R99 or anyone: Are these numbers close, or are there better ones?  I'm going off memory here.

Flight 305 air speed: 175 MPH (what the plane would have flown with flaps 15, gear down, etc.)
Ground speed with no wind: 175 MPH. Same as air speed.
Distance (as the crow flies) from SEATAC to PDX: 129 miles
Winds aloft: I've heard anywhere from 0-20 MPH.  Variable winds likely.
Actual ground speed: ?

At 10,000 feet altitude and with the aircraft configuration specified by Cooper, the goal of the flight crew was to maintain an indicated airspeed of 170 KIAS, which translated to about 194 KTAS, or 225 MPH with respect to the surrounding air mass.

The winds aloft were 30 to 35 Knots from 225 degrees True (the southwest) at 10,000 feet.

The airliner was flying in a generally southern direction and the ground speed required reducing the 194 KTAS by the headwind component.  And, of course, the headwind component varied as the angle between the aircraft ground path and the winds aloft angle changed.

The distance between SEATAC and PDX (the airport) was slightly over 100 Nautical Miles. 

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...I gave serious considerations to R99 theory because it answers a lot of the questions of what happened to everything....

..Yes he could have survived and lived happily ever after ! I know that there were any number of ways to launder the money into spendable cash.

Two questions:

1. What R99's theory? The Western Flight path and a no-pull crater just south of T-Bar?

See post #2445 above.

The FBI flight path does not show  (a) 305 flew a straight line btwn Canby and Malay, and (b) 305 flying 'straight down the Columbia River for about ten miles with 305 'passing Tina Bar'! The FBI flight path does not show that! 

The above is only a persistent claim being peddled at every possible opportunity by some deaf guy, a survivalist, who lives near the dangerous Mexican border, who is also giving instructions on how to survive the COVID-19 virus currently threatening human life on this planet!

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The FBI flight path details are clearly visible below.   

This post is being reproduced here since the original poster has a habit of making wild claims, then deleting his post, and claiming that he never posted it in the first place.  But some of his irresponsible claims must be corrected since they basically slander everyone in sight.  Per the advice in the above post that "It is vital to get correct information vs propaganda ...", read on:

1.  The so-called FBI Flight Path is nonsense.  For instance, it indicates that the airliner flew 3 nautical miles in one minute and then flew 6 nautical miles in the next minute while maintaining a constant speed.  That just doesn't compute.  Other such problems can be cited.  Further, no pilot would have flown a ground track like that even if he was drunk and had a stewardess sitting on his lap handling the controls.

2.  I personally don't know a survivalist but I do know at least one survivor.  That survivor keeps up to date on world events and realized that the virus in question was going to be a big-time world problem and started preparing for that back in January.  That survivor does not give instructions on how to handle the virus, but the top medical people seem to be following the advice that he would have given if asked.

3.  The "dangerous Mexican border"?  Where is that?  I doubt if it is any more dangerous than, say, the area surrounding the University of Iowa.  But Iowa appears to have vastly more people who claim to be "experts" on ever subject under the sun than Mexico.   

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3.  The "dangerous Mexican border"?  Where is that?  I doubt if it is any more dangerous than, say, the area surrounding the University of Iowa.  But Iowa appears to have vastly more people who claim to be "experts" on ever subject under the sun than Mexico.   

I concur. Ames, Iowa and UI is about the LAST place I would deem as safe. My friends from Plum Island, NY left their bio-weapons research labs there a number of years ago and relocated to Ames so that they would be far away from metro areas, yet close enough to cultural experiences to attract world-class epidemiologists and the biochemists who do that kind of work and want an occasional opera or symphony to entertain them.

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...I gave serious considerations to R99 theory because it answers a lot of the questions of what happened to everything....

..Yes he could have survived and lived happily ever after ! I know that there were any number of ways to launder the money into spendable cash.

Two questions:

1. What R99's theory? The Western Flight path and a no-pull crater just south of T-Bar?

2. How did DBC get to the place where he laundered the money? What does your imagination tell us? Walk it through for us, please. EG: Cooper lands, takes off his parachute, and then what.... what does he do with the money? He unstraps the large white SeaFirst bank bag and he does ------- ??

Bruce ,  You are a journalist so pay close attention to my words above. I said I gave “ serious considerations “ to R99 “ Theory “. It’s a theory and I did consider it ! At no time have I ever said I agreed or accepted it as factual. It is indeed a possibility and if it ever turns out to be true, it does answer a lot of questions about what happened to everything presently missing. However I see no facts or evidence to cause me to accept R99 Western Path.

On the second set of questions you ask, I have plenty of the same questions also. Right now I tend to go with a landing zone close to the Battleground area. I’m not alone and I see many different individuals with very credible credentials that also lean that way. How about you ? If we are going to speculate that he survived the jump, then I do have some very precise ideas on how he could have very easily escaped undetected. We must remember that if he did survive, nobody that I’m aware of actual saw him ever again ! Sorry don’t bore me with some of these tall tales! I’m not buying any !

I accept that you are considering R99's theories as speculative. I understand that. Do you feel that I mis-interpreted you, or put words in your mouth that shouldn't be there?

Whether DBC landed around Battleground or not is another issue for another day. DBC definitely landed somewhere. What I'm asking is what you might think he would have done with the money once he was on the ground - wherever that was. Bury it? Take it with him? If so, how? Does he camouflage it somehow?

And I'm asking everyone here the same question. Eric says DBC buried it. I'm inclined to believe that Coop would have buried it to insure a safer escape until such time he could return and retrieve it - like with a car.

Unless, of course, Coop had door-to-door chauffeur service, courtesy of the USG.

What did Cooper do with the money?  Let's first assume he landed with all of it.  Some farmer north of Vancouver could have gotten it and laughed at everyone to his grave.  The most logical thing is that he buried it or hid it in the woods close to something he could recognize as a landmark when he came back.  The drawback to this is that he would have to come back, and that the money could get damaged.  However, if he takes it with him, he's carrying a 20 pound bag of money. But, we don't know how he got away.  If he was able to get to a car or had someone helping him, he might have carried it away.  He's just pulled off a huge crime, no one is really looking for him at this point, so he could just walk out with it.  $200,000 is a lot of money to just bury or leave in the woods.

Looking at everything we know now, I would have buried most of it in a shallow hole a few hundred feet off a road.  I would have kept a few bundles of money, as much as would fit in some pockets and could quickly have been thrown away if a police car came by.  I think 1 pound of the money was about $10,000.  I'd shoot for that.

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It doesn't really make sense. the plane they used was a 727 but the stairs were removed for cargo and jumps. they had an arsenal of aircraft for jumping. why use one with the stairs attached?

Exactly couldn’t agree more shutt. That’s why I’m miffed at people who try to explain cooper not knowing how to lower aft stairs and asking they be lowered from the cockpit with having experience with a military version of the 727. There is no evidence or reason for said military version of a 727 with stairs attached to exist.

well,  you must have different docs than I do - there is no record of Cooper asking anyone to lower the stairs from the cockpit ... to be sure the issue came up, after Cooper remarked to Tina the stairs could be lowered from the cockpit after the plane was airborne, but no record he asked the pilot to do it! Tina may have relayed his comment to the pilot and that may have started an exchange - if it did we dont have the details of that except that the pilot commented about it to Flt Ops. There is no record of the pilot telling Tina 'Tell the hijacker we dont have controls in the cockpit to lower the stairs from here . . . '   

For one thing, Cooper never talked directly to the cockpit during that period of time: 18:21- 18:38. I am referring to both the GG docs, the PI Transcript, and the crew interviews.

Cite your passage where Cooper asks the Pilot to lower the stairs, NickyB.       

Here's the two passages from which all the gobblewobble and blowfarb comes from. *Note that one of these passages is between the Pilot and the Ground Control, not between Cooper and the pilot. Again, keep track of the fact everything for and from Cooper is being mediated by ... Tina Mucklow.

Thanks for shedding light on that G, I was just going off what I heard from other people. Nonetheless weather he told Tina they could or asked them to my point remains the same Cooper knew that couldn’t be done and put it out the intent to mislead.

Each to his own propaganda.

What baffles me is why a multi million dollar passenger plane like the 727 could not have its aft stairs operated from the cockpit.  If you asked 100 people how the rear stairs of that plane were operated, would all 100 say it was only by a handle in the back of the plane and that it was the stewardess or a mechanic that did it?  I say doubtful.  Is it really far fetched to think that those stairs would be activated from the cockpit by a trained pilot versus a stewardess in the back of the plane? 

The whole aft stairs deal is another red herring, just like the Tena Bar money, the lack of an accent, the negotiable currency.  Anyone who walked on a 727 in the 1960's or early 1970's could have seen how those stairs were operated.  The fact that Cooper did not know exactly how they worked shows to me that he did not spend a lot of time on passenger airplanes, and maybe even didn't have much money at all to buy multiple tickets to learn all the steps.

What stands out to me is that he is task oriented. He doesn't appear to be the slightest bit afraid of parachuting. He is in charge, one way or another, and constantly moving toward his goal. No deception at all! (Just like the particles on his tie).   

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It doesn't really make sense. the plane they used was a 727 but the stairs were removed for cargo and jumps. they had an arsenal of aircraft for jumping. why use one with the stairs attached?

Exactly couldn’t agree more shutt. That’s why I’m miffed at people who try to explain cooper not knowing how to lower aft stairs and asking they be lowered from the cockpit with having experience with a military version of the 727. There is no evidence or reason for said military version of a 727 with stairs attached to exist.

well,  you must have different docs than I do - there is no record of Cooper asking anyone to lower the stairs from the cockpit ... to be sure the issue came up, after Cooper remarked to Tina the stairs could be lowered from the cockpit after the plane was airborne, but no record he asked the pilot to do it! Tina may have relayed his comment to the pilot and that may have started an exchange - if it did we dont have the details of that except that the pilot commented about it to Flt Ops. There is no record of the pilot telling Tina 'Tell the hijacker we dont have controls in the cockpit to lower the stairs from here . . . '   

For one thing, Cooper never talked directly to the cockpit during that period of time: 18:21- 18:38. I am referring to both the GG docs, the PI Transcript, and the crew interviews.

Cite your passage where Cooper asks the Pilot to lower the stairs, NickyB.       

Here's the two passages from which all the gobblewobble and blowfarb comes from. *Note that one of these passages is between the Pilot and the Ground Control, not between Cooper and the pilot. Again, keep track of the fact everything for and from Cooper is being mediated by ... Tina Mucklow.

Thanks for shedding light on that G, I was just going off what I heard from other people. Nonetheless weather he told Tina they could or asked them to my point remains the same Cooper knew that couldn’t be done and put it out the intent to mislead.

Each to his own propaganda.

What baffles me is why a multi million dollar passenger plane like the 727 could not have its aft stairs operated from the cockpit.  If you asked 100 people how the rear stairs of that plane were operated, would all 100 say it was only by a handle in the back of the plane and that it was the stewardess or a mechanic that did it?  I say doubtful.  Is it really far fetched to think that those stairs would be activated from the cockpit by a trained pilot versus a stewardess in the back of the plane? 

The whole aft stairs deal is another red herring, just like the Tena Bar money, the lack of an accent, the negotiable currency.  Anyone who walked on a 727 in the 1960's or early 1970's could have seen how those stairs were operated.  The fact that Cooper did not know exactly how they worked shows to me that he did not spend a lot of time on passenger airplanes, and maybe even didn't have much money at all to buy multiple tickets to learn all the steps.

What stands out to me is that he is task oriented. He doesn't appear to be the slightest bit afraid of parachuting. He is in charge, one way or another, and constantly moving toward his goal. No deception at all! (Just like the particles on his tie).   

Thinking more on this and after listening to the latest episode of the cooper vortex which is one of the best ones yet by the way. I encourage every cooperite to give it a listen.  I’m gonna say cooper wasn’t trying to be deceptive or mislead but he was just extremely smart and didn’t want to give away any obvious tells. Just like how there was 250k set aside but he only asked for 200k why maybe because asking for 250 the exact amount they had allotted for ransom in that area would of been a huge tell. If cooper knew about this money he knew he could of got this quick and easy but if he asked for over 250k they would of had to go to other sources and that would of slowed down the opp. As cooper said he wanted to get this show on the road. So in hindsight here the 200k request was perfect, just enough under not to raise suspicions and not over what they had set aside so they wouldn’t have to go to other places to get the rest which would have taken longer... it was all just sitting there in one spot at sea first bank for him ready to rumble. There is a reason they call this the perfect crime. Cooper wasn’t a criminal committing a crime, he was an extremely smart indivisible with the expertise, skills, experience and an ax to grind. Now Let’s look at flys boy hahneman and why you can eliminate him. Like you said G cooper was task oriented and wanted things moving along because he realized the longer it went on the more of a chance something could happen (fbi would have more time to plan some funny stuff) hahneman got his ransom in 100’s but asked for 500 and 1k bills which is kind of stupid if you ask me...people didn’t have many 500 or 1k bills back then so what would make you think that banks had all these 500 and 1k bills laying around lol and it delayed his opp for 4 hours because they were scrambling to find these bills only to tell him sorry you are stuck with these hundos they don’t make these bills anymore. When cooper asked for his Knapsack and didn’t get it he didn’t slow down the show and request they brought one to him he improvised. This also points to the notion it wasn’t about the money, correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t coopers 200k the least amount asked for in any hijaking of its nature? If it was about the money and cooper needed it well why not get greedy and ask for more like the others who clearly did ala McCoy 500k. Going back about not giving tells it’s the same deal with the aft stairs, he wasn’t gonna give a tell on that either. I’m in the camp that cooper was extremely smart and meticulous, that’s why he pulled this off and we are here on this forum... not hey he knew some things and got a little lucky too. Cooper was playing 3D level chess on that thanksgiving eve. He dotted every t and crossed every I. Too find cooper you got to be operating on his same level of intellect and sophistication...look for the less obvious subtleties like language, demeanor, the drink he ordered, the cigs he smoked, the fact he was a middle aged man wearing a clip on tie, tie clip? Most likely he wasn’t a casual tie rocker to have one on this are typically donned by regular tie wearers  and why mother of pearl? why did he have sunglasses the fact he took them off suggests it wasn’t purely to disguise himself or why take them off wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? These are all the type of things that will get us to Dan Cooper and that’s what we need to focus on not Tina bar or the flight path which although separate interesting mysteries in there own right will not get us to the promise land.

I asked an Air America pilot once to describe his job there, and he told me, "We dropped a lot of rice."

Interestingly, I'm finding is that at least one of the CIA's other asset companies, Intermountain Aviation, was used in creative ways to circumvent red tape and get humanitarian jobs done, even at home. It might be flying a crash victim home at no cost because the military couldn't (regulations), or dropping Christmas presents to Native Americans, also because the military couldn't (also regulations). Intermountain was used creatively by officers to get a job done that they were otherwise prevented from doing. Kind of like a slush fund, benign at least at first.

The other really interesting thing is that after years of making no headlines, this former Utah-based local aviation company relocates to Arizona and begins organizing massive amounts of skydiving activity beginning in 1961-1962 and increasing. When they are sold just months before being outed as a CIA asset, they are sold to an Oregon Helicopter company southwest of Portland that also belongs to the CIA.