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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2745 on: November 22, 2020, 07:07:13 AM »
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Does anyone know if they taped the conversation with Cooper at any point?  On the cockpit voice recorder?  If yes, was it released on this forum?

If Cooper's brief remarks over the Interphone were played over the cockpit speaker, as opposed to the headphones, then those remarks were probably recorded.  HOWEVER, in 1971 the CVR's had rather limited capability and probably overwrote the previous recordings about ever 30 or 45 minutes. 

Since it was about three full hours from the last words by Cooper over the Interphone until the aircraft landed in Reno, it is highly likely that the CVR remarks had been overwritten a number of times.
That sucks but that is pretty accurate from what I know about those recorders.  But at least having his voice at all might shed light on him having an accent?  And, who here would not want to hear his voice once?   Someone here must know if they have him on tape?  The FBI was supposed to release pretty much everything I thought?  Or was it the radar from the tower they would not release?  Nothing profitable would likely ever come from it.  But it would be interesting to hear.  They had pretty good audio recordings in 71 though.   My favorite music of all time came from the 70s.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2746 on: November 22, 2020, 11:56:29 AM »
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Does anyone know if they taped the conversation with Cooper at any point?  On the cockpit voice recorder?  If yes, was it released on this forum?

If Cooper's brief remarks over the Interphone were played over the cockpit speaker, as opposed to the headphones, then those remarks were probably recorded.  HOWEVER, in 1971 the CVR's had rather limited capability and probably overwrote the previous recordings about ever 30 or 45 minutes. 

Since it was about three full hours from the last words by Cooper over the Interphone until the aircraft landed in Reno, it is highly likely that the CVR remarks had been overwritten a number of times.
That sucks but that is pretty accurate from what I know about those recorders.  But at least having his voice at all might shed light on him having an accent?  And, who here would not want to hear his voice once?   Someone here must know if they have him on tape?  The FBI was supposed to release pretty much everything I thought?  Or was it the radar from the tower they would not release?  Nothing profitable would likely ever come from it.  But it would be interesting to hear.  They had pretty good audio recordings in 71 though.   My favorite music of all time came from the 70s.

Stews were asked to listen to recordings of suspects and say if it was Cooper's voice or not. The FBI had no recording of Cooper to work with but only asked the stews to work by memory - in all cases the stews said "no" the suspect was not Cooper. I dont have the time to search for those 302s at the moment ... 

this has come up  before...

*** ok I found one example. Guy called a radio station claiming to be Cooper. Station sent tape to FBI who consulted the stews ... they said not Cooper.  The 302 is D.B. Cooper Part 21-13 DBC 6245   not coopers voice ...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2747 on: November 23, 2020, 01:30:42 PM »
Cross posting from DropZone...

Does anyone remember which file went into detail on Richard McCoy? I remember the FBI had interviewed someone connected to McCoy who said he was home in Provo until at least mid-morning on the day of the hijacking, but I don't have it anywhere in my notes.

Also, does anyone know when McCoy checked into his hotel in Vegas on the 25th? And what about the time stamp on the gas station receipt?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2748 on: November 23, 2020, 02:21:43 PM »
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Cross posting from DropZone...

Does anyone remember which file went into detail on Richard McCoy? I remember the FBI had interviewed someone connected to McCoy who said he was home in Provo until at least mid-morning on the day of the hijacking, but I don't have it anywhere in my notes.

Also, does anyone know when McCoy checked into his hotel in Vegas on the 25th? And what about the time stamp on the gas station receipt?

Please and thank you.

Saw your post over there - there are 90+ files on McCoy !  They seem to concentrate in Parts 25, 45, and a few in 48.  I skipped a few to speed things up. ;)  Lets let Fly do this with his system ... GL.   ;)   

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2749 on: November 23, 2020, 03:13:44 PM »
we have multiple files on Mccoy in the vault..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2750 on: November 24, 2020, 04:14:42 PM »
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we have multiple files on Mccoy in the vault..

Boy what a character he must have been.  I would like to see one about his prison escape. I just learned the shootout he died in was in Virginia somewhere.  He was like a modern day Dillinger as far as his reckless behaviour
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2751 on: November 24, 2020, 05:33:48 PM »
He made a fake gun from dental paste and him and others stole a garbage truck parked at the prison. I believe the gate was dragged for miles on the front of the truck when the went through it. they stole another car and got away. I don't remember how they found him.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2752 on: November 24, 2020, 08:02:58 PM »
How the FBI found McCoy is a mystery. But the most compelling rumor is that the Feds leveraged McCoy's wife - eg: Tell us where he is the next time he calls ya, and we won't prosecute ya for being his getaway driver on the skyjacking.

O'Hara, the guy who shot and killed McCoy - and talks about it in the HBO docu - says he doesn't know how the tip came in, but intimated that Bernie knows. However, the docu director didn't discuss that with Bernie during their interview.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2753 on: November 24, 2020, 11:54:30 PM »
NEW evidence on electrical tape by FLYJACK!

Red Plastic Tape is mentioned in the files..
But, in 1971 red electrical tape was for pros. Black was the common generic one.
Where would red tape be used?
 
Red electrical tape signifies ‘low voltage, phase B’  
The sticks were reddish and looked like dynamite.. 
why bundle with rare red tape and not black?

Hahneman was an electrical engineer...

Therefore, red elect tape was unavailable to the public in 1971 - only to pro's (whoever they are)  ;)

Nobody could or did buy red electrical tape in 71 due to its rarity -

You had to have a doctor's prescription to buy RARE red electrical tape in 1971.

Hahneman was an electrical engineer... and the only person on Earth who could buy red electrical tape in 1971. 

Red electrical tape is tantamount to a dna profile in the Cooper case. Hahneman was DB Cooper.

FLYJACK solved the case on 11/24/2020. Case closed!    >:(

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2754 on: November 25, 2020, 12:19:50 AM »
Never heard of any type of tape requiring any kind of restrictions or prescription. it doesn't make sense to restrict something like that. you could buy the wire but not the tape?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2755 on: November 25, 2020, 12:34:34 AM »
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Never heard of any type of tape requiring any kind of restrictions or prescription. it doesn't make sense to restrict something like that. you could buy the wire but not the tape?

Fly's post is nonsense. I first used red electrical tape in the 1950s with my Erector set ... bought it at Jim's Hardware in my hometown .... 50 cents?  Peddled there on my bike and asked for it.   They had black, blue, red, green, yellow, and white as I recall. Colored tape then was like stickers for kids today! Kids had it on their bikes, ....

First it was language issues, now its cultural history! FJ must live in a cave in Transylvania? 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2756 on: November 25, 2020, 12:56:21 AM »
33 was black tape....35 was the red

Looking further it appears the numbers don't tell the color..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2757 on: November 25, 2020, 02:37:06 AM »
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33 was black tape....35 was the red

Looking further it appears the numbers don't tell the color..

I have a feeling electrical tape goes back to WWII, maybe WWI!

When Fly says it was rare and only pros like his suspect could get it - my eyes widen and I freeze. Funny.

I guess he is saying Cooper was a professional electrician ...    was he a Union man?  ;)

Tomorrow he will deny saying this and blame me!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2758 on: November 25, 2020, 11:45:42 AM »
January 1946, inventors Snell, Oace, and Eastwold of 3M applied for a patent for a vinyl electrical tape with a plasticizer system and non-sulfur-based rubber adhesive that were compatible. The first commercially available version of the tape was sold for use as a wire-harness wrapping.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2759 on: November 25, 2020, 02:52:22 PM »
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January 1946, inventors Snell, Oace, and Eastwold of 3M applied for a patent for a vinyl electrical tape with a plasticizer system and non-sulfur-based rubber adhesive that were compatible. The first commercially available version of the tape was sold for use as a wire-harness wrapping.

FJ replies today: Quote:

"According to a witness, Cooper's bomb was wrapped with red plastic electrical tape.
Red electrical tape was rare 50 years ago. The common one was black.
In the electrical field red electrical tape signifies "low voltage, phase B".
The fact that Cooper used red electrical tape instead of black is a legitimate point.  "

FLYJACK KNOWS ALL!   :congrats:
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