the threat of his bomb ... and others deciding to back down and play ball . . . others would have decided not to play Cooper's game and end this drama. 

Cooper is no cult hero! He is a vulnerable target if people decide to take that route!

 :rofl:

The flight crew had ropes in the cockpit for escape purposes if they ever needed to get out of the aircraft in a hurry.  They could have left the aircraft without being seen by Cooper or him even having knowledge of their departure and they considered doing so.  But Tina was never in a position so that she could be removed by the people on the ground.  The flight crew would not leave unless Tina could also escape.  They would not abandon her.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2796 on: November 26, 2020, 07:04:52 PM »
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If any remote ignition sources were used then this rule would apply. remotes uses frequencies to communicate. today is the same with everything wireless. the standard wiring described here wouldn't apply. static electricity would?

CB.... 26.965 to 27.405 MHz

In 1971 the only transmitters/receivers on an airliner operated on a frequency band roughly somewhere between 110 MHz and slightly over 1000 MHz.  They also had navigation receivers (no transmitter capability) that operated on and below the standard radio broadcast bands.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2797 on: November 26, 2020, 11:33:49 PM »
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Cooper has made a HUGE TACTICAL MISTAKE. What's he going to do if everyone but Tina escapes the plane? Is he going to tell Tina to fuel and fly the plane...

This hijacking did not need to go the way it went. There were options. Has Mr. Cooper considered that! ? Cooper is in the dark - Cooper is an idealist idiot! The power can shift against him quickly ... he has no power beyond his bomb and convincing others to cooperate.  All Cooper apparently has is the threat of his bomb ... and others deciding to back down and play ball . . . others would have decided not to play Cooper's game and end this drama. 

Cooper is no cult hero! He is a vulnerable target if people decide to take that route!

 :rofl:

The flight crew had ropes in the cockpit for escape purposes if they ever needed to get out of the aircraft in a hurry.  They could have left the aircraft without being seen by Cooper or him even having knowledge of their departure and they considered doing so.  But Tina was never in a position so that she could be removed by the people on the ground.  The flight crew would not leave unless Tina could also escape.  They would not abandon her.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2798 on: December 14, 2020, 06:31:27 AM »
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Does anyone know the name of the passenger to whom George Labisonniere, in his interview, referred as the "man in the cowboy hat"?

I have received a letter from a passenger who was on Flight 305 on 11.24.1971. On the flight, he wore a cowboy hat and a western cut coat. He still has the hat. He is not the "cowboy" to whom George Labisonniere referred in his interview with the FBI.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2799 on: December 14, 2020, 06:45:20 PM »
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Does anyone know the name of the passenger to whom George Labisonniere, in his interview, referred as the "man in the cowboy hat"?

I have received a letter from a passenger who was on Flight 305 on 11.24.1971. On the flight, he wore a cowboy hat and a western cut coat. He still has the hat. He is not the "cowboy" to whom George Labisonniere referred in his interview with the FBI.

That's pretty cool, nice work.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2800 on: December 14, 2020, 06:46:22 PM »
What does he say about the hijacking, DFS?

Would you be willing to share his contact information? I'd love to chat with him.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2801 on: December 14, 2020, 06:59:56 PM »
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Does anyone know the name of the passenger to whom George Labisonniere, in his interview, referred as the "man in the cowboy hat"?

I have received a letter from a passenger who was on Flight 305 on 11.24.1971. On the flight, he wore a cowboy hat and a western cut coat. He still has the hat. He is not the "cowboy" to whom George Labisonniere referred in his interview with the FBI.
Please share. Sounds compelling.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2802 on: December 14, 2020, 08:00:10 PM »
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What does he say about the hijacking, DFS? Would you be willing to share his contact information?

The passenger does not want his contact details to be made public, but I suppose that I can share the following, which is the only substantive information that he provided:

"I don't recall having any kind of incident with any of the passengers, I was at the front of the first class section.  Actually, I had a front row seat to see the FBI guys come thru the access door in the front of the plane with the money and parachutes, after they were back there for a while everyone left the plane thru that door and down the portable stairs they had rolled up to the plane.  We all walked to the terminal from the plane. 
D.B.Cooper was in the back of the plane so I never did see him.  I remember it was shortly after we left Portland, Oregon that the no smoking light came on and the Captain asked we remain in our seats with our seat belts fastened."

Since he did not interact with the hijacker, he could not have been the "cowboy" mentioned by George Labissoniere.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2803 on: December 14, 2020, 10:08:16 PM »
I agree with FJ that something is wrong. passengers also seen Tina go outside the aircraft. I don't believe any of them seen the chutes. will have to read the 302's again..Tina gives detailed information about getting the money. I believe the passengers were gone when the chutes arrived?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2804 on: December 14, 2020, 10:32:37 PM »
Every passenger I have talked with describe two men coming onboard to deliver to money. In fact, one, Larry Finegold, knew one of the men, who was an FBI agent named "John" that Larry knew from the courts.

Yes, Shut, you are correct. Most information we have indicates that the passengers left after the money was received by Cooper. After the passengers left, then Tina went to get the chutes.
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