At approx. 7:36 the plane takes off. at around 7:40 the flaps are set at 30 degree's. at 7:48 they begin to climb out of the 7,000 hold to 10,000 and switch to 15 degree's.

The troubling factor R99 always pointed out was the 7:40 mark. the plane travels 14 DME miles in 4 minutes and then reports 19 miles DME in 3 minutes. I could never match the first report at 7:40. Hominid always told me not to worry about the 7:40 mark and make the 19 DME mark. the crew never made any statements whether or not that they took off and left the configuration AT 15 degree's and wheels down or took off as normal with wheels up and less flap and more speed. that's the only way they Could get to the first mark of 14 DME by going faster than Cooper requested. they do report "slowing down to about 155" this tells me they did a possible normal takeoff.

This was an old test video when I first started the project. it's the first 4 minutes of the flight. I did a rookie mistake of forgetting to pull back on the throttle from 100% thrust. the engines over heat and start shutting down. it happens right at the end of the 4 minutes..

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Before the FBI came into existence, crooks used to head for the state line where the coppers chasing them had no jurisdiction. Since Yuma is directly on a border with Mexico, where he was asking to go, he may have scouted it out ahead of time.

Or perhaps he just looked it up after seeing the well-known film 3:10 to Yuma, released by Columbia pictures a decade earlier, or heard the re-release of it's title song 3:10 to Yuma in 1967. I don't think it's accurate to say that few people had heard of Yuma.

While we wait on Georger and Tom Kaye to produce some scientific results regarding the Tina Bar money, where can we go from here?

I think at this point we'll get a conclusive answer to the Tina Bar find, the money arrived via dredge in August of 1974.

Is there anymore analysis we can do with the McCrone results from the tie? Are there experiments we can do to help explain how the money go to the dredge location?

Is there anything we can do on the flight path? Or have we dried up all possible investigatory avenues?

Dave has a pretty good short on dredge pumps and the dredging as you enter this site. Just find and follow the links ..

Dont expect any results from Tom or me any time soon. There is much to do ...

Everyone is busy focusing on a sketch of DB and relying on physical description provided by multiple witnesses who clearly do not agree with each other on DB physical description. The mind plays ticks on us and its been proven over and over again but we still go back to rely on a specific description to eliminate suspects. For example, The Infamous Unabomber Sketch on the front cover of the Times Magazine comes to mind. In 1985 a witness got a 3 second glimpse of the Unabomber who left a bomb in computer store parking lot. The next day she spent a few hours with a sketch artist who created a sketch of the Unabomber. Well in 1995 the FBI meet the eye witness from the 1985 sighting and get a new sketch made and it is the infamous sketch seen on Time Magazine on April 25, 1995. However that sketch was actually the witness describing the original sketch artist she spent a few hours with in 1985 and not of the actual unabomber. Even though she was adimant her memory was intact and it was of the unabomber it was later realized she was actually describing the sketch artist. THE MIND PLAYS TRICKS ON US.

Also a more recent case of alledged bank robber in Denver Colorado named Steven Talley. Look up his case. He looks exactly like the man in the bank survillence video and was charged with 2 bank robberies. He professed his innocence dispite having a "doppelganger" caught on surveillance video.However his flimsy alibi (my speculation but if there was more concrete alibi evdience it would of been reported) (one robbery he has a time stamped phone call from his job making a telemarketing call to one customer, and the 2nd robbery he checked in at a food bank at the same time of robbery) evidence in both cases could not be rebutted and the bank teller in the 2nd bank robbery testifed that Steven Talley WAS NOT the same man who robbed the bank and they had the wrong guy. If the FBI can be wrong about a suspect based off actual video video OR in my opinion (he was the bank robber) the teller couldnt even ID the guy who robbered her when she was in court How can anyone eliminate a DB suspect on physical evidence that we all know is inconsistent.

So its hard not to laugh when someone says "Kenny" was only 5'9 and Cooper was 5'10 or Mccoy had protruding ears or Rackstraw was too young or Sheridan had blue eyes and balding.

Besides my theory and I can only claim as my own speculation is that the Cooper description from the multiple witnesses is basically a blend of a few men on board. That is where we get inconsitency about if he was first to board or last or he had his glasses on the whole time or just part of the time or brown or black suit and so on. Please move away from physical description to eliminate a suspect and focus on other things. just had to share.

I could ask you when coming out of a store what people looked like in the line you were in and it will probably be off. now, how good of a description do you think you would get being held hostage for several hours. just sitting there watching the suspect? a step further I would wonder what the description would be if you got out of the the store prior to the hold up and the guy was right behind you?

Sketches can be off, but not always. I watched a program on the Golden State Killer the other day and some of those early sketches were spot on. So I wouldn't put a lot of weight on the sketch, but I wouldn't just assume it isn't accurate either. As Shutter said, the three stews descriptions were pretty close and I'd put a lot of weight on those. Some suspects, and Kenny is a fine example of this, can be eliminated based on several different things.

As usual, I am full of questions!

1, Did anyone see Cooper through a plane window from the outside of the plane?
2. Did the official who went on the plane wanting to talk to Cooper get a glimpse of him?
3. Any witness reports from people waiting to board the plane with Cooper?
4. NWA counter descriptions where Cooper got the ticket?
5. Any tv footage of Cooper, even a glimpse?
6. Anyone get a glimpse of Cooper through their rifle scopes?
7. Were any security cameras filming the parking lot or inside the airport?
8. How large were his hands - any description of his hands/finger nails?
9. (nobody reported large ears in proportion to his head)
10. . . .