Author Topic: General Questions About The Case (Read 838802 times)

Dfs346 · « **Reply #2685 on:** November 15, 2020, 05:14:06 PM »

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When you find the "Cowboy," please let me know!

In the KIRO-TV footage, the "cowboy" looked to be 20-25 years old. If he is still alive, he should be 70-75.
By elimination, he must have been one of the following:
* Clause, Roy D. or Clouse, Ray D. (Missoula)
* Keats, William (Minneapolis)
* Menendez, Adrian (Portland)
* Michelson or Mikelson, Dennis (Great Falls)
* Minsch, Patrick (Portland)
* Rice, Daniel (Great Falls).
Persons with these names listed in the US White Pages, and now aged over 70, include the following:
* Ray D Clouse, 138 Point Ln, Jacksboro, TN 37757-3831, tel. 423-562-2990
* Adrian J Menendez, 10320 N Armenia Ave, Tampa, FL 33612, tel. 813-933-5128
* Dennis Lloyd Michelson, 6322 146th St SW, Edmonds, WA 98026-3647, tel. 425-745-8377, 425-745-6076
* Patrick W Minsch, 9562 Eagle St, Juneau, AK 99801 (maybe now Friday Harbor, WA)
* Daniel L Rice, 1346 Main St, Buckley, WA, tel. 360-829-1438
(There are at least four persons over 70 named William Keats.)

grapesofwrath · « **Reply #2686 on:** November 15, 2020, 06:56:27 PM »

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When you find the "Cowboy," please let me know!

In the KIRO-TV footage, the "cowboy" looked to be 20-25 years old. If he is still alive, he should be 70-75.
By elimination, he must have been one of the following:
* Clause, Roy D. or Clouse, Ray D. (Missoula)
* Keats, William (Minneapolis)
* Menendez, Adrian (Portland)
* Michelson or Mikelson, Dennis (Great Falls)
* Minsch, Patrick (Portland)
* Rice, Daniel (Great Falls).
Persons with these names listed in the US White Pages, and now aged over 70, include the following:
* Ray D Clouse, 138 Point Ln, Jacksboro, TN 37757-3831, tel. 423-562-2990
* Adrian J Menendez, 10320 N Armenia Ave, Tampa, FL 33612, tel. 813-933-5128
* Dennis Lloyd Michelson, 6322 146th St SW, Edmonds, WA 98026-3647, tel. 425-745-8377, 425-745-6076
* Patrick W Minsch, 9562 Eagle St, Juneau, AK 99801 (maybe now Friday Harbor, WA)
* Daniel L Rice, 1346 Main St, Buckley, WA, tel. 360-829-1438
(There are at least four persons over 70 named William Keats.)

Thanks for the info! I wonder if the "cowboy" was one of the passengers who boarded in Montana....

DBfan57 · « **Reply #2687 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:33:25 AM »

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author=Bruce A. Smith link=topic=18.msg9663#msg9663 date=1460686117]
Passenger List

Does anyone know the name of the passenger to whom George Labisonniere, in his interview, referred as the "man in the cowboy hat"?

I am curious about this as well. The "cowboy" can be seen exiting in Seattle on the Cronkite footage, but aside from that there does not seem to be any interviews or further investigation by the FBI.

So the cowboy is the "babushka lady" (Kennedy Assassination) of this case? How the hell did you guys ever get the plane manifest? Is that what Bruce has listed? I would think that is not easy info to get? Do you suspect Cooper might have had "backup" on board just in case things went south with the cops? That is tough to imagine. But it seems in 1971 you could bring a bazooka on the plane if you wanted

Dfs346 · « **Reply #2688 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:40:54 AM »

Possible additional contact details:
Patrick W Minsch: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login (correction: mailbox not available)
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William G Keats 14 S Main St, Laconia, NH 03246, 603-524-1111, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
William F Keats: 64 Roydon Dr E, Merrick, NY 11566, 516-781-6769, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Dfs346 · « **Reply #2689 on:** November 16, 2020, 05:08:40 AM »

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How the hell did you guys ever get the plane manifest?

The list is by courtesy of Bruce Smith. Passengers eliminated are females; couples or parties travelling together; the FBI's five substantive witnesses; and persons who are now over 75.

DBfan57 · « **Reply #2690 on:** November 16, 2020, 05:42:54 AM »

Well I guess I am not the only "early bird". Good to know. I was looking at some photo's back in the day. You know, I actually would slip a note to Tina over Florence if I was actually trying to get a date with one of them. I see why you like her Bruce!

andrade1812 · « **Reply #2691 on:** November 16, 2020, 08:57:41 AM »

What were the major employers in Eugene OR in 1970? One of the anonymous suspects profiled in FBI 52 were from there.

Chaucer · « **Reply #2692 on:** November 16, 2020, 12:44:07 PM »

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What were the major employers in Eugene OR in 1970? One of the anonymous suspects profiled in FBI 52 were from there.

At that time the largest employer was the University of Oregon. Might be worth looking into the chemistry department there. There is also Jewelry & Metalsmithing program there.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2693 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:26:57 PM »

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How the hell did you guys ever get the plane manifest?

The list is by courtesy of Bruce Smith. Passengers eliminated are females; couples or parties travelling together; the FBI's five substantive witnesses; and persons who are now over 75.

The list I compiled and published is an amalgam from many sources. The Seattle Times published a passenger list in 1971, and Carol Abracadabra discussed it at the 2011 conference. But it is not 100% accurate. Shutter, I believe, found the NWO manifest some time ago, and it, too, is not complete. Lastly, Geoffrey Gray gave us lots of info on certain passengers from his perusal of the 302s back in 2008-9, but he never offered a full listing of the passengers.

I was also able to speak directly with a small group of passengers: Bill Mitchell, Jack Almstad, Mike Cooper, Larry Finegold, and Scott MacPherson. Each was able to give me a little more clarity about who, what, and where.

"Mrs. Kloepher's" presence on the plane, or lack thereof, is still in question, as is the total number of passengers on Flight 305. The traditional number is 36, but that number generally does not cite whether Dan Cooper is one of the 36, or was the 37th "soul" on the aircraft, along with six crew members. I opt to say that there were 36 passengers in total, including Danny Boy. That means 35 folks got off the plane at Sea-Tac, along with two flight attendants - Flo and Alice.

That's my current understanding of the situation.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2694 on:** November 16, 2020, 04:32:41 PM »

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What were the major employers in Eugene OR in 1970? One of the anonymous suspects profiled in FBI 52 were from there.
At that time the largest employer was the University of Oregon. Might be worth looking into the chemistry department there. There is also Jewelry & Metalsmithing program there.

There's a sizeable industrial park and region on the north side of Eugene. But I don't know any names of the firms. Eugene is mostly a college town, as the U of OR is HUGE, but it's more than just "Town and Gown."

Also, Springfield, OR is just across the Willamette from Eugene and is a "sister" city to Eugene, with LOTS of industry and business. Frankly, I was surprised that Tina decided to live there for as long as she did. Her home, as small as it was, was an emerald jewel of green and garden in a land of junked cars, potholes, and dirt-gray living.

As for Tina, she lives in Eugene now, from what I hear, and kinda within walking distance to her Catholic Church. That might be an issue as she had a handicapped parking sticker on her car a few years back and she - as I am - turned 71 this year!

Dfs346 · « **Reply #2695 on:** November 17, 2020, 06:02:48 PM »

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Update: e-mailed him and he is not the NWA305 passenger.

georger · « **Reply #2696 on:** November 17, 2020, 11:43:03 PM »

FBI CODIS Core STR loci.

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Epithelial cells - Cells that cover the inner and outer linings of body cavities.

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Unsurelock · « **Reply #2697 on:** November 18, 2020, 01:36:45 AM »

My DVR picked up a new Cooper special tonight. Seemed familiar. Tell me if it's familiar to you, too.

Start
- Violin music plays.
- Narrator takes 4-5 minutes to tell the Cooper backstory over found footage shots.
- Narrator takes 2-3 minutes telling you about the new theory by the new "expert" who has found that everyone else was wrong.
- Violin music continues.
- "Expert" interviews a new someone the FBI overlooked.
- "Expert" and others locate new search area nobody has looked in.
- Nobody finds shit.
- Expert says they're more determined than ever.
- Narrator asks mysterious questions.
- Credits roll. Violin music plays.

Next.

nickyb233 · « **Reply #2698 on:** November 18, 2020, 02:07:39 AM »

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What were the major employers in Eugene OR in 1970? One of the anonymous suspects profiled in FBI 52 were from there.
At that time the largest employer was the University of Oregon. Might be worth looking into the chemistry department there. There is also Jewelry & Metalsmithing program there.

There's a sizeable industrial park and region on the north side of Eugene. But I don't know any names of the firms. Eugene is mostly a college town, as the U of OR is HUGE, but it's more than just "Town and Gown."

Also, Springfield, OR is just across the Willamette from Eugene and is a "sister" city to Eugene, with LOTS of industry and business. Frankly, I was surprised that Tina decided to live there for as long as she did. Her home, as small as it was, was an emerald jewel of green and garden in a land of junked cars, potholes, and dirt-gray living.

As for Tina, she lives in Eugene now, from what I hear, and kinda within walking distance to her Catholic Church. That might be an issue as she had a handicapped parking sticker on her car a few years back and she - as I am - turned 71 this year!

What do you think brought Tina to the Eugene area Bruce? She didn’t seem to have any ties to the area...did her sister live around there? I know her sister and FBI agent husband took her into a facility around there when she had a breakdown accord to Galen right and she just kind of stuck around going into the convent and then after she left. Also coincides when we see a change in her religion and she is now a Catholic as apposed to a Lutheran.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2699 on:** November 18, 2020, 03:49:39 AM »

Tina was in the Lutheran Home and Health facility in Gresham, Oregon in 1979. Maybe earlier. That's 100 miles north of Eugene. How she landed there is wholly unknown to me. But apparently she did so from southern California, and her sister and brother-in-law.

After Gresham, my understanding is that Tina's sister, Jane, and brother-in-law, Lee Dormuth, transported her from the health facility to Eugene, to the Carmel of Maria Monastery of the Discalced Carmelites on Green Hill Rd. Why there, is again another mystery to me.

When she left the convent twelve years later, I'm not sure why she stayed in the area, either, but why not? She was 42 years old and Eugene is a college town, and it's a lovely city and area. Regardless, she enrolled in some community college, I am told by Galen, and rebuilt her life there.

Plus, there wasn't much for her back in Philly, and her two-years of married life had been in the Bay Area, and then she was in San Diego with Jane and Lee for awhile before Gresham. So she had no real roots or deep connections anywhere else. I sense that she had little to no contact with any of her colleagues at NWO after she left Alan in 1976. She and Alan had some strong friendships with other NWO personnel before they left the area for Oakland, circa 1974. Afterwards, it diminished. Alan moved back and remarried, and is still in NWO country.

I suspect that after the turbulence of her life, Tina may have been comforted knowing the nuns and the Church were not too far away.

On the other hand, many other reasons could have been at play.

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