That means that you are not as smart as Cooper was! 

Cooper was DB Cooper. You are an ELVIS impersonator trying to hijack the Cooper case for self promotion and financial gain!

You are simply profiting off what DB Cooper did -
   

You're on the wrong site GEORGER. You need to hang out with the children at the DZ. You know, the ones who lie non-stop, whine and pretend they're relevant and that anyone actually gives a damn what they say about the Cooper case.

Perhaps that's why they spend all of their time digging up speeding tickets from 1989, accusing me of domestic abuse (of course I challenged TrollJack to put his money where his mouth is on this salacious charge by wagering a $1000 bet for charity...Needless to say, TrollJack had to back off and ponder whether I plead guilty, entered a domestic diversion program, then somehow expunged all of the records) and accuse me of stealing my own research into the case.

Yes GEORGER, the DZ is where you should play, whine, and troll with your kin.

It would be very nice if SHUTTER simply removed you from this site. Your type are not wanted.

Its simple.

If Cooper had wanted to, or needed to jump near Seattle. all he had to do was order the plane back in the air immediately after receipt of the chutes and the money, focus on getting the door open, and jump. The plane had enough fuel to be airborne immediately.

Cooper himself did the exact opposite. Upon delivery of the chutes he issued a long list of brand new instructions which were going to require time to process. He did it himself! That cancelled jumping near Seattle. It also gave time for law enforcement to set up plans for a local area capture which is the last thing he wanted.

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By the way GEORGER, you constantly complain about me making money.

What is it with you and your hate of money? Apparently you don't believe in capitalism. What, is communism more your thing?

STFU troll.

Seriously, if you went over to the Dropzone they could aptly rename it the Trollzone.

You need psychological help!

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Here's a question worth pondering:

What was Cooper's Plan A?

After all, it seems apparent that Cooper had to improvise quite a bit and that his original plan called for jumping near Seattle. Therefore, if he had executed his plan flawlessly, what would that have looked like? More importantly, what does that tell us about him?

Cheers!

Since very few actual facts are known, let’s debate your opinion that Cooper’s original plan called for jumping near Seattle. I find that to be an interesting theory but I don’t see it any more logical or likely than many other’s theories.
Since you like to debate, let’s hear your theory of why you think it was apparent that his original plan was to jump near Seattle !

Kermit, in the now 11 years that I have been on the Cooper thread on DropZone and Shutter's thread, everyone who has examined the evidence seems to have come to the conclusion that Cooper planned to jump as soon as  possible after take off and that would be near Seattle.

Since the evidence and Cooper's actions supporting a jump near Seattle have been discussed at length both here and on DZ, there is no reason to post them here again.  All you have to do is read the posts for yourself.

The jump near Seattle idea is not something that popped up last week.  And we don't have to "debate" everything again for each new poster that turns up on these threads.  Just read the posts.

Robert: Who is everyone?  I've examined the evidence and I believe he jumped pretty much where he wanted to.  I also believe that he was surprised he got as far as he did in the heist, but that he still had a general plan as to where to jump.

I acknowledge at one time I believed he likely wanted to jump as soon as possible, but with the questions still around as to if he wanted the stairs down for takeoff, and if in fact he wanted them down, was it because he wanted an early jump, or was it for a different reason?

I could argue that he wanted to jump soon after takeoff, but I could also argue that he jumped where he wanted.

The one sticky point on jumping after takeoff is "Where does he land?"  Does he land in the city limits (he is south of the city, but it is still the city)? On concrete, on a busy road, near a factory, near a rail yard, on top of an apartment building?  Where do you think he planned to land?

Who is everyone?  Well, you could get a good idea of who everyone is if you bothered to read the posts that predate your arrival here in 2017.  In fact, there was a Cooper thread on DropZone that was started some time prior to the present one which was started in 2008 if I remember correctly.

There was no way on God's Green Earth that Cooper could have known his location to within 20 or 30 miles when he jumped.  He would have to have made a wild guess as to his location.  And he certainly was not dressed for a jump into a mountain or wilderness area.  This little problem with an overcast and several additional cloud layers below the airliner means that Cooper could not see the ground and couldn't know what flight path the airliner was taking.  Then with the airliner's airspeed varying widely during the first 15 minutes or so after taking off, Cooper could not possibly have known its location along any flight path. 

There is no indication whatsoever that Cooper had an assistant in the hijacking.  His fate was determined solely by himself.

For additional information, read the posts both here on Shutter's site and on DropZone.

Robert, spare me the condescending comments.  I've read plenty on the case.  I joined in 2018, not 2017.  You obviously have some time on your hands, so why don't you go back to the posts and compile a list of who thinks he wanted to jump near Seattle, and who thinks he wanted to jump near Vancouver, or somewhere else.  There are about 20-30 people max who study the case now, if you want I can give you a list of names and you can let me know what they all think.  Kermit, me, and Flyjack think he wanted to jump somewhere else than Seattle.  That's three.  Let me know what you find.

You speak in absolutes.  This case does not have a lot of absolutes.  It's almost 50 years old and unsolved, so no one knows for sure.

The whole flight path was what 135 miles? And you don't think he could have known where he was within 30 miles? How often do you fly these days?  Try out taking off and timing a flight from city to city.  I've been doing it ever since I joined here, it's not hard to do between short hops like Seattle to Portland.  Up until a week ago I flew commercial at least once a month, some long trips, but mainly 2 hours or less.

Be angry at someone else.  I speak using facts when I can, and theory/opinion when I can't.  I use observation and deduction.  If you don't like my theories, no problem.

Fcastle, You need to read my post that you quoted just above.  Telling you that you need to read the previous posts on this and the DZ sites does not mean that I am angry with you.  Perhaps you could also pass the word to Kermit and Flyjack about reading previous posts.

You are going to have to do your own research.  I have posted extensively on this matter at least a dozen times over the last decade and I am not going to waste more time doing it again when the information is readily available online.  I am not a member of the Cooper vortex and have a real life with other activities ongoing.

You need to take a good look at a map and determine the true distance between SEATAC and Portland.  It is not the 135 miles that you claim.  Also, you need to check in with the FAA's superb web site and download and read some of their publications related to navigation.  You might find them informative.

I have done my fair share of long flights from point to point in the middle of the night with me being the only person on the aircraft.  That means I must have been able to navigate successfully between those points since here I am writing this post.

There are a handful of "absolutes" in the Cooper matter.  And I have previously discussed them online in case you are interested.   

Well it appears that most people vote for an LZ away from Seattle. How is it that R99 and I are yet again the only two who are correct about this? 

Cooper didn't just jump with the parachute. He also jumped with the dummy reserve and the attache case which I believe were not simply thrown out the back. This necessitates securing these items to his person as well, which takes time.

Additionally, remember that Tina was required to stay in back with him during the take-off and for a few minutes into the flight because he could not convince Scott to depart with the airstairs down. Apparently Cooper felt that securing the bomb to his person in front of Tina was not prudent, therefore he waited, thus delaying his jump even more.

The jump-in-the-outskirts-of-Seattle window came and went very quickly.

Why did Cooper wait even longer to jump? Because he realized that he could not jump into utter blackness. He needed to wait to see the glow of civilization approaching to be assured that he could jump reasonably safely.

Welcome Fcastle and many others who have a clear and open mind. We don’t need to accept other opinions as being factual ! Contrary to some posters opinions, our thoughts
and logic is just as good and perhaps better than those opinions that were made 10, 20, 30, 40 or 48 years ago. Just for the record I joined this forum around 2007 but I was in Portland in 1971. I live there since my folks moved to Portland area in 1946 from Minnesota. I fished and water skied every square mile of the Columbia river from Bonneville dam to Buoy 10 at the mouth of the Columbia river. I drove around Tina Bar in and before 1971 and I drove there just yesterday ! Guess what ? There were 18 wheelers driving around there also! I’m pretty positive Tina Bar is NOT an Island. Also I’ve asked Eric to please explain to me why any person would seriously decide to bury the entire equivalent of $ 1,200,000. Dollars on a public beach which was frequently visited by fisherman on a daily basis. I’m sorry but I fail to find it logical ! He didn’t have any answer a year ago and I’d be very interested in how he explains it today. You see some thoughts are as relevant today as they were 48 years ago ! Welcome aboard all you logical thinkers and no it’s not necessary to always rehash old posts.

I have no issue answering your questions:

Q) Tena Bar is not an island.

A) That is correct, Tena Bar is not an island. Rather it is on what is effectively an island. If you look at a map of the area you will see that the land mass that Tena Bar is located upon is surrounded by water on all sides to the tune of about 25 miles. The lone exception is a land bridge near Vancouver Lake where the road travels. This is critically important because if Cooper walked to Tena Bar he either landed on the "island" or he didn't land on the island. If he didn't land on the island then he would have to get onto the island. And getting onto the island would require that he either cross over some of that 25 miles of surrounding water, or walk several miles up from Vancouver, thereby requiring him to walk several miles back to Vancouver. Again, this is critically important because if he decided to cross over that ring of water somewhere, there is only one possible location he could do this...the River "S" Bridge about 7 miles north of Tena Bar in the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge. Otherwise, he would have to swim. Needless to say, that seems unlikely.

Q) Why would Cooper bury the equivalent of $1.2 million?

A) What choice does he have if he lands in the area? Is he going to walk into town carrying a 20 pound white bank bag full of cash? Again, this is not likely. Cooper would recognize that he has to temporarily stash the ransom so he can walk back to civilization without raising suspicion. Then, I assume he would use a car to retrieve the ransom a day or two later...presumably at night. There is no reasonable rationale whereby Cooper already has the ransom secured in the trunk of his car, then drives to Tena Bar to bury the cash. This is why it is reasonable to assume that Cooper walked to Tena Bar, thereby suggesting that he landed within walking distance of Tena Bar.

Sorry Eric but you can’t answer either question by stating what is clearly your opinions but has no factual relevance ! First off Tina Bar is not surrounded by water and you know it so quit referring to it as an Island. If a 18 wheeler can drive there so can you, I or Dan Cooper ! Also once again you are expressing your opinion that Cooper was actually setting foot on Tina Bar and burying the money on Tina Bar. This opinion is just that .... your opinion. It’s not a fact as many of us share other opinions. If it was a fact, then where’s the proof. Many are right now trying to figure out how the money got there and somehow you know how it got there ! Interesting ?
As to you coming up somehow Cooper must swim to get to Tina Bar, I guess my car and The 18 wheelers I observed must be great swimmers. Of course many and I’d bet good money that most don’t believe Cooper had any reason to go to Tina Bar. However if I had $1,200,000, I wouldn’t dream of burying it on a well visited public beach ! You’ve been there and there are far better places around to hide the money. Besides that is a very large bag to try to hide in wet sand on a public beach. Once again.... logic ! It sounds illogical to me but I’d be interested in other posters opinion.

I feel I have made my points abundantly clear. The rest is up to you.

Will see what Eric’s tests turn up. I agree with G and Kermit on this one doesn’t seem to logical to me. If you wanted to bury the money there are definitely better options. My opinion is cooper had the money in a bag and dropped it off a bridge or boat into the Columbia in the summer of 79.