"I am forced to check Shutter's forum to correct Georger's lies and persistent nonsense. Shutter thinks making a false claim isn't lying... he is in denial."

* Nobody is 'forcing' FLYJACK to do anything!

FJ reads words and sees special meanings only he understands.

A passage in one of Tina's interviews reads, quote: " He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package.

* FJ reads this and concludes bank-type bands = paper straps   and 'small packages' = "packets" a word FJ claims is a formal banking term everyone involved in the hijacking knew was a formal banking term. Tina could be asked today 'were there paper straps around the small packages of money? The answer is either yes or no! And Tina's words are 'small packages'. not "packets"! Tina could be asked today: "did you know packets is a formal bank term'?  All to satisfy FLYJACK's obsession with winning a debate he sees as a personal attack being conducted by me and others! Maybe by "bank type bands" Tina meant 'bank type rubber bands'? Did anyone ask her - No. FJ doesn't have to ask. He just knows what Tina meant.

Let me cite a third example and then I am going to try to close this nonsense off, or we could be here for eternity dealing with FJ's paranoid delusions.

Did Larry Carr find and talk to the bank employees that personally prepared the money for delivery to SEATAC, or not? Yes or No ? The answer is: YES.

*FJ's answer is not to discuss it and avoid it! He labels this: "Georgers strawman". He won't even admit it happened. Then he goes on to explain it, in a ludicrous flurry of thoughts and ideas telling us what the "The bank employees" actually claimed: " The bank employees claimed he randomized and rubber banded the bundles,, Larry Carr and Georger incorrectly assumed he was referring to the packets of 100 bills.. the randomized and rubber banded bundles were groups of packets.. the packets were NOT randomized, Larry Carr thought they were because he confused packets and bundles (groups of packets). The money went to Cooper in packets of 100 bills = $2000 each, those packets were rubber banded into randomized bundles. Georger can't get this, it requires he admit he has been wrong for over a decade.... "

FLY is correct. Georger can't get it. Because that is not what the bank employees said! Not what they told Larry or me. Not what the Ingrams said they found. And there is no FBI document or Interview record that says what FJ is saying .... even remotely. This is all FJ's imagination and paranoia run amuck. What FJ is saying is NOT factual history backed up by facts that anyone has shown or can even be proved!

The rest of FJ's post today is to castigate and threaten Shutter ... " The bank sent a letter to the FBI saying the money was in bank bands 100 bills = $2000 per packet.
Ralph Himmelsbach “There were 10,000 twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of 100 bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands.” Straps are another term for bank bands. Tosaw claimed paper bands and rubber bands.. Tina handled the money and said "bank type bands around each package". Here Georger lies.. to win an argument, he first misquotes Tina saying "bank bands" then claims "Tina meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked." This is a lie, Tina was not contacted, this is Georger's strategy to win an argument, lying is acceptable and winning more important than pursuing the truth. After catching Georger in this lie and me requesting clarification Georger shifted to plan B.. discredit and defamation,, since then he has engaged in a long term persistent defamation campaign against me. I have recorded all of it... evidence of a long term persistent defamation campaign and Shutter is 100% legally responsible. "

FLYJACK has an agenda - it goes far beyond the Cooper case or any discussion/exploration people could have about any case. It's something personal. He attracts attention and then he doesn't want attention or any debate about what he has stirred up. These people come and they go, but it always consumes a lot of people's time.

All FJ ever had to do was try to contact Tina or SeaFirst bank employees and try to clarify what actually happened and what people meant, or did not mean ... which is what Carr tried to do. It's what Tom Kaye tried to do to get a clarification about the money story. Kaye finally posted to Dropzone in an attempt to clarify the bands vs straps debate ... his words are still there ... but FJ has never mentioned that, if he even knows about it! Maybe FJ will now add Kaye to his list of liars and people who are WRONG ?

to be continued .... Flyjack will see to that! 

Hancock says some interesting things about Flo:

Hancock stated that the note the hijacker handed to Schaffner stated the hijacker had a bomb, in a briefcase he was carrying, and that he wanted $200,000 dollars and absolutely no trickery or interference or he would explode the bomb he said he was carrying ...

Stewardess Schaffner remained in the cockpit remained in the cockpit until just before landing in Seattle. 

Hancock says that ‘Flo’ had told her that he hijacker wanted to go to Mexico and was very concerned throughout the flight about Sky Marshals being on board the aircraft.

Then Schaffner went to the back of the plane and asked the hijacker directly if the stewardesses could go and he said: Whatever you girls would like”. Then Hancock and Schaffner left the plane with Mucklow still in the back with the hijacker.

*The issue of destination is usually stated as occurring immediately after the money and parachutes had been brought on board. (see crew testimony). Hancock reports above:  Hancock says that ‘Flo’ had told her that he hijacker wanted to go to Mexico and was very concerned throughout the flight about Sky Marshals being on board the aircraft. .... so evidently Cooper had already told Flo they were going to Mexico even before Flo took Cooper's note to the cockpit. This may have influenced Scott and shaped his conversation when he reports at 3:13 "Wants money in negotiable American currency ..."  Flo probably told Scott 'he wants to go to Mexico'. In any event it's Scott choice of language, not necessarily Cooper's.

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The matter of fact should be what is written on the note that came straight from Cooper's mouth....

Cooper wrote the original hijacking note which Flo took to the cockpit so it came straight from Cooper's mouth.  Cooper asked for and got that note back.  The other notes that Flo wrote while she was in the cockpit came from Cooper thru Tina so they are relatively close to his mouth also.

Degrees of separation. It's a simple fact. 

It's only lying if you are knowingly making claims that are not true and can easily be noted as false. if the money bag pops up out of nowhere and has bundles of $2,000 banded does that make someone a liar that stated several bundles of $2,000 were banded together in the bag or believed to be gathered that way? no, it just makes that person wrong..is a theory a lie?

A lot of things are in a very gray area..the bank states different bank straps were on the money...Tina did state bank type bands..then you have eye witness accounts telling a different story.

three bundles showing up miles from the path presents a problem anyway you look at this..it would take time to make different amounts and band them to make it appear to be random while on the other hand it would take a couple minutes to band different amounts of $2,000 bundles/packets/piles/cubes/wads etc. etc.

I believe Tina also said small packages and no mention of different sizes..gray area once again.

Thats right ... Tina said :  "$200,000 in cash in small bills"    Scott turns around and screws that up says:  "denomination of bills not important. "

 

I was talking about when she looked in the bag..she failed to say different size packages only small packages..this could be stating all the same size..it's a gray area..

May I ask another question about a seemingly well-known fact, that is, Cooper wearing "loafers?" I know that it has been discussed here before, but only in passing.  I just read a number of interviews with the crew in the "Vault' area of the website.  All those describing Cooper's clothing described his dark "shoes," without specifying the kind, except for Tina Mucklow.  In the section labeled: Interview of Mucklow 12/1-2 at her home in PA: she is quoted as follows. Clothing: Dark brown suit possibly with thin black stripes, brown socks, brown ankle length pebble grain shoes, not type shoes (loafers).

The wording is confusing to me.  I suppose it could have been mis-transcribed, as the document i was reading was not an original (Word document, rather than a scan of a typewritten document).  However, that could be read as meaning "ankle length shoes, but specifically not loafer type shoes."  In other words, possibly even low cut boots.  Not that it makes an enormous difference- Mark Metzler has said that he once jumped in loafers, with no big problems.  It is part of the mythology, though.  Are there other sources that describe Cooper wearing loafers?

Does anyone have thoughts on this earlier post of mine?  I don't want to traffic in gender stereotypes, but in my experience, women are often more observant than men when it comes to shoes.  If Tina Mucklow said "ankle length," that doesn't sound like a loafer to me.  She also doesn't say "boot."  Could it be something like this picture I found of a 1959 Genesco steel toed work shoe, supposedly made for the US Military?  I don't mean this exact shoe, but something like it.

Hancock says some interesting things about Flo:

Hancock stated that the note the hijacker handed to Schaffner stated the hijacker had a bomb, in a briefcase he was carrying, and that he wanted $200,000 dollars and absolutely no trickery or interference or he would explode the bomb he said he was carrying ...

Stewardess Schaffner remained in the cockpit remained in the cockpit until just before landing in Seattle. 

Hancock says that ‘Flo’ had told her that he hijacker wanted to go to Mexico and was very concerned throughout the flight about Sky Marshals being on board the aircraft.

Then Schaffner went to the back of the plane and asked the hijacker directly if the stewardesses could go and he said: Whatever you girls would like”. Then Hancock and Schaffner left the plane with Mucklow still in the back with the hijacker.

*The issue of destination is usually stated as occurring immediately after the money and parachutes had been brought on board. (see crew testimony). Hancock reports above:  Hancock says that ‘Flo’ had told her that he hijacker wanted to go to Mexico and was very concerned throughout the flight about Sky Marshals being on board the aircraft. .... so evidently Cooper had already told Flo they were going to Mexico even before Flo took Cooper's note to the cockpit. This may have influenced Scott and shaped his conversation when he reports at 3:13 "Wants money in negotiable American currency ..."  Flo probably told Scott 'he wants to go to Mexico'. In any event it's Scott choice of language, not necessarily Cooper's.

Interesting point, G. Thanks.