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Offline Shutter

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2055 on: December 09, 2018, 12:08:46 AM »
As everyone knows the flaps will cause drag..it's the same for anything coming out of the plane such as the gear. it will slow the plane down but Cooper could of easily told them what speed to fly without having to give specific directions how to achieve a certain speed. the gear would be minimal.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2056 on: December 09, 2018, 12:53:02 AM »
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As everyone knows the flaps will cause drag..it's the same for anything coming out of the plane such as the gear. it will slow the plane down but Cooper could of easily told them what speed to fly without having to give specific directions how to achieve a certain speed. the gear would be minimal.

I think that was Farflung's point. Cooper is being redundant - projecting an image ?  In fact as we know, based on the Transcript, Cooper's final request was non-technical just before jumping - if you accept the 8:13 jump window.

This "technical crap" has overwhelmed this case. 90% of this technical crap has fallen on this case from outsiders posting at forums. [The new Cooper College of Minds, socalled.] If Cooper's actual technical knowledge was limited and simply given to create a pose, like the bomb?, then as Farflung suggests the technical stuff may be irrelevant to a correct profile of the real Cooper. I think that has to be taken seriously. That could very easily include the tie.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2057 on: December 09, 2018, 12:56:54 AM »
I've always thought it would of been rather easy to get this information. he probably could walk right into a hanger and ask.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2058 on: December 09, 2018, 01:01:49 AM »
In 1971 the tie wouldn't be a threat evidence wise. I think he left it knowing they couldn't really do anything with it. even today it still doesn't get us any closer.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2059 on: December 09, 2018, 01:02:14 AM »
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I've always thought it would of been rather easy to get this information. he probably could walk right into a hanger and ask.

Put yourself in the position of the crew - what do you do? Whose instructions do you follow? The people on the grodund even forgot to send the knapsack!  :congrats:  I find that almost hilarious.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2060 on: December 09, 2018, 01:06:05 AM »
The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said go no faster than 170
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2061 on: December 09, 2018, 01:06:42 AM »
The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2062 on: December 09, 2018, 01:09:54 AM »
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In 1971 the ties wouldn't be a threat evidence wise. I think he left it knowing they couldn't really do anything with it. even today it still doesn't get us any closer.

I tend to disagree. I think a forensic anthropologist or criminalist with a good lab would disagree. This was the era in which criminal lab analysis was coming into its own ... demanding raises in budgets. Although dna analysis was not fully perfected serologic testing was developing daily by leaps and bounds. I know - I was there! Computer analysis and sharing was coming into its own. If Cooper had any idea he would outrun lab analysis, he was making a huge gamble. He might have been counting more on agencies to make clerical errors and dump or lose actual evidence!   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2063 on: December 09, 2018, 01:10:14 AM »
This would give him insurance on the speed by giving his configurations...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2064 on: December 09, 2018, 01:11:20 AM »
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The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.

According to the Transcript his last instruction is merely: 'slow and stabilize the plane'. That isnt very technical!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2065 on: December 09, 2018, 01:13:40 AM »
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The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.

According to the Transcript his last instruction is merely: 'slow and stabilize the plane'. That isnt very technical!

where is that mentioned, not the radio transcripts?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2066 on: December 09, 2018, 01:14:24 AM »
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The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.

According to the Transcript his last instruction is merely: 'slow and stabilize the plane'. That isnt very technical!

where is that mentioned, not the radio transcripts?

I will find it and post it -
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2067 on: December 09, 2018, 01:46:53 AM »
I always took Cooper to have been a poser. Cooper was very specific when he didn't have to be. If I had to guess, I'd say he data mined a pilot or two a few days before the hijacking for specs and remembered them for the occasion.

There was a guy mentioned in the Geoffrey Gray 302s who pretended to be a screenwriter and was asking the pilots of a California flight how to drop something from an airplane with a beacon in it and retrieve it later. They reported it to the FBI after Norjack.

I can tell you that Chevrolet made V-8 small block engines in 267, 283, 327, 350, 383 and 400 cubic inch varieties, but I couldn't fix one to save my life. I memorized it all to serve a purpose - to sound cool in study hall when surrounded by gearheads and girls with big hair.

Poser. That's my guess.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2068 on: December 09, 2018, 02:49:31 AM »
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I always took Cooper to have been a poser. Cooper was very specific when he didn't have to be. If I had to guess, I'd say he data mined a pilot or two a few days before the hijacking for specs and remembered them for the occasion.

There was a guy mentioned in the Geoffrey Gray 302s who pretended to be a screenwriter and was asking the pilots of a California flight how to drop something from an airplane with a beacon in it and retrieve it later. They reported it to the FBI after Norjack.

I can tell you that Chevrolet made V-8 small block engines in 267, 283, 327, 350, 383 and 400 cubic inch varieties, but I couldn't fix one to save my life. I memorized it all to serve a purpose - to sound cool in study hall when surrounded by gearheads and girls with big hair.

Poser. That's my guess.

Thats a nice post! specially the last part!! Chuckling...  :rofl:

Let's see: I had my nerd-physics pose, my sports jock pose, my country guy pose, my hot rod pose, my cycle pose, my family pose, my rich kid pose, my poor kid pose, church pose, Superintendent grandson's pose,  ... the list goes on! I love it.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2069 on: December 09, 2018, 05:05:12 AM »
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The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.

According to the Transcript his last instruction is merely: 'slow and stabilize the plane'. That isnt very technical!

where is that mentioned, not the radio transcripts?

well you are right - it is not in the Transcript as originally thought.  I guess its in one of the other interviews or something. Or maybe Im dreaming it at this point! This is becoming very tedious with a lot to keep track of.
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