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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

I've never suspected Tina of having anything to do with the skyjacking. However, I've sometimes wondered if the 3 bundles of bills found in 1980 may have been the same bundles that Cooper offered up to Tina.

He takes a few bundles out of the bag and tries to hand them to her. She declines, saying they are not allowed to accept tips. Instead of putting them back into the bag (which already doesn't have as much slack in it as he would probably like), he somewhat hastily and carelessly slips them into his coat pocket or something instead.

We know the bills found at Tina Bar were at some point separated from the rest. And there was some separation of bills on the plane at the moment Cooper tried to hand some to Tina. Were the bills that got separated in the air the same ones that ended up being separated on the ground?

Who knows. Just something I've pondered a time or two. Did Tina ever say what Cooper did with those bills after she declined his tip? Did she say that she then saw him stuff them back into the bag?

Raoul-I always enjoy reading your posts.  Flyjack has hypothisized that those bills could have come from Tina.  Gunther's book says they fell while he was on the air stairs.  Seems possible that if they found three packets and there were three packets removed from the bag, that those could be the same ones.,  I still find it odd that only 300 of the 10,000 bills ever showed up.  I guess there are many many scenarios as to why this could have occurred.  Fun to think about it all though.

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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

I've never suspected Tina of having anything to do with the skyjacking. However, I've sometimes wondered if the 3 bundles of bills found in 1980 may have been the same bundles that Cooper offered up to Tina.

He takes a few bundles out of the bag and tries to hand them to her. She declines, saying they are not allowed to accept tips. Instead of putting them back into the bag (which already doesn't have as much slack in it as he would probably like), he somewhat hastily and carelessly slips them into his coat pocket or something instead.

We know the bills found at Tina Bar were at some point separated from the rest. And there was some separation of bills on the plane at the moment Cooper tried to hand some to Tina. Were the bills that got separated in the air the same ones that ended up being separated on the ground?

Who knows. Just something I've pondered a time or two. Did Tina ever say what Cooper did with those bills after she declined his tip? Did she say that she then saw him stuff them back into the bag?

Raoul-I always enjoy reading your posts.  Flyjack has hypothisized that those bills could have come from Tina.  Gunther's book says they fell while he was on the air stairs.  Seems possible that if they found three packets and there were three packets removed from the bag, that those could be the same ones.,  I still find it odd that only 300 of the 10,000 bills ever showed up.  I guess there are many many scenarios as to why this could have occurred.  Fun to think about it all though.

There is no possibility whatsoever that the three bundles separated from anyone or anything in the air.  If that had happened, the bundles would have split and the bills would have been scattered from Tina Bar to the Canadian border.

In all probability, the bundles arrived at the location where they were found, while still in the original money bag, during a high water event and separated from the bag at that point.  The money bag and maybe Cooper's mortal remains then went on down stream.

Agreed on the part about the bills definitely not free falling to earth and landing together. What I wonder though is if he stashed those bills in his pocket while still in the air (after trying to give them to Tina) and then landed with them (dead or alive) still secured in his pocket. Then of course who the hell knows what happened next.

Somehow the bundles in the sand were separated from the rest at some point. And the only separation we know of is when Cooper grabbed some of them out of the bag while still in the air. It of course doesn't mean those are one and the same, but something that's crossed my mind before.

I also wonder how the money was distributed at the time of the jump. Did he keep all bills in the bag? Did he manufacture the dummy chute into an improvised bag and load some of them in there? Did he load up his pockets? He also reportedly had some sort of grocery sack or something. Did he put any in there? The briefcase? His plan was foiled a little bit when they brought the money to him in a bank bag and not the knapsack he requested, so I could see him removing some bills to create more slack in the bag for tying purposes. Tina last saw him tying the bank bag to his waist, but he didn't end up jumping for quite a while after that. So I'm curious what he did during that time and if he made any changes to the money distribution before finally bailing.

Why would cooper put the money elsewhere

If you want to loan someone money and pullout your wallet and give money which they reject would not put it back where it came from? The bag was open in his hands?

I agree that it's probably the most likely case that he just simply returned "Tina's tip" to the bank bag.

As it relates to distributing bills elsewhere, we know he showed a little bit of frustration when he saw the bank bag. No straps, no way to close it and from what I've gathered is that it was stuffed so full that there wasn't a lot of slack to fold it shut. I could envision him removing some bundles to create more slack in the bag so he could close it better and possibly have an easier time tying it to him as well.

Some of you people are harsh.

And I've said this before, but I'll say it again: A lot of people in this case try to come to absolute conclusions about things that can not be definitively known.

Considering a possibility is not an accusation. Tina might have cooperated with Cooper and tried to personalize herself with him so that he'd be less likely to blow her up. That's not dishonor, that's survival. Maybe she jokingly asks for some of the money. And he gives her some. Maybe she keeps it so as not to piss him off. Maybe she lies about it for fear of legal culpability. Maybe it bothers her so much over time that she eventually gets rid of it, and it contributes to a breakdown and her entering a facility and a convent. I'm not saying I believe that's what happened, but it is possible, so you can't say that it didn't happen.

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There is no possibility whatsoever that the three bundles separated from anyone or anything in the air.  If that had happened, the bundles would have split and the bills would have been scattered from Tina Bar to the Canadian border.

Agreed on the part about the bills definitely not free falling to earth and landing together.

I disagree. I can't imagine that terminal velocity of a few bundles of money would be very high. It's not like they would be ripped at by 100 mph winds for 10,000 feet. If they were bundled securely enough to survive the deceleration from exit speed to their terminal, which would happen pretty quickly, then they might well indeed land together intact.

Again, I'm not saying I believe that happened, but it is possible.

Some of you people are harsh.

And I've said this before, but I'll say it again: A lot of people in this case try to come to absolute conclusions about things that can not be definitively known.

Considering a possibility is not an accusation. Tina might have cooperated with Cooper and tried to personalize herself with him so that he'd be less likely to blow her up. That's not dishonor, that's survival. Maybe she jokingly asks for some of the money. And he gives her some. Maybe she keeps it so as not to piss him off. Maybe she lies about it for fear of legal culpability. Maybe it bothers her so much over time that she eventually gets rid of it, and it contributes to a breakdown and her entering a facility and a convent. I'm not saying I believe that's what happened, but it is possible, so you can't say that it didn't happen.

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There is no possibility whatsoever that the three bundles separated from anyone or anything in the air.  If that had happened, the bundles would have split and the bills would have been scattered from Tina Bar to the Canadian border.

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Agreed on the part about the bills definitely not free falling to earth and landing together.

I disagree. I can't imagine that terminal velocity of a few bundles of money would be very high. It's not like they would be ripped at by 100 mph winds for 10,000 feet. If they were bundled securely enough to survive the deceleration from exit speed to their terminal, which would happen pretty quickly, then they might well indeed land together intact.

Again, I'm not saying I believe that happened, but it is possible.

The bundles were found basically on top of each other. I'm no physicist, but I bet if you dropped 3 bundles of money off the roof of your house they wouldn't come to rest within touching distance of each other. Let alone from 10,000 feet. Same general area? Sure. But practically stacked on top of each other? No.

The bundles were found basically on top of each other. I'm no physicist, but I bet if you dropped 3 bundles of money off the roof of your house they wouldn't come to rest within touching distance of each other. Let alone from 10,000 feet. Same general area? Sure. But practically stacked on top of each other? No.

If they were dropped separately, sure. But - Flyjack posits that packets of money were bundled together. (I know people have argued the wording and semantics of that, but that's beside the point.) So if three bank packets were rubber banded into one bundle, then that could conceivably fall and land as a unit. Look, I'm not saying that I believe that happened - I have no idea how the money ended up at T-bar. It's just that somebody said that such-and-such wasn't remotely possible, and I was just suggesting that it was.

I have seen this "stacked on top of each other" thing repeated again and again, yet I have never seen any documentation of this. Can someone provide me an FBI file or witness statement that says that bundles were "stacked on top of each other"?

Whether or not they were literally on top of each other or not, I do not know. But they were together. It's not as if he found one bundle here and then another one over there and a third one over there. According to his story (or his dad's story), he swept his arm across the sand and boom, there they were. Point is, they were all within inches of each other (which is what I meant by "practically" or "basically" stacked on top of each other). They were all in the same hole.

I have seen this "stacked on top of each other" thing repeated again and again, yet I have never seen any documentation of this. Can someone provide me an FBI file or witness statement that says that bundles were "stacked on top of each other"?

Brian told me they were stacked. Not exactly one on top of the other, as one bundle was askew by 30 degrees or so. There is a diagram on the Citizen Sleuth website that shows the three bundles' position, as Brian told us all in Portland in 2011.