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Offline georger

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2775 on: November 25, 2020, 11:32:37 PM »
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Flo says about the same.."bundled as though they were taped together" this means the color was similar.

FJ is still trying to cobble something together that proves red electrician's tape - he has dropped his instance red elect tape was rare! Guess he has lost that one.  :o

As I said, his page comes from a 7 page case summary identified above. There were case summaries issued almost monthly (along with monthly suspect counts) from the beginning of NORJAK almost to the end, yearly. From Part 8 clear through to Part 52. There are dozens of them all multi page documents.   

The only mention of colored parts in the bomb were as follows:

Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation.
Red sticks are about the color “of my uniform”.
Sticks banded together with tape. (no color given)
(the sticks) were a “reddish rusty color”.                       
The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare and the man was holding between his fingers.

That's it. !   Sticks banded together with tape. (no color given)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2776 on: November 26, 2020, 12:45:23 AM »
The next time you quote someone put it in quotations or in the quote box. you said a lot of things FJ never stated.

As for the red tape. it's possible but trying to make a claim of certain people using red tape is a stretch. especially if you have a suspect. how do we know Cooper didn't run out of black tape or didn't want the bomb to look like what is seen on television? an electronic engineer would have every type?

If you watch crime shows you often see them caught on video buying things for the crime vs using what you have at home. what changed the stews mind from the original statement to knowing exactly what kind of tape it was?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2777 on: November 26, 2020, 01:18:48 AM »
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The next time you quote someone put it in quotations or in the quote box. you said a lot of things FJ never stated.

As for the red tape. it's possible but trying to make a claim of certain people using red tape is a stretch. especially if you have a suspect. how do we know Cooper didn't run out of black tape or didn't want the bomb to look like what is seen on television? an electronic engineer would have every type?

If you watch crime shows you often see them caught on video buying things for the crime vs using what you have at home. what changed the stews mind from the original statement to knowing exactly what kind of tape it was?

If Cooper had come to my house in 1956 he would have had his choice of every color of el tape available. All kept in my Erector Set box. Under my bed. I apologize to FLYJACK for not getting his permission to have them - FJ might not have been born yet!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2778 on: November 26, 2020, 01:26:46 AM »
I was talking about memory with Mark Bennett, while looking at tape I found the tape I always seen in the house. my mom used the hell out of  it. it's Scotch brand plastic tape. the box says "decorate-repair. it's very similar to electrical tape. the box caught my attention from seeing it in the kitchen drawers. I haven't sized the photo yet..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2779 on: November 26, 2020, 08:40:27 AM »
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He made a fake gun from dental paste and him and others stole a garbage truck parked at the prison. I believe the gate was dragged for miles on the front of the truck when the went through it. they stole another car and got away. I don't remember how they found him.

So he used a "soap gun" as they are commonly called in prison?  What a FINK that friend turned out to be
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2780 on: November 26, 2020, 09:57:28 AM »
I doubt it had anything to do with prison politics. he got the job in the dental office specifically to make the gun for escaping. McCoy was pretty much an overnight criminal. his record didn't indicate any criminal activity. he even wanted to get into law enforcement and was a decorated vet. he was on duty after the hijacking and helped look for himself in a helicopter. that's balls of steel right there.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2781 on: November 26, 2020, 11:18:46 AM »
I’ve often wondered if a sketch of the “bomb” existed. If so, it would be interesting to have an electrical engineer take a look and determine if it could be an actual working device.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2782 on: November 26, 2020, 01:29:04 PM »
I made a mockup of the bomb. I even made a detonator with a drycell battery the way I believe it was made.

It's not very hard to figure out. the dynamite needs a shockwave or small explosion to be set off. that's where a detonator/blasting cap comes into play. the cap is a small electrical device that sets off the dynamite. it needs an ignition source which would be a battery. the caps is inserted into the end of the dynamite. this has two wires coming from the cap. those are connected to an electrical source to set it off and make the dynamite explode. nothing is required in between the cap and battery. If the bomb was real, which nobody knows for certain Cooper apparently left one wire off or broken that stops the full circuit. connecting the wire would complete the circuit allowing the cap to explode and set off the dynamite. even if the bomb was fake he appears to have what was needed to make it appear real. one cap would be enough to set all the sticks off since it would also create a shockwave. his configuration is very plausible. I think Parrot would agree with what I have explained.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2783 on: November 26, 2020, 01:33:18 PM »
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I’ve often wondered if a sketch of the “bomb” existed. If so, it would be interesting to have an electrical engineer take a look and determine if it could be an actual working device.

see old posts on the subject

if the sticks were flares, even with a blasting cap, the socalled bomb would not explode.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2784 on: November 26, 2020, 01:47:12 PM »
Correct, but appears to be wired as so. he also mentions interuption with radio signals setting the bomb off. that wouldn't happen the way it's wired.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2785 on: November 26, 2020, 01:54:32 PM »
Here is my bomb..the sticks are 1" in diameter and about 8" long. the blasting cap is about 3". they range in different sizes. the battery is about 2" in diameter and 6" tall and has an actual vintage battery label I pulled from the net..

You connect the two wires from the cap to the battery and it will set the cap off..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2786 on: November 26, 2020, 02:02:54 PM »
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Correct, but appears to be wired as so. he also mentions interuption with radio signals setting the bomb off. that wouldn't happen the way it's wired.

Back in the 1960s/1970s, when dynamite was still being used in road construction projects, it was common to see signs that said dynamite was being used and to turn off CB radios when in a construction project.  Cooper may have just been throwing that comment in for good measure.

I don't know what frequency range CB radios used, but aircraft transmitters use the VHF and higher range.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2787 on: November 26, 2020, 02:09:43 PM »
If any remote ignition sources were used then this rule would apply. remotes uses frequencies to communicate. today is the same with everything wireless. the standard wiring described here wouldn't apply. static electricity would?

CB.... 26.965 to 27.405 MHz
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2788 on: November 26, 2020, 02:16:59 PM »
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If any remote ignition sources were used then this rule would apply. remotes uses frequencies to communicate. today is the same with everything wireless. the standard wiring described here wouldn't apply. static electricity would?

CB.... 26.965 to 27.405 MHz

How much damage would eight sticks of dynamite do ?  The range of its destruction zone? Why 8 sticks vs two? What is Cooper trying to convey? By showing his bomb he knows its going to be described over the radio...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2789 on: November 26, 2020, 02:24:19 PM »
It would of destroyed the plane.
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