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georger · « **Reply #210 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:46:34 PM »

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I feel like I have to throw some things out there for discussion.

1 - I can't count the amount of times Larry Carr has said "go by the description and not the sketches." Plus a couple of pages back there Carr is accused of throwing a hoax out there. Did I read that right? Wouldn't he be under a huge amount of DZ scrutiny?

2 - *sigh* Geoffrey Gray did not write an in depth criminal investigation into DB Cooper, he wrote a book (a form of entertainment, granted well researched entertainment) on DB Cooper.

3 - When Earl Cossey said he delivered the chutes, I'm sure he didn't mean he delivered the chutes to Sea-Tac. What exactly is the basis for Cossey being called a liar?

4 - If the Amboy chute had markings, a phone call to Cossey (the FBI, chute expert) would be sufficient to determine if it was Cooper's supplied chutes.

5 - Brown contacts? This thing will never get solved. Instead of increasing the options, why can't we decrease the options?

I feel the heat about to be turned way up here, but (here goes) the DZ needs a little more non-American-paranoid-centric "the FBI, the government, are screwing us over, don't trust anything, conspiracy" in it.

A great post! - Georger

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #211 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:02:42 PM »

Sigh.

georger · « **Reply #212 on:** March 24, 2015, 12:25:05 AM »

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Sigh.

Why?

Olemisscub · « **Reply #213 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:05:59 AM »

Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #214 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:21:46 AM »

"Sigh" means I get exasperated by Rikes' effort to sanitize Cossey. I challenged him on his comments and he has yet to answer me.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #215 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:24:08 AM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

So, OMC, why did the cigarette butts go missing? Just a "Shit Happens" moment in the world's largest LE agency?

Let's turn the conspiracy thing around - if not a conspiracy-influenced investigation, what does the Norjak case tell you about the FBI?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #216 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:32:48 AM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

Let's say a conspiracy-at-work in Norjak is pathetic, OMC.

So, what does a conspiracy actually look like?

Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had to tangle with one? Have you ever been a target of a conspiracy?

Even at the itsy-bitsy local level? Your cops never planted evidence, coerced witnesses, or lied on the witness stand? Did you ever have to clean up a mess at a Sheriff's office? Or hold your nose?

Retired FBI agent Steve Moore has made a famous comment in the Amanda Knox case: "The FBI has a saying, 'We can convict anyone; the innocent just take a little longer.'" Any comment?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #217 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:38:00 AM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

So, OMC, how do you read the behavior of the FBI in the Marla Cooper case? Do you concur that Uncle LD is the "most promising" suspect in Norjak?

If so, any thoughts on why the Bureau dropped Uncle LD and walked away from Marla? If they failed to collect sufficient evidence, don't you think they should have made that determination BEFORE they made such as dramatic announcement?

Or did they just get a little over-excited?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #218 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:46:27 AM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

How would you assess Earl Cossey's role in the DB Cooper case, OMC?

1. An asshole with a big mouth?
2. A guy who just got himself quoted out of context by a bunch of pin-headed reporters?
3. A guy who got caught up in the moment, the bright lights, and FBI agents asking him for his opinions and he started stretching the truth a little?
4. A guy who told one little white lie, which led to another white lie, then to another and another, and after 40 years he told some whoppers?
5. All that skydiving made him nutsy, and why anyone believed him is beyond comprehension!
6. Cossey who? Oh, you mean the rigger? What's he got to do with anything?

georger · « **Reply #219 on:** March 24, 2015, 01:12:55 PM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

So, OMC, why did the cigarette butts go missing? Just a "Shit Happens" moment in the world's largest LE agency?

Let's turn the conspiracy thing around - if not a conspiracy-influenced investigation, what does the Norjak case tell you about the FBI?

Nobody including Carr says they are lost! Lost where?

But more to the point, you don't know, so why say [this or that or another thing]! Why not just say the butts were traded for a bottle of wine, or better yet do a 'Blevins' and claim the butts were lost at Paradise Park after the FBI gave them to Kenny BEFORE THE HIJACK EVEN HAPPENED! Duhhhhhhhh. That would be a hate-based allegory for the mind readers and snake handlers in your audience?

Why not say: "we dn't know'.

MarkBennett · « **Reply #220 on:** March 24, 2015, 03:04:27 PM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

So, OMC, why did the cigarette butts go missing? Just a "Shit Happens" moment in the world's largest LE agency?

Let's turn the conspiracy thing around - if not a conspiracy-influenced investigation, what does the Norjak case tell you about the FBI?

Nobody including Carr says they are lost! Lost where?

But more to the point, you don't know, so why say [this or that or another thing]! Why not just say the butts were traded for a bottle of wine, or better yet do a 'Blevins' and claim the butts were lost at Paradise Park after the FBI gave them to Kenny BEFORE THE HIJACK EVEN HAPPENED! Duhhhhhhhh. That would be a hate-based allegory for the mind readers and snake handlers in your audience?

Why not say: "we dn't know'.

Thanks, Georger.

Some many stories get twisted and people just accept them. I read in Gray's book that the cigarette butts were lost, so I had to check DZ. As usual, you are right. Here is Carr's comment:

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The cigarette butts were never in the Seattle office, they were recovered by the Las Vegas office and sent to Quantico for analysis. After processing they were returned to Las Vegas for storage. So the butts told their story back at the lab, they gave all they could give and could give no more. It's not like they were lost and never processed.

They may still be in Las Vegas for all I know, I can't find the paper work that state the items were disposed of, nor can I find the butts. Alas, another mystery to the mysteries.

georger · « **Reply #221 on:** March 24, 2015, 03:54:06 PM »

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Do people really believe there is some massive coverup with the government actively running interference over a 40 year old skyjacking?

It's sad really. Pathetic actually.

So, OMC, why did the cigarette butts go missing? Just a "Shit Happens" moment in the world's largest LE agency?

Let's turn the conspiracy thing around - if not a conspiracy-influenced investigation, what does the Norjak case tell you about the FBI?

Nobody including Carr says they are lost! Lost where?

But more to the point, you don't know, so why say [this or that or another thing]! Why not just say the butts were traded for a bottle of wine, or better yet do a 'Blevins' and claim the butts were lost at Paradise Park after the FBI gave them to Kenny BEFORE THE HIJACK EVEN HAPPENED! Duhhhhhhhh. That would be a hate-based allegory for the mind readers and snake handlers in your audience?

Why not say: "we dn't know'.

Thanks, Georger.

Some many stories get twisted and people just accept them. I read in Gray's book that the cigarette butts were lost, so I had to check DZ. As usual, you are right. Here is Carr's comment:

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The cigarette butts were never in the Seattle office, they were recovered by the Las Vegas office and sent to Quantico for analysis. After processing they were returned to Las Vegas for storage. So the butts told their story back at the lab, they gave all they could give and could give no more. It's not like they were lost and never processed.

They may still be in Las Vegas for all I know, I can't find the paper work that state the items were disposed of, nor can I find the butts. Alas, another mystery to the mysteries.

The only caveat is, a later dna analysis would be better than the old one - if the butts can be located if they still exist.

Only an FBI search of the paper work can resolve this. The butts were transferred to Quantico for analysis. Quantico could have transferred them back to Las Vegas or to Washington. Las Vegas could have transferred them to Washington or still have them. If they were ever disposed of there would be paper work on that, but one has to question evidence in a major case being disposed of. It is a tangled web.

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #222 on:** March 31, 2015, 12:55:52 PM »

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but... Dropzone is gone...forever!

"sangiro" just shut it down permanently, sighting the bickering of 3 or 4 individuals as the reason for it's demise. It looks like "thedbcooperforum" is now the only game in town.

Robert99 · « **Reply #223 on:** March 31, 2015, 01:08:18 PM »

FLASH - BULLETIN:

SANGIRO HAS LOCKED THE DROPZONE COOPER THREAD!!!!!!!!!!

THIS HAPPENED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

SOMETHING HAS FINALLY GONE RIGHT THERE!

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #224 on:** March 31, 2015, 01:20:13 PM »

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FLASH - BULLETIN:

SANGIRO HAS LOCKED THE DROPZONE COOPER THREAD!!!!!!!!!!

THIS HAPPENED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

SOMETHING HAS FINALLY GONE RIGHT THERE!

Wow, that's a stunning move. A couple of poisonous personalities ran that place into the ground. Dropzone did keep a couple of those wackos busy, and I hope they don't show up over here.

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